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DAY FOUR - SEAN PENN IN IRAN
SF Gate ^ | Thursday, August 25, 2005 | SEAN PENN

Posted on 08/24/2005 11:52:52 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

The demonstration was to begin at 5 p.m. I wanted to refresh a bit, so I took a shower at the hotel and began to dress when, at about 4:30 p.m., my companions Reese Erlich, Norman Solomon and Babak knocked on my door. They'd gotten an update. What had been anticipated as likely violence the evening before was now considered certain. This is a guilty admission, but when you have come to a place that is unfamiliar, with the intention of gaining a familiarity, absolutely nothing is more seductive than to see its darkest sides. I am an optimist. I can always look up. But to see down is to be down. We headed down to the demonstration.

As we approached Tehran University, traffic slowed to a stop. It was hot in the car. And sweaty. I could see people on overlooking apartment balconies, pointing in the direction of the demonstration and then retreating inside. The closer we got, the louder the volume of the couple of thousand people before us. The singing of the demonstrators, the honking of horns, the heckling of the crowd were rising. I was taping through the windshield as we approached. A traffic light came into my viewfinder and turned to red. At this point, rather than stay car-bound, I suggested we walk into the demonstration on foot.

People were being pushed, tempers were rising, but for the moment, we could see that the demonstrators had not yet been dispersed. There were uniformed police, yelling in threatening tones, and I was taping as I walked. I zoomed through the crowd catching several close images of some of the 100 female demonstrators. Women were prepared to take a baton across the head or more as the cost of speaking out.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: freedom; iran; loser; penn; seanpenn; seanpennistan; spicoli; women
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1 posted on 08/24/2005 11:52:52 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: DoctorZIn; McGavin999; freedom44; nuconvert; sionnsar; AdmSmith; parisa; onyx; Pro-Bush; Valin; ...

DAY IV PING!


2 posted on 08/24/2005 11:54:38 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

The last time Sean Penn was anywhere, weeks later we bombed the tar out of Iraq. This is a good sign!!


3 posted on 08/25/2005 12:01:43 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: F14 Pilot
Duh, whats Iran?
4 posted on 08/25/2005 12:07:13 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: F14 Pilot

But what about the all-important update on that day's bowel and bladder activity?


5 posted on 08/25/2005 12:08:29 AM PDT by omniscient
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The last time Sean Penn was anywhere, weeks later we bombed the tar out of Iraq. This is a good sign!!

Where have I heard that before? Oh yes... on just about every one of the other posts about Sean Penn's articles and references to his trip to Iran going back to June.

Can't you come up with something that is only half-way original?

It does seem to me that your oh so predictable rhetoric has nothing truly significant to bite upon - at least as far as Sean's articles are concerned.

In this particular article he shares his experience within this womens protest... and does it very well.

In case you missed it on a prior post... here is a link to a video I produced about this womens protest.

My point here is that by keeping to your safe/blinkered view of the "axis of evil", you are doing a great disservice to the many good people who are in Iran.

Find another way.
6 posted on 08/25/2005 12:16:17 AM PDT by liamkennedy (www.AstronomyWithoutBorders.com)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Trashcanistan should be glassparkinglotistan.

So you believe we can solve every problem in the world by dropping an MOAB?

8 posted on 08/25/2005 12:43:31 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: liamkennedy

Here is some more "news" from MEMRI


The Middle East Media Research Institute
8/19/2005 Clip No. 818
Iranian Leader Khamenei in a Tehran Friday Sermon: US Responsible for Terrorism; Palestinian Issue Should Be Solved by Referendum among 'Original' Palestinians; Iranians May Build Nuclear Plant in the Foreseeable Future

The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon at Tehran University by Iranian Leader Ali Khamenei, which aired on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on August 19, 2005.

Khamenei: The killing of innocent people is a great crime, regardless of who the perpetrator may be. The American machine-gun slaughtering Iraqis is criminal, just like those who plant bombs and blow up populated centers are criminals. The killing of people - babies, women, and men... Obviously, the first to be accused, as far as we're concerned, is America.

Crowd: Death to America. Death to America. Death to America. Death to America. Death to America.

Khamenei: The first to be accused in these incidents is America. How come? Because the American terrorism... I mean, Iraqi terrorism is taking place right before America's eyes. Thousands of American troops, intelligence and security personnel, and political forces are deployed throughout Iraq. If they only wanted to resolve the lack of security in Iraq, they could do so. Some believe - and there are indications for this - that these acts of terrorism are the handiwork of the American and Zionist espionage services. This should not be ruled out. There are indications for this. Why? Because they don't want (the Iraqi) government to succeed. The lack of security is their pretext to continue the occupation.

[...]

The Americans accuse Iran and Syria of letting terrorists and explosives enter Iraq from their borders. They constantly repeat these foolish and meaningless statements. Security is in their hands. Security is right before their eyes. Who in the entire world does not know that the terrorist groups, in whose name terrorist acts are carried out in Iraq, were partly created by America, and some others are influenced by America?

[...]

They are responsible. They are to blame. The terrorists operate before their own eyes. We have information. This is not mere speculation. This is actual information. On parts of the Iraqi borders, the terrorists move from place to place before the eyes of the Americans, and possibly with their assistance. This happens. And then they falsely accuse Iran and Syria.

[...]

The Palestinian issue has one solution, which we proposed a few years ago. There must be a referendum among the original Palestinians - whether in Palestine, the refugee camps, or in other countries, and whether Muslims, Jews, or Christians. It doesn't matter, as long as they are Palestinians. A referendum must be held among them to establish the government that they want - whether it is a Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or mixed government. This government will be acceptable if it is established by Palestinian votes. This will resolve the Palestinian issue.

[...]

The Europeans should not talk as if we owe them anything. This isn't the 19th century! The Iranian people is no longer the people that was ruled by an English or American-appointed regime, and which had no choice but to accept what they said. Absolutely not. Today, the Islamic Republic regime relies on 70 million people. Today, the Iranian people, government, and senior officials sense the stability of a mountain within themselves. We fear no one. We always have the power and the ability to defend our rights. We will not relinquish these rights. The people's rights are non-negotiable.

Crowd: Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Khamenei is the leader. Death to those who reject the rule of the jurisprudent. Death to America. Death to England. Death to the hypocrites (Mojahedin-e Khalq) and Saddam. Death to Israel.

[...]

Khamenei: Allah willing, in the foreseeable future, this people, and our young generation, will build a nuclear power plant by themselves.

Crowd: Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar. Khamenei is the leader. Death to those who reject the rule of the jurisprudent. Death to America. Death to England.


9 posted on 08/25/2005 12:46:00 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: axes_of_weezles
My point here is that views of hatred for Iran, as have been displayed by many in this thread and other related ones, show such a single-threaded black-and-white view of the problem that removes any possibility of dialog with the people of Iran.

Where CAN you (Iranians) go when someone says "lets make a glass parking lot of your country"?

They have not exactly done stuff that would (in my book) deserve that sort of treatment. Especially not the vast majority of the 70 million people - around 75% of whom are below the age of 30 - and hold GREAT promise for future change. I simply cannot ascribe to this oh so easy view of yours "guilty by association". Surely you cannot REALLY TRUTHFULLY believe your own words?

Give them a chance. Things ARE changing. Slowly yes... not to "Our" timetable maybe... but things will change... for the better. In the end it may still not be our style of government... but hell... look at Iraq... what sort of government and constitution do YOU think is going to be the result of the WAR over there? It seems pretty likely it will be a government with a highly nonsecular Islamic structure. I doubt that was what Bush wanted... but that is likely what he'll get. $400 Billion for that?

I think we can spend a lot less on different "approaches" to the problem with Iran and end up with a far better result than we have in Iraq.

It may seem nice to lob bombs at everyone we disagree with... but come on... try harder will ya!
10 posted on 08/25/2005 12:50:31 AM PDT by liamkennedy (www.AstronomyWithoutBorders.com)
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To: F14 Pilot

Moabs on military targets make more sense than a ground invasion any day.
As I said in the previously deleted post. The Iranians need to take care of the problem before we do.


11 posted on 08/25/2005 12:50:43 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: axes_of_weezles

You are mixing the innocent people of IRAN with their stupid government.

The regime of Iran today has its own people as hostage!

Moreover, Iranian people are doing whatever they can to tell us that they are tired of this mad regime.


12 posted on 08/25/2005 12:54:51 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: liamkennedy

I wonder what you will say if an Iranian nuke goes off in, say
Israel, or the Vatican. They have the missiles and the range now.

How long do we wait?

Until a suitcase nuke in a major city or a missile is launched from a freighter 1500 to 1600 miles offshore at the continental US?


13 posted on 08/25/2005 12:56:32 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Hopefully he'll still be there this time.


14 posted on 08/25/2005 12:56:48 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: omniscient
what about the all-important update on that day's bowel and bladder activity?

Believe me... this aspect of travel to Iran IS a very important part of the "experience". Not least the fact that while most public places have the dreaded "hole in the floor" style of "facilities"... but that when you go into Iranian peoples homes they all have what are called "western style" bathrooms... with all the usual "comforts" WE might expect (and a few that we don't... like the bidet).

Also most hotels supply at least some of the rooms with "western style" facilities. So... all the comforts of home... even in your Iranian hotel room. Who would have thunk hah?).

It's quite a fun and amusing part of it all really and if Sean had not mentioned this part of the experience... I would have doubted whether he had actually been there!!
15 posted on 08/25/2005 1:00:47 AM PDT by liamkennedy (www.AstronomyWithoutBorders.com)
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To: axes_of_weezles
I wonder what you will say if an Iranian nuke goes off in, say Israel, or the Vatican. They have the missiles and the range now.

And exactly whose intelligence will you expect the American people will believe when this sort of suggestion is made officially by the US Government?

I tell you... THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.

The Iranians (even the Mullahs) are not THAT DUMB.

Currently what goes on is the USA declares Iran "Axis of Evil". Iran says "Death to America". Seems fair to me. And no... I do not mean America deserves to "Die"... i simply say that from a political "grandstanding" point of view... we are getting as good as we are giving.

BUT - remember this - the VAST VAST majority of Iranians are thoroughly embarrassed and are against the "Death to America" rhetoric. They want nothing of it. And.. despite what you may think... a great number of Iranians - while they may be "Muslim"... practice a very personal approach to their beliefs... and many do not even go to their Mosques.

And in case you are wondering... no I am not a "peacenic". I believe now we have been suckered into Iraq... we have GOT to stick it out and leave the place is some semblance of "stability". I also believe there are times when extreme measures/bombings ARE NECESSARY (Afghanistan for instance).
16 posted on 08/25/2005 1:14:32 AM PDT by liamkennedy (www.AstronomyWithoutBorders.com)
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To: liamkennedy
Where have I heard that before? Oh yes... on just about every one of the other posts about Sean Penn's articles and references to his trip to Iran going back to June.

Cite an example.

If you honestly want to know what I think, Sean Penn is irrelevant, pure and simple. He's just a tool for the left to show everyone that "Oh, we [the left] do care!". 50 million people could be slaughtered in this world under a Democratic president, and Sean Penn would be sitting on his thumbs.

17 posted on 08/25/2005 1:34:10 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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Here are a couple of example (to keep you going)

Every country he visits we attack........so far he is one for one. (post #8 by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN)

and

"Wait - he was in Iraq, and then we attacked Iraq. Now he's in Iran...figure out, people - he's a scout!" Post #14 by Tennessee_Bob

Want more? I can give you more.... if you need further convincing (I don't)

Sean Penn is as relevant as I am, as you are. I went to Iran.. and experienced things just like he did (well... I didn't quote get to interview a Mullah)... but I experienced a lot of what he did... and more (I was there three weeks to his one).

Just because he is a wealthy successful actor does not mean his views are any less poignant than yours or mine. At least he took the trouble to go there... and yes... despite what you may think... he did so even knowing there was a potential risk to him being there.
18 posted on 08/25/2005 1:47:14 AM PDT by liamkennedy (www.AstronomyWithoutBorders.com)
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To: liamkennedy
I don't care what he says or does, it's all an act. I guess since his acting career is in the crapper, he's got more time to do things such as this.

I never did see the moral outrage from the left when their guy Bill Clinton was bombing Baghdad for four days and nights, to distract you and me and everyone else from the Monica Lewinsky fiasco.

Bush makes it clear he's had enough of the UN fudging around, and he's going to free 25 million people living under the oppressive thumb of Saddam Hussein, and Sean Penn decides he's going on a field trip of Iraq.

Whatever.

19 posted on 08/25/2005 1:59:52 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
And another one... this time on a much earlier thread created while he was there in June.

"If I was Iranian, I'd be scared, the last time Sean showed up in the neighborhood, we invaded." (Post #9 by swarthyguy)

Want more? There are still more... all saying the same darned thing.
20 posted on 08/25/2005 2:00:10 AM PDT by liamkennedy (www.AstronomyWithoutBorders.com)
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