The Strange Mentality of DU Trolls

September 10 | pcottraux

[pcottraux]

You know 'em, you love 'em. Just about all of us have clashed with 'em at times. What's more, it's fun to bust and get rid of them, and that helps make FR even more exciting.

But why do they do it? Why do liberals--and they're usually far-left ones--come here and put on phony screen names so they can "infiltrate" this right-wing forum? They seem to have a tendency to make outrageous statements that get them busted the same day they join. What are they trying to accomplish?

Just yesterday, after one of them made an obvious statement, I caught onto him. He started making insane left-wing rants, before I reported him, and he vanished. It was fun to imagine the little wuss screaming in pain as he was busted and yanked. After he was gone, and all his comments replaced by “Comment Removed” messages, I made a statement on the stupidity of these people, blowing their own cover right after they join. What kind of espionage is that?

But then, ANOTHER one came in, and had this to say before he, too, was yanked:

“Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’ that they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them. Gosh, they are so silly!”

Fortunately, this troll is also no longer with us, at least not under the same screen name. But upon reading his statement here, a realization comes. THAT’S IT! This comment helps get to the heart of the DU trolls’ mindset, and exactly what it is they’re doing—or trying to do. Hopefully, some of them here will read this, and realize how futile their efforts are.

Basically, DU trolls like the one who made the above statement are classic examples of people suffering what I call LNM, or Liberal Narcissistic Martyrdom. This is a common mental ailment of left-wingers. In essence, it involves a self-image of being a “heroic rebel against the system” who “dares to stand up for what they believe in.” In an egotistical way, they envision themselves as “underdogs” who are in a perpetual state of “standing up to fight the corporate system.” They are ALWAYS standing up against this system, or some proverbial system.

Michael Moore, or at least the public image he makes of himself, is a classic example of this. Actually, one of the best examples I can think of is famed hippy doctor Patch Adams. His movie about himself, starring Robin Williams, is a complete show of just what an egotistical blowhard a liberal can be when he envisions himself “standing up to fight the system” at all times, under all circumstances. I assume that “Patch Adams” is a favorite movie among sufferers of LNM, because it is exactly how they fantasize their own lives being.

Look at the statement the DU troll made. “Yeah, those trolls are seriously brain dead. They are so caught up in that so-called ‘freedom of speech thing’…” Here, he/she/it is showing the biggest symptom of LNM…the conviction that one’s freedom of speech is being taken away, when it is not. Liberals are caught up in their first amendment rights—they’re not caught up in any other constitutional rights, like the right to bear arms, but they love that first one. And many of them, especially those with LNM, are convinced that that sacred right is going to be taken away from them when “America descends into a dictatorship.” They think Bush is Hitler, and those of us on FR are Nazis. Therefore, they think a totalitarian government is going to steal their first amendment rights. Never mind that as left-wingers, they are campaigning for more power to the government, anyway.

And that, my friends, is why these people come here under various guises. They WANT their freedom of speech taken. It gives them a Martyr Ego Boost. They crave it. So they come here, put in a phony screen name, and start spouting left-wing doctrines. As this clown sarcastically put it: “they don't know how to watch what they say when talking to us Republicans that are able to remove their thoughts when we disagree with them.” See what I mean? They seek PROOF that they’re losing their free speech, so when they get yanked from this site, it makes them feel like righteous martyrs. They get the Martyr Rush. It’s almost like drug addiction.

They’ve lived comfortably in America their whole lives, considering their dissent to show how righteous they are, and any criticism of that dissent is seen as “freedom being lost.”

The problem is that FreeRepublic.com is not a debate forum, at least not for right vs. left. There are other web forums for that. FR is a right-wing/grassroots conservatism forum. If we let one liberal stay here and debate us, then we have to let them all. Then, this is no longer a right-wing forum. So their thesis that “Republicans and Conservatives are eliminating people who disagree with them” is pretty much a dead point.

Of course, these wienies don’t know the meaning of losing free speech. They’ve never lived under a communist regime before. They should go over to North Korea and live under Kim Jong Il’s iron grip awhile. When their hands are cut off for speaking out against the government, or their tongues gouged out, or they’re skinned alive…then they’ll know what it REALLY means to lose freedom. I’ll bet the typical sufferer of LNM couldn’t stand five minutes of what Saddam Hussein’s victims had to endure. They’d come running back to the American Bush “dictatorship,” crying like babies, for sure.

[Mr. Silverback]

I think you're 100% dead on. The local peace group was obsessed with the idea that I was trying to "suppress" them because I stood with a sign outside the church where they met. They are certain they are holding back the Nazi tide, and are quite paranoid.

[marty60]

Why? They hate in the most vicral way any Conserv, Repub, or independent thinker (other than the Commie/fascist/socialist/Dum party line). anyone that does follow their pathetic immAture, ignorant thought process must be silenced. and like any childish mentyality they like to play DUM a** games. Reality Bites dont you know.

[Aquinasfan]

Basically, DU trolls like the one who made the above statement are classic examples of people suffering what I call LNM, or Liberal Narcissistic Martyrdom. This is a common mental ailment of left-wingers. In essence, it involves a self-image of being a “heroic rebel against the system” who “dares to stand up for what they believe in.” In an egotistical way, they envision themselves as “underdogs” who are in a perpetual state of “standing up to fight the corporate system.” They are ALWAYS standing up against this system, or some proverbial system.

I think you're onto something. What also contributes to this is the fact that they rebel against all moral authorities that challenge their vices. This spills over into rebellion against all other authorities. Yet they are the most dogmatic moralists when it comes to their PC religion.

[Mr. Silverback]

Just an inquiry-have any trolls posted so much to FR that they themselves moved to the light? Just wondering.

The short answer is "No."

I would like to note that there is a troll named "MurryMom" who has been here since 1998. She claims to be a conservative, but has described Bill Clinton as the best president in her lifetime. In fact, the only difference between her posts and dU is that she doesn't use a lot of vulgarity. JimRob apparently keeps her around to make people's hair stand on end and remind them of the hate we're up against.

Of course, she hasn't been seen since I called her out recently. Hey, missy, when are you going to provide that data I asked for?

[golas1964]

That boy is about as sharp as a bowlin' ball.

[Mr. Silverback]

There are many liberal/libertarians who particpate in this forum who aren't trolls and aren't prevented from posting or debating...I have no problem with liberals participating in a thoughtful discussion of issues.

I don't have a problem with such libs either, but I'm not aware of any such liberals on FR. Plenty of libertarians fit that description, but the only liberal I know of here is MurryMom and she certainly does not discuss anything with thoughtfulness or courtesy.

[Mr. Silverback]

Few liberals, save Juan Williams, have anything of substance to offer in debate. Just a thought.

Actually, Juan has become really disappointing lately. He's turned into the DNC talking point machine. Now, if you want to set up a debate with Mara Liasson or Ceci Connelly, I'm there.

[Grizzled Bear]

Great post pcottraux! The problem is too many people see their rights but not the responsibilities that come with them.

We are guaranteed our right to keep and bear arms (at least we still have it in most cities). Along with this right you are expected to handle your weapons responsibly.

You have the right to freedom of speech. Just like with the right to keep and bear arms, you will have consequences for "shooting off your mouth."

They don't seem to comprehend we are visitors in Jim's home when we post here. If you come into my house and start trouble by spouting obscenities, abuse and filth I will bounce you out the door just like the moderators will zap you off the site.

Why don't people understand that you shouldn't let your mouth write checks that your butt can't cover?

[Mr. Silverback]

In the case of DUers, I would say that they're trying to show that they're so much smarter than we are. That's what they believe.

Though I agree with pcottraux's analysis wholeheartedly, I think you're dead on as well. No matter how many "DUers are stupid" jokes we might make over here, I'd say there's not a single conservative who believes that all (or even most) liberals are lacking in intellectual capacity. However, in my experience the vast majority of libs think that conservatives are conservatives because we're dumb or uneducated. Being a troll is the attempt by some of them to let a little illumination into our benighted lives.

[Mr. Silverback]

The subject of "why do the lefties think the way they do" is endlessly fascinating.

BTW, have you ever noticed that when liberals engage in the same exercise in regards to us, they are never even close? "They think that way because their pastor tells them to" or some crap like that...We might be wrong about them, but at least we are basing our assessments on their behavior rather than a batch of prejudices. Conversely, I'm sure any person at DU who said "Conservatives think that way because they're good people who love their country but see things from a different point of view" would be shown the door within five minutes.

[mewzilla]

Hee hee! That's a terrific collection!

[shield]

LOL

[null and void]

sorry about the vanity. I'm still learning.

Don't be. I liked it.

[null and void]

This remeinds me of a Churchill quote: "A fanatic is one who won't change his mind and won't change the subject."

Excellent! I think I'll replace my Christmas themed tagline with that after "The Holidays" are over...

[Mr. Silverback]

As an example though, the initial message was about a mother who had lost her son in Iraq and she wanted to embarass President Bush by demanding he meet with her to answer her asinine questions...Her initial message became more and more diluted and as proved here on FR, she wasn't the simple, grieving mother who wanted answers to her questions.

No, she never was that person. Cindy has been a Marxist nut for years. She accused the President of stealing the 2004 election, and she made public statements declaring that America is not a country worth dying for, and that it consists of a 200 year conspiracy to murder millions. In an interview with a CBS reporter on the freakin bus ride to Crawford, she described the Al Qaeda terrorists coming into Iraq as "freedom fighters." She is not a mourning Mom misused by the moonbats, she is an admitted enemy of this nation. If you doubt me, google her name and San francisco State, you should be able to find the "not worth dying for" transcript, and there's enough crap in that speech for ten America-haters.

[JoJo Gunn]

Those old WB cartoons were the best, hands down.

Merry Christmas!

[backhoe]

Merry Christmas, mewzilla-- that's my complete file of troll ( and disruptor ) related graphics. I particularly like the UFO zooming away with the happy face.

[null and void]

You mean like the little quotes that follow the person's screenname?

I haven't figured out how to do that yet.

There's a little box right under the one that you post your comment in, above the Spell button. Plain text only Taglines don't do HTML

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[mewzilla]

LOL. I do, too. Merry Christmas, backhoe.

[Mr. Silverback]

Well they call us NAZIs, there has to be a reason for this.

If I called you a child molester right now, would you walk away from the computer and wonder if you really do like screwing little boys, because "There has to be a reason" I called you that name?

The modern left deals in hate and fear. That's why they call us Nazis. As far as I know, the association between white supremacists and conservatives is zero.