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The ACLU's war on religion
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 9/22/2005 | Alan Sears

Posted on 09/22/2005 10:17:45 AM PDT by inkling

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1 posted on 09/22/2005 10:17:52 AM PDT by inkling
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
In another alarming example, the ACLU joined a suit against Catholic Charities, demanding that the organization provide contraception coverage in any group prescription-drug program offered to its employees. Since the teachings of the Catholic Church prohibit the use of such contraceptives, the ACLU was demanding that the state force the group to violate the tenets of its founding faith.

Sadly, the Supreme Court of California agreed with the ACLU's reasoning that since Catholic Charities employs and ministers to non-Catholics, it was not allowed to faithfully follow Catholic doctrine. Another ACLU body blow designed to subvert religious freedom.

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2 posted on 09/22/2005 10:22:58 AM PDT by NYer
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To: inkling
"They believe that they answer to a higher power, in my opinion, which is the kind of thinking that you had with the people who flew the airplanes into the buildings in this country, and the people who did the kind of things in London."

The old Christians = islamic terrorists because they all believe in some kind of religion argument.

For a comparison:

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It is a nice sounding theory that when you separate the Christian Church from the state, you get stability, but it does not pass the common sense test.

For instance, I know it is the first words out of any atheist mouth when you try to talk with them about Jesus, “Explain the Inquisition," and “Look how evil the church was!" and "Look what they did in the name of Jesus!"

It is true that about 500 years ago, Christian fanatics killed about 10,000 people over a 100 year time period (about 100/year) in the name of the Roman Catholic church. It is a shame on the record of an organization that claims to be promoting the ministry of Christ.

Now compare this record to the example of the countries that have officially done away with religion. To the countries that have outright banned religion and imprisoned those who try to practice it (the ultimate test of the theory of separation of church and state).

Yes, I am talking about Communist countries. In the Communist Manifesto, Engel and Marx declared, "Communism abolishes all religion." In my father's lifetime, the numbers of people that officially atheist countries have murdered in the name of no-religion is staggering; the USSR slaughtered 20 million, China slaughtered 10 million, Communist Cambodia slaughtered 2 million, Communist North Korea has/continues to murder untold numbers, Communist Cuba has/continues to murder untold numbers, the list goes on.

The grand total is at least over 50 million dead in the last 80-year time span (over 600,000/year). Even comparing the worst time of "Christian Persecution" to an average time of a just one country that has officially and forcefully separated church and state, the conclusion is obvious: Christianity has a huge calming influence on government.

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3 posted on 09/22/2005 10:24:14 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: inkling
An ACLU paralegal "discovered" the three-decades-old plaques and e-mailed the National Park Service to demand an explanation. This simple correspondence so rattled the Park Service that they removed the plaques without a legal fight.

The same National Park Service that is fighting to keep the crescent memorial?

4 posted on 09/22/2005 10:24:17 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: inkling

Ironically, the ACLU's war on chr*stianity (which is based on a cult of "otherness" and not on Judaism) is always interpreted by the "palaeos" as an essentially "Talmudic" campaign being coordinated by aged pious Chassidic rabbis, even though the ACLU has spent four years defending Arabs and moslems and regards the Israeli flag as an instrument of torture.


5 posted on 09/22/2005 10:27:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo-ya`avdukh yo'vedu!)
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To: 2banana

"They believe that they answer to a higher power, in my opinion, which is the kind of thinking that you had with the people who flew the airplanes into the buildings in this country, and the people who did the kind of things in London"


Our founders cited belief in a higher power as reason for founding our country...it was seen as religious duty to defy tyrranny that would keep the people from folling their God!


6 posted on 09/22/2005 10:28:04 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Even when a dog discovers he is barking up a wrong tree, he can still take a leak on it!)
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To: inkling
The ACLU are worshipers of death and are to be opposed at every opportunity.
7 posted on 09/22/2005 10:36:06 AM PDT by A message (The Democrat party platform is NOT in the mainstream. It is just foolish.)
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Ping for the list


8 posted on 09/22/2005 10:37:50 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: NYer
Sadly, the Supreme Court of California agreed with the ACLU's reasoning that since Catholic Charities employs and ministers to non-Catholics, it was not allowed to faithfully follow Catholic doctrine. Another ACLU body blow designed to subvert religious freedom.

Reminds me of what happened in Louisville, Kentucky a few years ago. A proposed gay rights (employment protection) ordinance was going to be introduced in the city, once again. Its opponents argued that this afforded special, unneeded protection for gays and lesbians; its proponents referred to it as the "fairness" ordinance. Not long before the vote, a woman who worked for a local Baptist charity organization was outed as a lesbian. The Baptist charity fired her, saying that her sexuality was incompatible with their moral beliefs. As it happens, this charity operated under city contracts. The resulting controversy led to the passage of the gay rights ordinance. Ironically, the ordinance included a provision allowing religious organizations to discriminate on the basis of sexuality -- so the lesbian that had been fired wouldn't have been protected by the ordinance.

9 posted on 09/22/2005 10:41:56 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: inkling
My tagline used to say:
"If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson
BINGO!! If you follow these lawsuits it is always some leftist judge that agrees with the ACLU. This truly is
All About The Judges
Looks like Judge Roberts will be confirmed. Need need another strong conservative to replace Sandy and then, maybe, we can start taking our country back from the commies.
10 posted on 09/22/2005 11:08:14 AM PDT by upchuck (A fireman running up the stairs at the WTC as the towers began to collapse: HERO defined ~ Ben Stein)
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We can't take it back if we are unwilling to fight for it. Can't have our sons and daughters do all the dirty work in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, etc., while we whine and moan. Time to fight folks--past time.


11 posted on 09/22/2005 11:56:36 AM PDT by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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later read/ping.


12 posted on 09/22/2005 12:14:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: 2banana

Great analysis. I'll remember to use this in my arguments! Thanks for that! :D


13 posted on 09/22/2005 12:20:05 PM PDT by BamaGirl
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To: inkling
The ACLU, from its creation onward, has been dedicated to undermining the foundations of our society and way of life. It was founded by Fabian Socialists--with several actual Communists on board--precisely for that purpose.

See Leftwing Word Games & Religious Freedom.

William Flax

14 posted on 09/22/2005 1:24:23 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: 2banana
It goes further than that. Ferdinand and Isabella actively petitioned the Pope to have control over the inquisition in their country, Spain. The Pope finally allowed warning that the use of torture and the level of punishment was no greater than in the current church doctrine.

Of course the inquisitor's now controlled by and answering to the Spanish royalty wasted no time in ignoring the Pope's warning. You could say that while religion played a part, the church did not. It was religion in the hands of the rulers that allowed a lot of it. Though don't mention the same things happening to Protestants and Catholics in other areas, say Britain for instance. The concentrated power of religion in the hands of the top level of national government was what the founding fathers were against in the first amendment.
15 posted on 09/22/2005 6:06:37 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (DU, more toxic than New Orleans water.)
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To: inkling
Here is an excellent reference for proving that our Founding Fathers were indeed Christians. If you home school, you may want to book mark this.

Library of Congress; Religion and the Founding of the American Republic
16 posted on 09/22/2005 6:13:28 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: inkling

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17 posted on 09/22/2005 6:48:07 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: NYer
The ACLU's destructive assault on the religious heritage of this nation must be challenged – and vigorously. We as a people must stand our ground to protect our constitutionally guaranteed right to freely practice our religion in public and private.
18 posted on 09/22/2005 7:32:10 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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19 posted on 09/23/2005 6:13:48 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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20 posted on 09/26/2005 5:26:14 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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