Posted on 10/16/2005 11:02:43 AM PDT by MizSterious
"In stress and even in times of relaxation, these non American grammatical patterns pop out."
The thought entered my mind to look up an online translation site and try different ways of saying, in English, "I'm going to end my life" or "I'm going to kill myself," and run it through Punjabi (Cheema was reportedly a Punjabi surname), and then back to English to see what popped out. When Babelfish was new, it was popular to make a sort of game out of this, to run phrases to other languages and back to English repeatedly, to see what sort of funny end result you could eventually get.
Trouble is, there are no free sites that offer this language. Not that I could find, at least.
References to library and the news.
She smelled of troll and yet used very good English with variations that we don't use here. Most trolls post with terrible English. I can't remember exactly what triggered it.
I have a Scottish Spey Fisher acquaintance. His favorite comment about the differences between the Scottish and American use of English is: "The same language separated by one ocean, resulting in a world of difference and misunderstandings." He was referring to the written language.
"There is more to this that they were able to finger these people so rapidly. Smells like undercover or snitch."
Supposedly, there wasn't that much left of him, and yet they had his medical history and other data in minutes.
That would seem to indicate possibly both undercover and snitch.
I will be sending you a freep mail on this.
If the LEO'S were in his apartment and found explosive materials, his computer would have been removed probably before the explosive material to protect evidence.
This so called suicide note on a computer left on in his apartment for this time period really reeks.
It does sound like what someone from NW India or Pakistan might phrase it.
"It does sound like what someone from NW India or Pakistan might phrase it."
That's what was in the back of my mind, but I lack the ability to test the idea in any way. Know any Punjabi speakers, lol?
Yes, over the years I met and talked to a lot of them in the Medical field.
"Yes, over the years I met and talked to a lot of them in the Medical field."
If you're still in contact with any of them, it would be an interesting exercise, to take a few typical English phrases, such as "I'm going to end my life" or "I'm going to commit suicide," and ask them how such a thing would be said in their native tongue, then literally translated instead of interpreted for correct English usage. Intent would be to capture the fractured syntax and unusual word combinations due to differing grammatical patterns as well as conceptual differences.
"a few typical English phrases"
LOL, I make it sound as if English speakers are offing themselves left and right. I meant to say that this would be how these phrases would be typically spoken in English.
RegulatorCountry I'm not in regular contact with any of these Doctors now, and none practice where I live.
I will send you a freemail on this and the problems it presented our intel community tomorrow. I'm off now for most of the day.
Clarification: The incident was not in Seattle, but the radio show that actually addressed the issue (as opposed to mainstram media who ignored it) is in Seattle - KVI, on the John Carlson show. John also invited as his guest the woman who wrote about the third person in the Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma city bombing. She finds this incident troubling as well...
As volatile as that TATP solution is, it seems to me they'd locate all of it *first* before they even touched anything else. What if the CPU had been rigged to detonate if moved?
The evidence seems to point to their already having Hinrichs under some degree of surveillance before he blew himself up.
Which points to the reason why there was a need for a coverup
When Hinrichs showed up at the feed store to buy Ammonium Nitrate, an off-duty cop just happened to be there to take down his license. Yet, in OK, right near OKC, site of the McVeigh bombing, he didn't get on the phone within seconds to have Hinrichs put under heavy (or heavier) surveillance
The LEOs knew who blew himself up in the blast very quickly, and went to where they could find his roommate and roommate's friends
And cellphones stopped working at the game around the time of the blast, with at least one person reporting they stopped working shortly BEFORE the blast
We have reports Hinrichs tried to get in the stadium, and ran off when he was told that his backpack had to be searched
Here's my scenario, let me know if I'm nuts:
The feds were onto Hinrichs, and were tailing him
They might have thought to tail him to see who he met. When he rabbited upon a cop asking to search his backpack, his tail finally realized what was in the backpack, and raised the alarm.
The stadium was locked down to prevent anybody from getting in
When he reached a deserted spot, his cell phone probably rang, and upon answering it he was told that he was surrounded by armed police, he would not be allowed to move towards any people, and to put down the pack and walk away from it. Rather than be arrested, he set it off. Or (scenario 2) a police sniper took a shot at him, and set off the bomb.
Scenario 3, that his co-conspirators set off the bomb to stop him from talking, I assign a low probability given the data. Remember people not being able to get thru on their cells at the game? The feds, and local police, have the ability to shut down the cell network so that only certain phones (like LEO) work. At the "oh shit" moment, any non-brain-damaged tail would have screamed on his radio to impliment the cell-tower-shutoff to prevent communication among the bad guys
The reason for the coverup: he was being tailed, and the tail allowed a terrorist with a bomb to get into the crowd of people going into the game. Imagine the reaction of student's parents if they were told that
"And cellphones stopped working at the game around the time of the blast, with at least one person reporting they stopped working shortly BEFORE the blast"
I remember those posts, and thought they sounded a little Twilight Zone at the time. But, since then, I've looked into a few things, found out that various agencies in the US travelled to London to study the situation there, and that the series of three (successful) bombs were detonated using cell phones, with alarm set to go off at 8:50 AM.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1006167
Given the scrutiny of the London bombing by various agencies and police forces in the US, it would be logical to assume that strategies were drawn up and contingency plans were put into place for a repeat of this method. Disrupting communications via cell phone would be a necessary part of any such plan.
The one thing that stuck out, though, is that "TATP" is being used interchangeably with "HMDT," to describe the type of explosive used in London. They are somewhat similar, but not the same.
But, as far as this being some sort of elaborate sting, I also recall the bizarre level of CYA spinning out of the Norman police department, though. I have a very difficult time as a result, believing that this as-yet-unknown, off duty police officer, or the Norman police, could have played any role at all, other than possibly jeopardizing the operation. As in scaring their little rabbit into doing something far too hasty, maybe?
If the NPD guy was there by prearraingment, it could be that he was working under fed supervision, rather than NPD.
"If the NPD guy was there by prearrangement, it could be that he was working under fed supervision, rather than NPD."
It'd take some seriously tight tin foil for me to think that anyone anticipated Hinrichs going to a farm supply store that didn't even sell ammonium nitrate. Or, they'd bugged his and Cheema's apartment, LoJacked or put GPS tracking on his car, and that's how this guy arrived right behind? Still sounds unlikely to me. He was off work and just hanging out on his day off, shootin' the sh-t with his buddy Dusty Ellison, is what I think. Pure happenstance.
At one point early on, I was all for thinking "our" guys were on top of things, and that Hinrichs was under surveillance, until the goofy CYA spin started emanating from the Norman police department. It'd take something pretty darned convincing at this point, for me to return to accepting that notion.
But, we're both stuck with opinion and conjecture here, because there's a serious drought of information since late last week. Who knows at this point?
Reportedly his lower half was more or less intact. If he had an ID, especially a student ID, in his pocket, that would give them pretty quick access to his records, although I would think that it would take a court order to get the medical records which they seem to have had.
Thanks. Another freeper sent me an FR mail about what was left of his body.
Excellent probability summary. The only thing I have a quibble about is:
"Scenario 3, that his co-conspirators set off the bomb to stop him from talking, I assign a low probability given the data. Remember people not being able to get thru on their cells at the game? The feds, and local police, have the ability to shut down the cell network so that only certain phones (like LEO) work. At the "oh shit" moment, any non-brain-damaged tail would have screamed on his radio to impliment the cell-tower-shutoff to prevent communication among the bad guys."
If he was under surveillance by the LEO community, the cell phone servive probably would not have been cut off until the explosion. Then, they would have cut all of the services in the Norman area to prevent future bombs from going off. I think he got the same goodbye cell phonecall the London Jihadist got on the Double Decker Bus as he appeared to be leaving the tubes and not doing his job.
It would be very interesting to see the timeline of the actual bomb detonation and the LOS of the local cell phone carrier.
Your summary is very good with the data we have separated from the bs from Boron and the lame MSM.
They would have gotten the explosives out first. The computer would have been one of the first things to be take out with or after the explosives were removed. There is no way the computer would have been left untouched and on.
Their dogs would have sniffed the computer and any place or anything where explosives could have been hidden. They wouldn't leave those to go off later and kill/maim someone.
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