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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

In an election in Pennsylvania this week, voters tossed out eight members of the Pittsburgh school board who wanted Intelligent Design theory to be taught alongside evolution in school. But should Intelligent Design -- the theory that living organisms were created at least in part by an intelligent designer, not by a blind process of evolution by natural selection -- be taught in public schools? In one way, the answer to this question is simple: if it's a scientific theory, it should; if it's not, it shouldn't (on pain of flaunting the Establishment Clause). The question, however, is whether Intelligent Design (ID) is a scientific theory.

Opponents dismiss ID's scientific credentials, claiming that the theory is too implausible to qualify as scientific. But this reasoning is fallacious: a bad scientific theory is still a scientific theory, just as a bad car is still a car. There may be pedagogical reasons to avoid teaching bad scientific theories in our public schools, but there are no legal ones. The Constitution contains no interdiction on teaching bad theories, or for that matter demonstrably false ones. As long as theory is science and not religion, there is no legal barrier to teaching it.

To make their case, opponents of teaching ID must show not just that the theory is bad, but that it's not science. This raises a much more complicated question: What is science? What distinguishes genuinely scientific theories from non-scientific ones?

In one form or another, the question has bothered scientists and philosophers for centuries. But it was given an explicit formulation only in the 1920s, by Karl Popper, the most important 20th century philosopher of science. Popper called it "the problem of demarcation," because it asked how to demarcate scientific research and distinguish it from other modes of thought (respectable though they may be in their own right).

One thing Popper emphasized was that a theory's status as scientific doesn't depend on its plausibility. The great majority of scientific theories turn out to be false, including such works of genius as Newton's mechanics. Conversely, the story of Adam and Eve may well be pure truth, but if it is, it's not scientific truth, but some other kind of truth.

So what is the mark of genuine science? To attack this question, Popper examined several theories he thought were inherently unscientific but had a vague allure of science about them. His favorites were Marx's theory of history and Freud's theory of human behavior. Both attempted to describe the world without appeal to super-natural phenomena, but yet seem fundamentally different from, say, the theory of relativity or the gene theory.

What Popper noticed was that, in both cases, there was no way to prove to proponents of the theory that they were wrong. Suppose Jim's parents moved around a lot when Jim was a child. If Jim also moves around a lot as an adult, the Freudian explains that this was predictable given the patterns of behavior Jim grew up with. If Jim never moves, the Freudian explains -- with equal confidence -- that this was predictable as a reaction to Jim's unpleasant experiences of a rootless childhood. Either way the Freudian has a ready-made answer and cannot be refuted. Likewise, however much history seemed to diverge from Marx's model, Marxists would always introduce new modifications and roundabout excuses for their theory, never allowing it to be proven false.

Popper concluded that the mark of true science was falsifiability: a theory is genuinely scientific only if it's possible in principle to refute it. This may sound paradoxical, since science is about seeking truth, not falsehood. But Popper showed that it was precisely the willingness to be proven false, the critical mindset of being open to the possibility that you're wrong, that makes for progress toward truth.

What scientists do in designing experiments that test their theories is create conditions under which their theory might be proven false. When a theory passes a sufficient number of such tests, the scientific community starts taking it seriously, and ultimately as plausible.

When Einstein came up with the theory of relativity, the first thing he did was to make a concrete prediction: he predicted that a certain planet must exist in such-and-such a place even though it had never been observed before. If it turned out that the planet did not exist, his theory would be refuted. In 1919, 14 years after the advent of Special Relativity, the planet was discovered exactly where he said. The theory survived the test. But the possibility of failing a test -- the willingness to put the theory up for refutation -- was what made it a scientific theory in the first place.

To win in the game of science, a theory must be submitted to many tests and survive all of them without being falsified. But to be even allowed into the game, the theory must be falsifiable in principle: there must be a conceivable experiment that would prove it false.

If we examine ID in this light, it becomes pretty clear that the theory isn't scientific. It is impossible to refute ID, because if an animal shows one characteristic, IDers can explain that the intelligent designer made it this way, and if the animal shows the opposite characteristic, IDers can explain with equal confidence that the designer made it that way. For that matter, it is fully consistent with ID that the supreme intelligence designed the world to evolve according to Darwin's laws of natural selection. Given this, there is no conceivable experiment that can prove ID false.

It is sometimes complained that IDers resemble the Marxist historians who always found a way to modify and reframe their theory so it evades any possible falsification, never offering an experimental procedure by which ID could in principle be falsified. To my mind, this complaint is warranted indeed. But the primary problem is not with the intellectual honesty of IDers, but with the nature of their theory. The theory simply cannot be fashioned to make any potentially falsified predictions, and therefore cannot earn entry into the game of science.

None of this suggests that ID is in fact false. For all I've said, it may well be pure truth. But if it is, it wouldn't be scientific truth, because it isn't scientific at all. As such, we shouldn't allow it into our science classrooms. At least that's what the Constitution says.

The writer teaches philosophy at the University of Arizona.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; id; idiocy; ignoranceisstrength; monkeygod; popper; science; theory
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To: wallcrawlr
Youre not an official crevolist Freeper until Dimensio calls you a liar. Welcome aboard!!

The astute reader will note that to Freeper anti-evolutionists, earning a reputation as a liar is something they're *proud* of.

Excuse me while I gag.

141 posted on 11/10/2005 11:00:22 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

astute readers also recognize sarcasm...plus it is true..he calls everyone a liar.

come on ich, dont slip on me


142 posted on 11/10/2005 11:04:45 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: gobucks
The problem is this: ID searches for causes.

No it doesn't. In fact ID positively and relentlessly REFUSES to search for causes, or even speculate about causes. It restricts itself to "inferring" only the (alleged) effect -- the presence of "design" -- but won't say a word about how (or when, where, etc) that design was caused or instantiated.

143 posted on 11/10/2005 11:05:02 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Dimensio
I forgot to mention that you also offer lame apologetics for bad creationist arguments. Oh, and you lie about the claims of creationist articles when those claims are exposed as bogus and then run away like a coward when your lies are exposed.

Are you saying that Running-Dog is a lying, clownish, worthless, cowardly troll who can't spell, think, or understand logic?

144 posted on 11/10/2005 11:05:25 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: wallcrawlr

I've never called Alamo-Girl a liar. But then, unlike many of the creationists here on FR, she doesn't engage in clear and blatant dishonesty.


145 posted on 11/10/2005 11:09:52 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
I don't see the point of applying the concept of evolution to all science. It wouldn't be much use in mathematics, and in physics it would be disastrous. It does have utility in biology, the taxonomic part, and in sociology. Some try to extend the idea into psychology, which might work as well as any other approaches.

That I don't have much use for evolution in my field of specialization--physics--should not be taken to imply that I have any use for the supposed alternative idea.

146 posted on 11/10/2005 11:10:17 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Dimensio

ok, 1 Freeper....I'll give you 1


147 posted on 11/10/2005 11:10:25 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr
I try to refrain from labelling a creationist "liar" until I can identify a point where it is clear that they are making a statement that they should know is false by virtue of having had the truth of the matter explained to them in previous discussions. For example, when a creationist claims that evolution includes the origin of life even though I can find a previous discussion where it was clearly explained that evolution does not, in fact, address that topic, then it's rather obvious that the creationist in question is simply lying. Or, for more blatant examples, when a creationist claims that Antony Flew has rejected the theory of evolution when replying in a discussion about an article that explicitly states that Flew accepts the theory of evolution. Or when the same creationist later denies making any comment at all about Antony Flew in a direct response to a post that links to their previous comment on the man. Or when a creationist claims that all fossil fakes were exposed by "non-evo" scientists and, when asked to support the claim, denies ever making it. Or when a creationist presents a fabricated quote from a biologist, then defends it after the fabrication is exposed.

But it seems that very few creationists think that any of the above is actually "lying". Apparently most creationists don't believe that knowingly making a false statement is actually "lying".
148 posted on 11/10/2005 11:15:38 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: I-ambush
The problem is that those on the Darwinism side of the debate refuse to see or studiously ignore the fact that the natural sciences do not contain all possible knowledge.

Yeah. We all know that evilutionists never read fiction or philosophy, recite a poem, play or listen to music, learn a recipe, love a woman, ride a horse, repair a car, or do anything at all requiring, involving or acknowledging knowledge or knowhow outside of the natural sciences. They are, to a man, unidimensional automatons of soulless science!

(Do I really need sarcasm tags?)

149 posted on 11/10/2005 11:15:45 AM PST by Stultis
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To: RunningWolf
...so maybe you are not wrong about those things.

I have had to eat my words on these threads a couple of times, so I appreciate anyone who engages in an actual discussion.

Someone has pointed out to me that Galileo did not have the technology to make precise measurements of gravitational acceleration. There is no doubt that he made measurements.

Newton was one of the brightest men who ever lived, and his work is brilliant, but he built a cosmology out of a few data points. He no more observed the workings of the cosmos than Darwin witnessed dinosaurs mating.

Science is about building explanitory theories and looking for evidence to confirm or refute the expectations of theory.

150 posted on 11/10/2005 11:21:49 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?

Neither. Intelligent Design is not a theory. One of the leading exponents (William Dembski) of ID claims, "Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." This shows that ID is just another type of theology.

151 posted on 11/10/2005 11:26:00 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: wallcrawlr
astute readers also recognize sarcasm...

Then what does the fact that you didn't recognize *my* sarcasm imply about the level of your reading ability?

plus it is true..he calls everyone a liar.

No, he doesn't. Another lie in your cap.

152 posted on 11/10/2005 11:27:56 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: wallcrawlr; Dimensio
astute readers also recognize sarcasm...plus it is true..he calls everyone a liar.

I have never seen Dimensio call anyone a liar without him posting, or being prepared to post when challenged, compelling evidence that the poster in question is, in fact, a liar. I therefore find it remarkable that you seem to consider being labelled a liar by Dimensio some kind of badge of honour. Most of us consider lying to be shameful.

153 posted on 11/10/2005 11:28:14 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Dimensio
But it seems that very few creationists think that any of the above is actually "lying". Apparently most creationists don't believe that knowingly making a false statement is actually "lying".

No statement made to attack the evil religion of evolution can ever be considered to truly be a lie.

154 posted on 11/10/2005 11:29:42 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: js1138
Newton was one of the brightest men who ever lived, and his work is brilliant, but he built a cosmology out of a few data points. He no more observed the workings of the cosmos than Darwin witnessed dinosaurs mating.

He also wasted a great deal of his talents on alchemy, and an idiosyncratic theology.

155 posted on 11/10/2005 11:29:52 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I will admit in one discussion posting, in a bit of thoughtlessness, a blanket statement that "creationists are liars". Which is, of course, not what I really believe. What I believe is that most creationists that I have observed are liars. I am aware of the existence of a few non-lying creationists, which is why I usually phrase general statements about creationists with such a caveat, but I have been a bit hasty now and then.
156 posted on 11/10/2005 11:31:16 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Ichneumon; Pete from Shawnee Mission; Just mythoughts; Dimensio; SalukiLawyer; Thatcherite; ...
Damn. I wonder what would happen if anti-evos ever figured out how to do text searches on on-line documents. For instance, one need only go to Project Gutenberg to find a copy of Darwin's works. Sorta like this:

The Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection; or, the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life

(Note, I skipped all the intro pieces dealing with copyright and all that)

Once in, it takes a whole lot of effort to hold down the CTRL key and hit "F" -- after which a search box will pop up.

Nosirree Bob. I'm telling you it'll be a dark day indeed when anti-evos actually understand how to utilize the internet for research.

157 posted on 11/10/2005 11:32:29 AM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Ichneumon

Newton probably had Asperger's Syndrome.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


158 posted on 11/10/2005 11:33:28 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
Someone has pointed out to me that Galileo did not have the technology to make precise measurements of gravitational acceleration. There is no doubt that he made measurements.

I think he used an inclined plane to make round things "fall" slower, and he measured the time with his pulse. Not terribly precise, but it was sufficient to observe that heavy objects fall no faster than light ones.

159 posted on 11/10/2005 11:34:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Junior
Damn. I wonder what would happen if anti-evos ever figured out how to do text searches on on-line documents.

I thought that many already posessed this knowledge. How else do they dig up quotes that seem to be "damning" for the case of evolution but, when examined in context, pose no problems with the theory whatsoever? I assumed that they did a search on a text string, found something that looked promising and cut and pasted the sentence without reading further.

If they didn't do it that way, it would suggest that creationists actually do read the sources that they quote, and their out-of-context quoting is a practice of dishonesty rather than haste and laziness. And a creationist wouldn't be dishonest, right?
160 posted on 11/10/2005 11:36:37 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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