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Dowd V Mapes Media Bias Alert
November 13, 2005 | me

Posted on 11/13/2005 7:35:05 AM PST by Roscoe Karns

I was watching Maureen Dowd on Larry King last night and something she said jumped out at me. Read the quotes in bold below. One is from Maureen Dowd and the other is from Mary Mapes. (Both were on Larry King last week-but not on the same day). Obviously, journalism standards change from story to story depending on how they can be used to smear a Republican president:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/12/lkl.01.html

KING:[talking about Judy Miller] Was she doing her job or was she caught up in it?

DOWD: I think she was too creditable. And too, you know, investigative reporting is not stenography. When your sources tell you something, that's the beginning of your work. Not the end of it.

KING: So you even question your source?

DOWD: Of course. And Judy's sources all had agendas, Choliby (ph), you know, "Scooter" Libby, the neo-cons. They all had specific agendas. And if they had a "New York Times" reporter who believed those agendas in too creditable a way, they were able to use that to then further their agendas.

Ok. Now read Mary Mapes' quotes. It seems she thinks that, no, reporters shouldn't question their sources too much...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/09/lkl.01.html

KING: But wasn't the commission that investigated it, weren't they fair, weren't the independent?

MAPES: Well, I don't know, Larry. I mean if your work was being judged, wouldn't you like your work to be judged by people who did the kind of work you did? I mean I don't know what Dick Thornburgh knows about journalism.

I suspect he knows as much about it as I know about being a securities analyst or attorney, which is what the other attorneys were, securities specialists or internal corporation investigation specialists.

I think it was a very legalistic approach. You know they even said we had put Ben Barnes and his story on that he had gotten Bush in the Guard and he was sorry and they ruled that I shouldn't -- we should not have put that on because we couldn't prove it.

Well, if that were the case, we'd have blank newspapers every day and there would be nothing on the news because the news is what people say, what they think. I mean you go to a presidential press conference and when the president says something you don't only put it on if you can prove it, you put it on because it's what's being said and because it's relevant. [in other words, when we've got an evil Republican president to take down we reporters SHOULD be stenoghraphers]



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1 posted on 11/13/2005 7:35:08 AM PST by Roscoe Karns
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2 posted on 11/13/2005 7:36:27 AM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: Roscoe Karns

So the dowdie one says newspapers print gossip as news, but only if they have sources.


3 posted on 11/13/2005 7:43:45 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Roscoe Karns
Rush has been talking about the MSM attitude towards the "truth." They believe that it's not their job to be accurate. It is the job of the reader/listener to do the fact checking.

The trouble I find with that attitude is that they fail or are slow to widely disseminate the truth once is has been proved to them, and they are resentful and belligerent about it - ala Buckhead.

4 posted on 11/13/2005 7:47:01 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

This is another variation on the double standard we see in the MSM.

It is because they are not driven by a search for truth, but by an agenda of forming the world that they want.

Thus, the standard becomes: How can we spin the information that we have to advance the Agenda?

When we look at MSM reporting with this in mind, much is explained.


5 posted on 11/13/2005 7:47:19 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
The recent revelations by Mapes do indeed make a lot of things clearer about how they view their responsibilities. Thus we have the classic situations like this:

Democrat leader: "The Republicans want to foul the air, pollute the water, and starve the elderly."

MSM in unison to the President: "Why do you want to foul the air, pollute the water, and starve the elderly?"

6 posted on 11/13/2005 7:51:38 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

The only source the dowdy one uses for her Hate GW opeds is her over drugged/whacked out brain.


7 posted on 11/13/2005 7:56:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM/RATs need to set a timetable for withdrawal in their illegitimate war on Bush. It's a quagmire.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
JMO, but in light of these recent revelations, Congress should require newspapers and news shows to display the following advisory:

"Warning - it is not our practice to determine truth of our reporting. It is the sole responsibility of the consumer to do the fact checking."

Failure to post that warning should make these people personally liable for libel suits.

8 posted on 11/13/2005 7:57:09 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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Good work!


9 posted on 11/13/2005 7:58:26 AM PST by citizencon
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Gee, sounds like both of these weirdos are parsing their words. Kinda goes back to the meaning of the word "is" is.
What crap they spew!


10 posted on 11/13/2005 8:00:45 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Enterprise


Joseph Pulizter

11 posted on 11/13/2005 8:01:27 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Roscoe Karns
I mean you go to a presidential press conference and when the president says something you don't only put it on if you can prove it, you put it on because it's what's being said and because it's relevant.

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. If the president says something at a press conference one can report on that because that is what he said...if you do an investigative report about a claim regarding the past you have an obligation to actually seek the truth and not just report what is said. These are two DIFFERENT types of reports and for someone who is supposed to be a reporter to fail to understand the difference...well, she needs to go back to school and take journalism 101 so she has a grasp of how reporting is actually done.

12 posted on 11/13/2005 8:02:41 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Alright, you know the rule: bring out the CZJ pics.


13 posted on 11/13/2005 8:05:46 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: satchmodog9

Thanks for sticking to the rules, however we need a bigger picture to confirm!


14 posted on 11/13/2005 8:06:06 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
I only saw about 3 minutes of that interview (about all I can take of the toadying King), but in that 3 minutes Dowd stated that she's hunting for a husband and Larry King told her that he doesn't know that there is anyone, including those who do not agree with her views, that would not say that her writing is excellent. Blech.
16 posted on 11/13/2005 8:08:13 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Roscoe Karns

I still love Matt Drudge's comment on journalism. It's a trade, not a profession. Talk about putting these arrogant asses in their place.


17 posted on 11/13/2005 8:11:00 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Zacs Mom

Joseph Pulizter was brilliantly insightful. Too bad the MSM isn't.


18 posted on 11/13/2005 8:12:56 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Well, there you have it... "News=Opinion". That explains it all, doesn't it?


19 posted on 11/13/2005 8:19:32 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: JamesP81; JRios1968

"Real women have husbands, not petty newspaper jobs."

20 posted on 11/13/2005 8:19:43 AM PST by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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