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WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS Gingrich sees Iran threat to U.S. like Nazi Germany
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | November 20, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 11/20/2005 8:35:52 PM PST by Jacob Kell

WASHINGTON – The threat posed to the national security of the United States by Iran was likened only to the one posed by Nazi Germany in the 1930s, by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who suggested Tehran could be planning for a pre-emptive nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack on America that would turn a third or more of the country "back to a 19th century level of development."

Gingrich made the stunning statements, which echo warning of other congressional leaders and national security experts, in testimony before a subcommittee of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: emp; emps; gingrich; iran; khomeinei; mullahocracy; mullahs; newt; newtgingrich; tehran; terrorism; waronterror; wmd; wmds
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I'm posting because I was wondering what all you guys think about the notion of a possible EMP attack on the US.
1 posted on 11/20/2005 8:35:56 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: Jacob Kell

I say we should prime Russia for an invasion of Iran, and China to invade and occupy North Korea.

Just a hunch, but I'll bet one dollar this will happen. There is even evidence that the latter is being planned.


2 posted on 11/20/2005 8:38:30 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Jacob Kell

Interesting, because Iran was known as Persia until World War II. The reason? Because Iran is a translation of Aryan. They felt they were distant cousins of the Germans.


3 posted on 11/20/2005 8:41:30 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: SteveMcKing

Where is the evidence?


4 posted on 11/20/2005 8:44:40 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Jacob Kell
Gingrich pointed out that such a sneak attack – especially if launched from a merchant ship at sea – could have the added benefit of deniability by Iran.
We have to be clear about this to Iran: once something this catastrophic happens to us, we aren't going to be listening to anybody's denials.
5 posted on 11/20/2005 8:46:15 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Jacob Kell
Any country that launches a weapon for an EMP attack will get one of these in return, I do believe. Any nuclear attack is going to see a nuclear response, most likely (depending upon how it has been gamed out for SIOP). Iran would have to be suicidal. But...

I do believe the events from Ezekile 38 are coming and I'm sure that's where Farah is going with this.



(I just wonder if yellow-helmet guy is saying to white-helmet guy: "You're going to have to hold on REAL TIGHT!!!")
6 posted on 11/20/2005 8:48:42 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: F15Eagle

dang typos - preview means preview!!!!

"Ezekile 38" s/b "Ezekiel 38"


7 posted on 11/20/2005 8:50:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: All
I'd like to look into this a bit more, but I think the threat is overstated. The US exploded many nuclear weapons in space during its atomic testing heyday. I don't recall reading about any negative ground effects other than a temporary disruption of radio communications in Hawaii. Then again, the bombs weren't set off directly over Kansas...

If this IS a serious threat, I hope the gov't and mil are taking necessary steps to alleviate the problem. We might need a Y2K-like focus to harden our infrastructure against EMP weapons.

8 posted on 11/20/2005 8:53:06 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jacob Kell
I think its a good thing we have troops on opposite sides of Iran's borders, lets clean up the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and get ready for our next mission.
9 posted on 11/20/2005 8:53:32 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Where is the evidence?

Who cares? Start the bombing in five minutes...

10 posted on 11/20/2005 8:56:51 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: BushMeister

"We might need a Y2K-like focus to harden our infrastructure against EMP weapons"

IMHO, you can't do this...


11 posted on 11/20/2005 9:00:44 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Jacob Kell
I think this plan of the Iranians is akin to saying, "if I ever get into a fight with Mike Tyson, the first thing I'm gonna do is kick him in the shins." Yeah? THEN what are you gonna do?

In short, the Iranians would be utter fools to do something like this. IMO.

12 posted on 11/20/2005 9:00:44 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: All
Here's a good article on Iran/EMPs. Apparently, that nuke test that effected Hawaii was 800 miles away, so the threat seems to be quite considerable.

EMP

13 posted on 11/20/2005 9:01:13 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Actually, I believe that the word "Aryan" was used to refer to the peoples who settled the Northern India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan regions. They were most closely related to the Iranian peoples, if I'm not mistaken.


14 posted on 11/20/2005 9:02:18 PM PST by Jacob Kell (NBC-Neo Bolshevik Communists or Nothing But Communists)
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To: Jacob Kell

No question about it. Iran would love to put one in here. Newt is right about the rise of Islamo Fascism from Constantinople to Jakarta being a parallel to the rise of fascism in Europe prior to WW II.

This time though the USA will not isolate itself. Iran and Syria are next to get in l9ine with International law regarding the harboring of terrorists or we will go into Iran after them. Iran doesn't think we will , and is sending arms and explosives into Iraq. If they do not stop , the USA and its Alllies will roll them up and in the process destroy their nuclear program.


15 posted on 11/20/2005 9:03:08 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Jacob Kell

No question about it. Iran would love to put one in here. Newt is right about the rise of Islamo Fascism from Constantinople to Jakarta being a parallel to the rise of fascism in Europe prior to WW II.

This time though the USA will not isolate itself. Iran and Syria are next to get in line with International law regarding the harboring of terrorists or we will go into Iran after them. Iran doesn't think we will , and is sending arms and explosives into Iraq. If they do not stop , the USA and its Alllies will roll them up and in the process destroy their nuclear program.


16 posted on 11/20/2005 9:03:10 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Russia and China had war games over the summer. I didn't read much into it, but speculation was flying at the Belmont Club. What better country to occupy N.K. than China?

I guess I'd need a tin-foil hat to suggest Bush's visit to China this weekend means anything at all.... (It's fun to guess randomly!)


17 posted on 11/20/2005 9:04:06 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Candor7; All

That was one the reasons why we went in Iraq.. Instead of ignoring and the problem like we did with Germany in the 1930's, we may have solved the problem a few losses of life imho..


18 posted on 11/20/2005 9:05:26 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Candor7; All

That was one the reasons why we went in Iraq.. Instead of ignoring and the problem like we did with Germany in the 1930's, we may have solved the problem a few losses of life imho..


19 posted on 11/20/2005 9:05:34 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Jacob Kell
I'm posting because I was wondering what all you guys think about the notion of a possible EMP attack on the US.

The problem is the world economies, including Iran, are so tightly connected together that such an attack would crash our economy on the first day and the rest of the world's economies the next day.

So even if by some miracle the U.S. does not countattack Iran, the rest of the world will.

20 posted on 11/20/2005 9:09:23 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: samtheman
"We have to be clear about this to Iran: once something this catastrophic happens to us, we aren't going to be listening to anybody's denials."

I have a better plan, less of the modern thought and more logical, responsible and wiser. How about we don't wait till we're nuked before respond to Iran?

Iran's burgeoning nuclear capability, their bold "f... you" to the free world's demands that they halt nuclear development, their ever-expanding military and their insane threats to Israel and the U.S. should be enough warning for us to take action. Do we really need to wait until we see a major U.S. city being melted by a nuke and millions of dead Americans?

21 posted on 11/20/2005 9:09:40 PM PST by TheCrusader (Evolutionist know everything about the missing link, except the fact that it's missing~GK Chesterton)
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To: KevinDavis
That was one the reasons why we went in Iraq.. Instead of ignoring and the problem like we did with Germany in the 1930's, we may have solved the problem a few losses of life imho..

I remember President Bush saying in a speech a year ago using this comparison of Nazi Germany with Iraq under Saddam's control.

22 posted on 11/20/2005 9:11:11 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Jacob Kell

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1525898/posts


23 posted on 11/20/2005 9:16:56 PM PST by toldyou
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Which country is more able to operate as a closed economy? Iran's is basically a planned economy with an authoritarian theocratic regime. They'll bounce back quick.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 9:20:51 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: streetpreacher

Who cares? I was asking this individual to provide proof for his assertion, which I believe to be false:

"I say we should prime Russia for an invasion of Iran, and China to invade and occupy North Korea.

Just a hunch, but I'll bet one dollar this will happen. There is even evidence that the latter is being planned."


25 posted on 11/20/2005 9:21:46 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: TheCrusader

Of course you are right. Absolutely, you are right.


26 posted on 11/20/2005 9:21:58 PM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
" We have to be clear about this to Iran: once something this catastrophic happens to us, we aren't going to be listening to anybody's denials. " ....

That would include the denials from the MSM/Democrats/Liberals also.
27 posted on 11/20/2005 9:23:35 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: BushMeister

There's literally a huge difference between "affecting" Hawaii and taking us "back to a 19th century level of development".

As usual Fara is way, way over the top.


28 posted on 11/20/2005 9:23:45 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: endthematrix
Which country is more able to operate as a closed economy? Iran's is basically a planned economy with an authoritarian theocratic regime.

But the life-blood of their economy is selling oil to outside country and companies, which would be bankrupted by such an act.

29 posted on 11/20/2005 9:24:34 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: F15Eagle

I think yellow helmet guy said to white helmet guy: "So, you're Cool Ranch, eh?"

And white helmet guy replied to yellow helmet guy: "Yeah, and you must be Fiesta Nacho, right?"



Then they hugged.

30 posted on 11/20/2005 9:25:20 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Jacob Kell

An Armenian person born in Iran who is an American citizen went there monts ago and he said the place is infested with fanatics and that we'd be going to war soon with them.

I agree.


31 posted on 11/20/2005 9:25:48 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Farah doesn't need no stinking evidence...

BTW, if terrorist had a nuke for a huge EMP weapon, they wouldn't use the EMP capability... They'd use the nuke to kill as many of us as possible. Not just crash some of our computers/electronics.


32 posted on 11/20/2005 9:27:33 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: Jacob Kell


No, you're absolutely right. It just happens that that's the reason Persia was changed to Iran, which worked out anyway because they really are Aryans.


33 posted on 11/20/2005 9:28:48 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
That would include the denials from the MSM/Democrats/Liberals also.
You know what? I've got a big fat news flash for the MSM/Democrats/Liberals. When the Big One hits, their day is done. They will be so over.
34 posted on 11/20/2005 9:29:13 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Petronski

Used to drive by a MMIII silo years ago while in college. Just off the highway it was. Pretty wild looking at that thing during the 1980's. Now, it looks like we may eventually have to use them. Boy what a day that will be. There's no stopping these guys it appears, short of pre-emptive strikes and the world will never be the same after that. Nor the alternative, i.e. they strike first.


35 posted on 11/20/2005 9:30:01 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: F15Eagle

What if we shared snack-chip technology with them?

If we teach them how to do it, and provide them with all the Wild Salsa powder they need, perhaps they will forego producing it on their own...


36 posted on 11/20/2005 9:34:16 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"Life-blood" would be debatable. I think the mullahs could rule over a slave economy, having half their citizens dig ditches - the other half to fill them.
37 posted on 11/20/2005 9:34:21 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Jacob Kell

and Pres. Bush was mocked for his "Axis of Evil".
looks like he got 'em all right.


38 posted on 11/20/2005 9:34:35 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: endthematrix
"Life-blood" would be debatable. I think the mullahs could rule over a slave economy, having half their citizens dig ditches - the other half to fill them.

I doubt it would get that bad before there would be a military backed revolt.

39 posted on 11/20/2005 9:37:15 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Who cares? I was asking this individual to provide proof for his assertion, which I believe to be false:

I was only being sarcastic

"I say we should prime Russia for an invasion of Iran, and China to invade and occupy North Korea.

Just a hunch, but I'll bet one dollar this will happen. There is even evidence that the latter is being planned."

I don't care to cede the territory of two regional tyrannies to two global tyrannies.

40 posted on 11/20/2005 9:37:51 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Petronski

I like that. Salsa-chip diplomacy!


41 posted on 11/20/2005 9:38:54 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Get my point?


42 posted on 11/20/2005 9:38:57 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Jacob Kell
It might be a premptive attack, but, it won't be a suprize attack... NORAD can track it.
I just hope the new defense sheild either operational, or capible to the task.
We also have some of these.




43 posted on 11/20/2005 9:39:00 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: endthematrix
Get my point?

I don;t disagree that the mulahs would use an EMP weapon if they had one.

I am just pointing out that by doing so, the mulahs would be signing their own death warrents that the rest of the world would be more than happy to carry out.

44 posted on 11/20/2005 9:41:33 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Jacob Kell

ping for later


45 posted on 11/20/2005 9:41:49 PM PST by jim-x (God help America survive its enemies within.)
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To: BushMeister
I don't recall reading about any negative ground effects other than a temporary disruption of radio communication

That was back in the days of vacuum tubes and the occasional transistor. Todays processors and memory chips are far more vulnerable and they're in everything we have.

46 posted on 11/20/2005 9:42:00 PM PST by Ceebass
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Are there more than just the first two vehicles? Notice the depicted strike is when the target weapon is in boost phase.



It's when they're coming back at 14,000 miles per hour that it gets real tough to stop 'em.
47 posted on 11/20/2005 9:44:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Ceebass
A poster on the site I linked above says he has 30 years of designing EMP-hardened electronics, and in his words many even commercial electronics that are "off" at the time of pulse will survive, since the EMP pulse causes the unit to pull an overload of power from its grid. Not sure what the status of, say, a PC that is plugged in but "off" at the time of pulse would be.

This scenario is certainly not the only serious problem we're facing, but I think we should be prepared.

48 posted on 11/20/2005 9:47:46 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: samtheman

Well, one expected reaction from the MSM/Liberals/Democrats would be, " why didn't you do anything about it, you were asleep at the wheel on the war on terror " while at the same time, hampering , obstructing every effort we have been doing for the last 4 years on the war on terror.


49 posted on 11/20/2005 9:48:02 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
It would be foolish for sure. Iran gets stronger by biding time....and selling petrol. Brinkmanship is just foreign policy for them. Actually the more saber ratting, the more attention they get from the Security Council. Iran would be foolish to dissolve popular world (not American) opinion.
50 posted on 11/20/2005 9:50:52 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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