Skip to comments.US in move that may bar foreign researchers
Posted on 11/24/2005 6:46:57 PM PST by Mark Felton
The US government is poised to propose rules that could restrict the ability of Chinese and other foreign nationals to engage in high-level research in the country, a plan that is generating fierce opposition from companies and universities.
The move comes amid growing fears in the US that its relatively open rules allowing foreign nationals to work with sensitive technologies leave the country open to espionage.
Our space industry was founded by former scientists of the NAZI regime, like Werner von Braun.
Today we encourage illegal invasion by the most uneducated peoples of the world and now discourage the best and brightest?
A short-sighted self-destructive policy that will ease us into mediocrity and a less robust military position.
We have far too many security violations all over the places.
One is talking about people whose loyalties are more questionable than were the loyalties of von Braun at the time. [And von Braun was under much tighter control, too]. Von Braun's Germany was occupied, and then became a strong ally. The debacle with Wen Ho Lee should have been more than sufficient warning.
"Our space industry was founded by former scientists of the NAZI regime, like Werner von Braun."
The Nazis had been defeated. The Chinese are not.
I'm not so sure this is a bad idea during war time, in a protracted conflict, especially with the Red Chinese, who are not our friends, now or historically, nor into the future. How much highly sensitive information has been transferred to their homelands, or our enemies or both? The U.S. needs to revisit all it's programs and immigration programs, top to bottom, but while it's figuring it out, it needs to freeze the current programs, kick out those who aren't in compliance and seal the borders, once and for all. This should've been resolved ten plus years ago..oh, I forgot, Boy Clinton was selling our secrets to the Chinese for campaign contributions. Never mind.
Very true. I think it was key they mentioned "China" in particular.
We certainly shouldn't be letting a bunch of damn communists do ANYTHING in our country. Letting them perform high level research is stupid. Granting them easy access to our technology is stupid. Leaving our borders wide open is stupid. Our enemy's aren't this stupid.
This is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of. Governments intentions will produce the opposite of it's results. We'll be sending the best and brightest right back to the Chinese military. Let's keep the brain drain coming to the United States! (as it's always been)
Oh real timely. Only a couple decades late. A few years ago right here in hay country a couple "chinese students" (uh huh) were busted by the Feds for transfer of hi tech info. I think they fled.
The Nazis had been defeated. The Chinese are not.
The major differance is the nazi scientist came and brought space technology with them. The chinese bring nothing with them. They are here for one purpose only: to steal technology. The only thing they bring to the table is ping pong. For the past 30-35 years, thanks to Nixon/Kissinger ping pong diplomacy, they have been welcomed into our research labs by "airhead" lab administrators and scientists in exchange for flattery and boondoggle exchange visits to china. It's not a question of the "best and brightest". They are given slots or billets that should be reserved for young american scientists and they abuse that privilege by collecting and passing sensitive technical data back to china right under the noses of lab security and administration. The recent Los Alamos (Wen HO???)scandle is only the tip of the iceberg. These people are planted throughout our aerospace defense industry.
Defense related research should be conducted by native born Americans. What's the problem with that?
Otherwise we should be buying or reverse-engineering any superior designs from overseas products, and then improving on them ourselves.
Why let non-native US residents or even naturalized US citizens be enticed away by their home country's defense establishment?
We don't gain the work of that one smart guru. Instead, we lose the work of 100s of US researchers when or if they pass our secrets to their home country.
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"According to the 20032004 issue of the IISS Military Balance, one brigade (eight missiles) of the long-anticipated DF-31 inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) is now deployed, with more presumably to follow in relatively short order . . . While this is not the first road-mobile, solid-fuel missile deployed by China, it is the first one capable of striking the continental United States."
The range of the DF-31 is 8,000 kilometers, which is close to 5,000 miles. Our west coast and several northern states in the Rockies are within its range. The DF-31 has a CEP of only 300-500 meters if not closer than that by now. China has already built its own GPS with plans for worldwide coverage soon, and it is accurate to within 12 meters. The Chinese DF-41 and other systems are under development. Some of those systems will reach any part of the United States, and our Defense does not know as to whether they've been deployed, yet.
...from an old post of mine. China has come far in developing her new Navy since then. And from a couple of quick searches just now:
The Russia-China Friendship and Cooperation Treaty: A Strategic Shift in Eurasia?
[Disclaimer: I don't know anything about the rest of the site behind the last link there, yet.]
Lets be honest about the big picture. There are probably over 100,000 Chinese college students in the US today. Of this group...at least 50 percent are probably part of some technology collection agency which gets both the education and the stolen technology at the same time.
Simple scenario. Hu is at University of Florida and knows a couple of guys who are in a special project to develop internet use via electrical lines (110-voltage for those folks from Ripley). They are approaching a point where they can pass packets via a regular house electrical circuit. Hu goes in one night and downloads their 50,000 pages of tech documents. He sends it to China. Within four months, a technology group in China has the same project on their back-burner and can devote vast resources on it to finish ahead of the college kids in Florida. Hu gets a little medal and a promise of his own lab upon return. This goes on all the time.
Second scenario. Su Wong is a good looking female Chinese math student in UCLA. She gets in good with the various professors and starts collecting private data on them (their various secret affairs and such). Four years later, a little Chinese office opens near UCLA and arranges for a blonde escort type to meet the professor who now has meetings with US nuclear scientists, and a blackmail scheme starts up.
For the US to even start getting control of the situation...we'd need at least another 100k intelligence or FBI personnel and we'd have to start limiting foreign student status into the US...which the universities really don't want to do.
This is not true. Sure, he was one of a few and I say few that helped speed along the space industry but they were by no means the founders of the space industry.
Just so as you know he wasn't even the inventor of the jet rocket.
Goddard, Robert Hutchings, 1882-1945, American physicist and rocket expert, b. Worcester, Mass., grad. Worcester Polytechnic Institute (B.S., 1908), Ph.D. Clark Univ., 1911. From 1914 he was associated with Clark Univ., becoming a professor of physics in 1919. Goddard designed and built early high altitude rockets. In 1926 he completed and successfully fired the world's first liquid fuel rocket. He developed the first smokeless powder rocket, the first practical automatic steering device for rockets, and innumerable other rocket devices. He was one of the first to develop a general theory of rocket action and to prove experimentally the efficiency of rocket propulsion in a vacuum.
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