Posted on 11/30/2005 1:22:19 AM PST by Bob Haran
Let's face it, our elected officials don't have a clue about how to reduce illegal immigration. After President Bush proposed a guest worker program in January 2004, he repeatedly has said, illegal border crossing must stop. He now says he is looking for an overall strategy to curb illegal immigration.
Congress can't agree on what to do about illegal immigration. McCain, Kolbe, Flake and Ted Kennedy, want a guest worker program and also want to allow some undocumented immigrants to become legal residents, but they insist that is not an amnesty. Senator Jon Kyl wants illegal immigrants to go home, voluntarily, before taking part in any guest worker program.
None of those proposals will stop anyone from crossings our borders illegally or cause any of the estimated 11 to 15 million undocumented aliens in this country to return to their own countries.
A workable strategy to curb illegal immigration is simple, no new laws are necessary, no guest worker programs, no amnesties.
People are crossing our border illegally to find jobs. It is illegal to hire undocumented immigrants, therefore, the strategy is, start doing something that the government hasn't been doing, start enforcing the law against the hiring of undocumented immigrants. If there are fewer jobs for illegal immigrants, then the number of people entering the United States illegally will drop dramatically.
Maybe the real problem is that these politicians don't feel that national security and American jobs are as important as cheap labor, that's what it's really all about anyway.
Bob Haran,
Phoenix, AZ
www.Bob-Haran.info
100% Correct
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Bingo!
BINGO! The stated policy Bush has put out there is completely irrational until you think about the unstated part of that policy.
All illegals should be held pending until completion of hearing. Spartan tent city surroundings will help ensure speedy disposition of trials.
It's the same on the southern border.
The big difference between the two is that the Canadian police and military are not assisting illegals from entering the US.
Agreed.
Reminds me of the young American man that got the cane for tagging cars over there a few years back. Wonder if he ever did it again. I'm guessing not.
WE AGREE!
This is JMO. I believe our Presidents recent focus on the issue is intended to cool the momentum behind real illegal immigration reform. Keeping us all arguing over the subtleties of his guest worker program -and others like it- prevents forward movement on the few things we all agree on. A serious barrier of some kind and interior enforcement.
Not really. We have no documented case of terrorists sneaking across the southern border. The real "security" problem that I am concerned about is the ability of Paco to commit murder, rape, or some other serious criminal offense and establish an entirely new identity north of the border.
There is no threat of islamic terrorists sneaking across the southern border. I can pull up a study by some Air Force study on Carribean and Latin American Islamic threats that I posted (or you can go search for the link on my in forums page), where they concluded that there is no realistic threat of islamic terrorism from Latin America. Study dated 2003.
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The CFR calls illegals....'trusted travelers'. Is the hair standing up on the back of your neck yet? Mine is.
I understand that to mean voters and voters = citizens. I would restate it. IMO it equates Americans of Hispanic descent with ILLEGAL immigration.
I would say, "But the real problem is that the Bush Administration and pro-"guest workers" members of congress in both Parties equate law-breaking with Americans of Hispanic origin."
Keeping a lid on how Americans of Hispanic origin feel about ILLEGAL immigration is a priority of the Bush Administration, et al. IMO. They are Americans first and no more likely to be loyal to other countries than any other American.
Pretty tough remarks and not totally off the mark IMO.
I am as exasperated as any of the "Cindy Sheehans of the right" -- beyond endurance almost.
I am tired of the B.S. But not from the "anti-immigrant" crowd -- as some call us. (We're anti-ILLEGAL immigrant as I am sure you know.)
I was sold a piece of junk in 1986 (immigration reform), the warranty was not honored -- indeed, there were efforts to prevent getting repairs from any source! (Though we did get a little done with Prop 200 .)
Now after twenty years of making payments we learn that there's a balloon payment due, i.e., "guest workers" who will happily go home after six years max. B.S.
We're told we have to have a "guest worker" plan to enable us to identify the "undocumented workers." MORE B.S.! We know who most of them are and we know who employs them. Ask the SSA and the IRS.
We need the workers. OK. What we don't need are lying SOBs in government and business!! So screw them all! Let them stop lying and just maybe they will get more support.
We NEED illegal aliens??
Sigh....
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All my views on immigration are prejudiced (best to get it out on the table) by the following
1) I am a guy who looks to reform this problem FIRST with market based ideas, and only secondarily with law enforcement (just my libertarian slant)
2) If I lived in CA, I would probably be lots more anti immigrant ---I think most of us are anti illegal immigrant, it is just a difference on how we fix the situation. I basically take the approach of "who in here would make a good citizen IF they had lined up on a more liberal immigration quota?" and looking for ways to integrate them legally into society. Most Freepers in the immigration threads have a view that we should FIRST enforce the present laws, INCLUDING expelling illegals already here. Many good people disagree on this, but I think I am one of the few vocal freepers to break ranks on this issue.
We REALLY need to get control of our borders, and then we need to take prop 200 nationwide. We unnecessarily piss off tax paying citizens by opening up fed givaway programs to illegals. I don't get that bent out of shape about it b/c my objection is with the programs themselves more than who is getting a place at the fed hog trough. If American citizens can't resist lining up for "benefits," I am not sure why we would expect illegals to resist. "If you build it, they will come" applies to subsidies as much as any other thing.
3) I genuinely like latinos. I am not hispanic, nor do I have a vested interest in them being here. I just like alot of things about the culture and have had very good relationships with them. My perspective on them being here as immigrants (legal and illegal) is admittedly colored by that.
Our borders are an absolute mess, and we are in danger of developing a fortress mentality with a hostility to immigrants themselves if we are not careful. I think this would be a tragedy primarily for US, and only secondarily to the prospective immigrants.
Take a look at the events leading up to the 1996 welfare and immigration reforms. Elderly relatives of legal immigrants were swamping the 0ver-65 SSI. Those were all legal immigrants yet even liberal Democrats helped put an end to the rapidly growing swarms. (Ended SSI only BTW, all other benefits are still handed out -- subsequent changes to the 1996 reforms enabled those on SSI before Aug., 1996 to still get SSI.)
So, "If American citizens can't resist lining up. . . ." why should legal / ILLEGAL immigrants resist? Surely you see the difference between paying all your life and not paying a penny, not even speaking the language?
But essentially you are right. I know for a fact that some of the legal / ILLEGAL immigrants that I know and know of say, "If they're dumb enough to give it to me, I'll take it -- and all I can get away with."
If you read enough threads I honestly believe that you'll see that few blame the ILLEGAL immigrants. Most as I do blame the conditions in their home country (like Mexicorruption) and our own government / business personnel.
I am against "guest worker" but I would be willing to give a form of legal status like PRUCOL for ILLEGALs (excluding criminals) to get "right" or leave. Couple that with strict enforcement of our immigration laws and let the world know we mean it.
Why give the ILLEGALs a break? IMO they were invited here by our own government's wink-wink, nudge-nudge attitude.
Trust me, we do.
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