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The truth about tipping
December 6, 2005 | George

Posted on 12/06/2005 12:33:26 PM PST by George14

It has recently been publicized that a 20 percent tip is now appropriate because servers are usually only guaranteed $2.13 an hour and the tips have to be split. Let me explain something. It is the customer's sole right to determine whether a tip is given, the amount and who will be the recipient of his tip. Such rights are not only guaranteed by our constitution they are clearly explained in the Code of Federal Regulations. Customers may tip any amount they choose. Instead of a higher tip being appropriate, what is now actually appropriate is for the public to start questioning why they are being expected to tip more.

While it has been widely publicized that tip splitting and lowered wages are both creating a need for higher tip percentages, what is not being publicized is an explanation of what these business practices actually are and why they create a need for the public to tip more. You see in both cases, such practices equate to employers being allowed to take part the tips away from the employee to whom the customer has presented a tip. You see, tip splitting is the business practice whereby employers take part of the tipped employee's tips and give them to workers whom the customer had every right and ability to tip but didn't. The $2.13 an hour business practice which has been publicized is actually called a tip credit. The tip credit also allows businesses to take or credit part of their employee's tips for themselves. In both cases the public's tips are being taken by businesses owners. The problem is not that customers should be tipping more the problem is that business owners should not be utilizing their employee's tips for the business's interests.

The truth is, business owners are using the customer's tips which undeniably and indisputably are not intended for the business owner for the business's own interests. Such business practices are being allowed by our government even though such business practices are an illegal dominion over the customer's property. To put it simply, businesses are being allowed to steal the money customers present as tips. Now, the public is being expected to tip more because the workers are not receiving the financial benefits of the tips they have been presented.

What is needed is not a higher tip percentage but some educating of the public of what is actually happening to their tip. Businesses have lobbied our federal government and I believe have probably even paid off many of our judges so they can steal the financial benefits of the tips our public is tipping workers in the service industry. The stories you read on how the public is being expected to tip more are actually stories about how our country is allowing businesses owners an ability to blatantly steal from their workers. If the real issue was resolved there would be no issue.

Employers should be prohibited from using their employee's tips to establish a lower minimum wage for their tipped workers. Customers are not tipping so the business can lower it's payroll expenses and thus benefit itself to the customer's tip. Customers are not tipping so the business owner can decide who should share in their tip. Both these business practices are fraud on the public for they are clearly the misappropriations of the public's property. Because our public has sat back and done nothing as business owners misappropriate the public's tips to their own interests, there now exists an undue pressure on the public to tip more to make up for such criminal acts.

The reason I believe our public has sat back and done nothing as business owners reap the financial benefits of the tips presented to their workers is because the media has also been paid off to avoid informing the public of what is actually happening to their tip when the courts ignore the constitutional rights of the customer and when our federal government so blatantly misappropriates the public's tips. The courts have ruled that employers may share the customer's tip among employees whom the customer had every right to tip but didn't. The federal government has allowed businesses to benefit themselves to the customer's tip through the tip credit without the consent of the customer. Such acts by our federal government and courts are not only unconstitutional but criminal. The media is covering up such crimes by intentionally avoiding the issue and keeping the truth from the public.

The tipped employees of this nation need some help from the public on these issues. The truth of what is happening to the customer's tip is being withheld from the public so that employers can continue to steal our tips while the public is left to foot the bill.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: angrywaitersyndrome; bibletracts; conspiracy; crackpot; deeduhdee; looneytoon; mdm; mrpink; reservoirdogs; tipcredit; tipouts; tipping; tippooling; tips; tipsplitting
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1 posted on 12/06/2005 12:33:27 PM PST by George14
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To: George14
Employers should be prohibited from using their employee's tips to establish a lower minimum wage for their tipped workers.

And the Socialist Red Herring Award Goes to...(drumroll)...

2 posted on 12/06/2005 12:36:42 PM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: George14
Thanks for posting this! Good information.

Employers should not be permitted to steal tip money from their employees!

3 posted on 12/06/2005 12:37:59 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: George14
Tipping seems so European. "Here you are my good man. Thanks ever so much for clearing these dishes. Now, be a good chap and fetch me a brandy."

I think's it's elitist and unAmerican.

4 posted on 12/06/2005 12:38:27 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: George14

Not all businesses do this. The people I know who were subjected to this usually had a creep for a boss. Sorry, 20% is all I can afford.


5 posted on 12/06/2005 12:38:34 PM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: George14

My policy when tipping is usually in the 15% to 20% which is fairly standard. However, when I use my credit card most times I tip with cash ... no tip amount on the credit card slip.


6 posted on 12/06/2005 12:38:35 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: George14
The tip credit also allows businesses to take or credit part of their employee's tips for themselves.

Kinda like a commission advance for a typical salesman. I don't see a problem with it personally.
7 posted on 12/06/2005 12:38:43 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Iraqis thank our troops more often than Democrats.)
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To: George14
call to arms!!!!!!

I am not going to be able to sleep tonight...........because of this issue.
8 posted on 12/06/2005 12:39:03 PM PST by vin-one (REMEMBER the WTC !!!!!!!!)
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To: George14

The answer is to abolish most of the IRS and regulations that choose favorites like they always do.


9 posted on 12/06/2005 12:39:06 PM PST by Marxbites
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To: George14

I got no problem with this - as long as the IRS gets a free yearly audit of all people who make most of their money from tips...


10 posted on 12/06/2005 12:39:09 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Whiel I can't speak for the rest of Europe, tipping isn't customary in Germany.

Of course they know where it is and count on Americans to tip them.


11 posted on 12/06/2005 12:40:50 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: George14

$10 per dance, but only if she's fully naked.


12 posted on 12/06/2005 12:41:28 PM PST by TheBigB ("Hey, barkeep, whose leg do you have to hump to get a dry martini around here?"--Brian Griffin)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think's it's elitist and unAmerican.

It is totally capitalistic and very American. If someone's service is worse than adequate, they will get less for their services.

Unfortunately, there are people out there that are cheap and will never tip, and then complain or file a lawsuit when they get horrible service.

13 posted on 12/06/2005 12:41:38 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: George14
I tip as I feel it is warranted in a particular situation. Here in NY when sales tax was around 7% it use to be said to "double the tax". now I tip up to 20% depending on the service but not on the food. the waitress has little or no control in that department. As far as owners of restaurants setting salaries?? we live in a capitalist society and being restraurants are exempt from minimum wage laws....I feel it is the business of the owner to set a wage, not me.
14 posted on 12/06/2005 12:41:55 PM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: George14

15 posted on 12/06/2005 12:42:20 PM PST by Nick Danger (www.vvlf.org)
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To: tfecw

I was just there.

It is customary now, even among non Americans.


16 posted on 12/06/2005 12:42:28 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: George14
I love Bitterwaitress.com and particulary enjoy browsing their shitty tipper database.
17 posted on 12/06/2005 12:42:40 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: George14
I really need some Freeper help on this. My wife turns the big 4-0 on Friday and I am going to take her on a private horse drawn carriage ride through a Christmas light display in a public park. It is sponsored by the public park system, costs $70, and lasts 20 minutes. Is this a tipping situation for the driver, and if so, how much? Thanks in advance for any advice.
18 posted on 12/06/2005 12:42:51 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: George14
Tip pooling is despicable.

As for tips themselves, the good waiters prefer the current non-pooling system because they make far more than they would with a minimum wage.

But restaurants that pool tips and give a cut to the salaried manager are evil, and there needs to be a law passed prohibiting that.

Also, FYI, if you don't tip at least 12.5%, you are seriously screwing the waiter, because the IRS taxes him/her based on them receiving a 12.5% tip per meal. Therefore, if you skip out on the tip, the waiter not only loses out on needed income, but is paying tax on it.

For those who despise all tipping...go to a restaurant in Europe sometime. You'll quickly see the genius of our system.

19 posted on 12/06/2005 12:43:17 PM PST by dollar_dog
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To: George14

So are you saying that employers are allowed to takes tips from the server? I was a waiter through college (10 years ago) and my employer never even saw the tips I made. it was my choice how much I would tip the bus boy, hostess, etc.


20 posted on 12/06/2005 12:43:21 PM PST by loreldan (Lincoln, Reagan, & G. W. Bush - the cure for Democrat lunacy.)
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To: George14

Uhhhh ok,

I usually just give my waiter or waitress their tip in cash. If they choose to share it's their business.


21 posted on 12/06/2005 12:43:32 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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To: George14

Oh please can we do a little more self promotion.

I work in the casino business and we split tips only with those who provide direct services to the dealers. Who the hell do you think make the tipped DEALERS work possible.

The people who clean the cards, sort them, bring the customers in etc. Casinos for example keep no portion of the dealers tips they strictly distribute the tip contributions made by the dealers.


22 posted on 12/06/2005 12:44:01 PM PST by bannedfromdu
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To: saveliberty

Cool, thanks for the update. It's going on 10 years for me since I last went.


23 posted on 12/06/2005 12:44:53 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: George14

Cow Tipping is for wimps... try Bull Tipping.


24 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:08 PM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: George14

Where does this happen? My bartender gets his tip, my waitress gets her tip, my barber get his and I've never seen any one them put the money in the owner's till,pocket or whatever. On a credit card, maybe that's different. I don't see what the b!tch is here.


25 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:18 PM PST by Safetgiver (Noone spoke when the levee done broke, Blanco cried and Nagin lied.)
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To: George14
Is that you, Mr. White?

I don't tip because society says I gotta. I tip when somebody deserves a tip. When somebody really puts forth an effort, they deserve a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, that sh!t's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doin their job.

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Resivour Dogs

26 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:26 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: ClearCase_guy
Tipping seems so European.

You have obviously never been outside the USA. Tipping is almost exclusively done here.

27 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:35 PM PST by dollar_dog
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To: frogjerk

I agree. I was in NYC and needed to get to the airport quickly. I told the cabbie how much of a tip (flat amount) he would get if he would get me to the airport by X time. He did and he got his tip.

PS No hazardous driving was involved or required, but he really took the fastest way. Shortest trip to Laguardia I ever had.


28 posted on 12/06/2005 12:45:56 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: George14

And by the way.....I've been tipping 30% for good service for years now.


29 posted on 12/06/2005 12:46:06 PM PST by Safetgiver (Noone spoke when the levee done broke, Blanco cried and Nagin lied.)
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To: dollar_dog

Just back from Germany and 10% tipping is the norm.

It is a different Europe now.


30 posted on 12/06/2005 12:46:34 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: George14
The reason I believe our public has sat back and done nothing as business owners reap the financial benefits of the tips presented to their workers is because the media has also been paid off to avoid informing the public of what is actually happening to their tip when the courts ignore the constitutional rights of the customer and when our federal government so blatantly misappropriates the public's tips

But what about the Trilateral Commision and the Bildebergers? And something this big couldn't happen without the Pope being involved. < /sarcasm, as if you couldn't tell>

31 posted on 12/06/2005 12:47:33 PM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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To: Forest Keeper

Tip the horse. If you don't, you'll be sorry next time.


32 posted on 12/06/2005 12:48:11 PM PST by Nick Danger (www.vvlf.org)
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To: tfecw

:-) You're welcome. You also have to tell the waiter before he takes your credit card that you would like the bill to include a tip. Otherwise you would have to leave a cash tip.


33 posted on 12/06/2005 12:48:12 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Tipping is elitist and un-American? So we can cheat, steal, murder, sell state secrets, etc., so long as we don't tip our favorite waiter. OK. Sounds reasonable.


34 posted on 12/06/2005 12:48:25 PM PST by BagelFace (BOOGABOOGABOOGABOOGA!!!!)
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To: BluH2o
"...However, when I use my credit card most times I tip with cash ... no tip amount on the credit card slip."

Me, too. A tip under the table is my own personal rebellion against the IRS.

35 posted on 12/06/2005 12:48:43 PM PST by manwiththehands ("Attack (Democrats) until they stop twitching and then attack some more." -J. Peter Mulhern)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Tipping seems so European."

Not sure what you mean. In Germany, for instance, you round out your bill to the next Mark (euro). It might be mere pennies. "Stimtt so!"


36 posted on 12/06/2005 12:48:58 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: toddlintown

10% as of November 2005. I just came back


37 posted on 12/06/2005 12:49:31 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: Vaquero; All

Tip share is bogus. It only serves to allow employers to pay busboys and cooks less money. Those folks are not on the 2'13 per hour scale and the tips I have always left were for the WAITRESS/WAITER for their service. I have stopped tipping alltogether due to tipshare.

If I think my booth is very clean and I want to tip the busboy I will. If I want to tip the cooks I will. To me, those services are part the bill I pay for the meal. A curteous waitress that never lets my drink glass go empty is worth a tip. But she aint going to get one from me when I know that her employer is going to take that tip and split it up with other folks that did not intend to tip at all.

Tip share is a form of socialism in that a work group will all get equal share of tips made, so then while a waitress busts her a$$ and the busboy slacks off(or the other way around) the each get the same cut. Pi$$ on that noise.


38 posted on 12/06/2005 12:49:37 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: George14

39 posted on 12/06/2005 12:50:47 PM PST by gwhiz (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: ContemptofCourt

That's it, I'm takin' my dollar back.

But what's True Blue really about?


40 posted on 12/06/2005 12:51:19 PM PST by Woman on Caroline Street (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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To: billorites

Love the site, I see Pierce Brosnan has made a couple of apperances. Bill=630.00 Tip=8.00, what a cheap limey Ahole.


41 posted on 12/06/2005 12:52:23 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Iraqis thank our troops more often than Democrats.)
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To: toddlintown

Not sure what you mean. In Germany, for instance, you round out your bill to the next Mark (euro). It might be mere pennies. "Stimtt so!"

That's "stimmt so," and I'll admit, sometime ago. 10% now? The times, they are a' changing.


42 posted on 12/06/2005 12:52:36 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: saveliberty
A similar thing happened to me. I was going on a trip and I left my plane tickets home. I took a cab from Jersey City to Central NJ because I reasoned it was the fastest way. I told the cabbie to step on it and there would be an extra tip in it for him. He made it to my car in unbelievable time and I gave the guy a $50 tip. He then said "America is a great country!" in some sort of arab accent...
43 posted on 12/06/2005 12:53:20 PM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Most European nations I've been to include the gratuity ("Service Charge") into the bill itself, and the custom is generally just to round up to the next round denomination. In Japan tipping is simply not done...you pay the bill and if a service charge is levied it's on the bill as well.

Tip splitting or sharing can work well if done properly at the right establishment. First, since a cook's work is partly responsible for the enjoyment of a meal the practice of a waitperson tipping out the kitchen staff makes sense to me, and it's usually just a small percentage (they make a higher base wage generally).

My local hangout is a small place with normally one cook and maximum two wait staff/bartenders in the evening. A couple of months ago the staff turned over fairly rapidly and the owner saw an opportunity. All servers at the bar or on the floor can and do serve everyone and tips are divided evenly. It's a small place and if two staff are on but everyone (us regulars) are all gathered around the bar one server got burned while the other cleaned up. The owner went out of her way to hire staff that get along really well and anyone who isn't a team player doesn't make it past the probation period. Service has gone to great levels and on average everyone is earning more at the end of the night consistantly.

Think...can you imagine a large establishment where customers at the end of the lunch period are all queing up to tip the bartender, the waitperson, the cook, etc? It would be chaos.

44 posted on 12/06/2005 12:53:21 PM PST by mitchbert (Facts Are Stubborn Things .)
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To: manwiththehands

It's probably more effective to leave a miniscule tip on the card slip (i.e. on record) and the real tip in cash.


45 posted on 12/06/2005 12:53:36 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: George14
The courts have ruled that employers may share the customer's tip among employees whom the customer had every right to tip but didn't.

What the heck does that really mean anyway?

I became disappointed to learn that the tips for dealers at casinos were all pooled and split up among all the dealers. That's too bad, because a tip in those cases are definately rewards for good play, sometimes for the luck of winning, but usually for the fun the dealer added to the game.

I didn't realize waitstaff were also pooling tips at some restaurants... I wonder how widespread that is. I have a feeling the neighborhood bar I go to, this is not the case. They certainly make a point to close out all open tabs before they go off shift, so a new tab is started under the new waitress. I'm a very good tipper at my regular hangouts where they know my name.

46 posted on 12/06/2005 12:53:58 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: dollar_dog

Tip pooling is despicable

Your right, it unjustly lets employees who don't work as hard or properly do their jobs, benefit on an equal basis.
I usually tip a little less in these cases.


47 posted on 12/06/2005 12:54:52 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: toddlintown

It is a different place now.


48 posted on 12/06/2005 12:55:11 PM PST by saveliberty (The feed? Senator Ted thought it was part of the Big Dig. It's in the Esther Williams Tunnel now)
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To: Woman on Caroline Street
LOL...I left out some of the more colorful lines...

BTW, great handle. Was in KW for Thanksgiving, and had breakfast at Pepe's (on Caroline Street). Always reminds me of that song.

49 posted on 12/06/2005 12:55:20 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: BlueStateDepression
If I think my booth is very clean and I want to tip the busboy I will. If I want to tip the cooks I will. To me, those services are part the bill I pay for the meal. A curteous waitress that never lets my drink glass go empty is worth a tip.

This is an artificial construct. You consider a table cleaned, and cleaned in a swift manner so you don't have to wait to be "part of the bill," yet you don't consider bringing the food to the table and keeping your whistle wet "part of the bill"? Is there some rational reason for that?

If busboys, hostesses and waitresses, along with cooks, all together make your experience a good one, why does it bother you if they all share in your gratuity? How can you logically single out the waitress?

SD

50 posted on 12/06/2005 12:57:01 PM PST by SoothingDave
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