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Iranian Alert - December 18, 2005 - German Intelligence Warns That Iran Has New Missiles
Regime Change Iran ^ | 12.18.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 12/18/2005 1:52:51 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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German Intelligence Warns That Iran Has New Missiles

Deutsche Presse-Agentur:
German intelligence believes Iran has now bought 18 longer-range missiles from North Korea, giving Teheran the capability to attack targets in central Europe, the German daily newspaper Bild reported Friday.

The study by the foreign intelligence service BND said the BM-25 missiles were being purchased from Pyongyang in the form of kit sets. The mobile missiles, which are based on the Russian SS-N-6 missile for submarine launch, will have a nominal range of 2,500 kilometres.

However it was possible to upgrade them to hit targets 3,500 kilometres away, the Munich-based BND said.

Iran already has Shehab-3 missiles with a range of 1,300 kilometres.

Bild quoted the BND dossier as saying: 'Germany and other parts of Europe could be affected in the medium to long term by the Iranian missile programme.'

It added: 'With longer ranges in the future, combined with the apparent efforts to obtain nuclear warheads, Iran would be in a position to reach all of Israel and parts of central Europe.'

  • Dow Jones Newswires reported that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday there is no evidence that Iran intends to back down in a diplomatic standoff over its disputed nuclear program.
  • Reuters reported that U.S. President George W. Bush on Friday called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad an "odd guy."
  • Charles Krauthammer, The Washington Post warns us that Iran is arming for Armageddon. A must read,
  • Ze'ev Schiff, Ha'aretz examined the question: Is There a Military Option?
  • The New York Sun reported that Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom said: Saddam Hussein moved his chemical weapons to Syria six weeks before the war started.
  • Iran Focus reported that Iranian agents in Iraq carried out a widespread campaign of poll manipulation to ensure victory by Shiite groups allied to Tehran.
  • IranMania reported that most Israelis want their government to use diplomacy rather than military power.
  • Islamic Republic News Agency reported that Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki voiced Iran's concern over the increasing human rights violations of the US.
  • Reuters reported that an influential Republican congresswoman expressed frustration on Friday over President George W. Bush's approach to Iran.
  • Kiarash Kianmehr, Rooz Online reported that some of the passengers on board the C-130 military transport aircraft that crashed last week died of asphyxiation due to the lack of emergency oxygen on board.
  • Maryam Kashani, Rooz Online published several strange accounts of Ahmadinejad's recent trip to Saudi Arabia.
  • Phyllis Chesler, FrontPageMagazine published a speech given before the US Senate this past week: Islamic Gender Apartheid.
  • A photo that answers the question: Where do the Iranian people get their news?
  • And finally, a Cartoon about Ahmadinejad: Mullah's Wild Dog.


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"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail DoctorZin

1 posted on 12/18/2005 1:52:56 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 12/18/2005 1:54:06 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

More of that great German Intelligence. Gee if only we could get the French to help too. /s


3 posted on 12/18/2005 1:54:24 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: DoctorZIn

That's not good. </obvious>


4 posted on 12/18/2005 1:55:30 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: DoctorZIn

Quick. Get Joe Wilson on a plane to Tehran with Mint Tea.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 1:55:43 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Let's see. Will they target Stuttgart of Tel Aviv? It's hard to say, really. /eyeball roll


6 posted on 12/18/2005 1:57:07 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: DoctorZIn

One can only hope that because these missiles have been bought in "kit" form, men will put them together without reading the instructions and have a pile of parts leftover. Hopefully, very important parts. ;)


7 posted on 12/18/2005 1:58:22 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: DoctorZIn
OK Europe do something about it. Protect your own butt.
8 posted on 12/18/2005 2:00:48 PM PST by Liberal Bob (http://newsreak.com)
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To: DoctorZIn

Maybe the Germans ought to stop extending credit to the regime?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539932/posts


9 posted on 12/18/2005 2:03:52 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Liberal Bob

The only thing Europe will do is wait in line to kiss the ring of the Iranian President.


10 posted on 12/18/2005 2:04:32 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: DoctorZIn

Not to worry, the French will schedule talks about the new missiles sometime in the next few years. By 2010 they'll have a firm position on them.


11 posted on 12/18/2005 2:06:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: Chena

as kits?

what about heads? can they carry the load?

this would help explain their ignorance and bellicose statements. also why their nuts are hanging so low. i think its time for someone to trip them and step on em.

imo


12 posted on 12/18/2005 2:07:27 PM PST by jackson29
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To: Chena

Hopefully the instructions are in Korean.


13 posted on 12/18/2005 2:08:58 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Liberal Bob

Exactly. Since these missiles will reach Europe, let the Euroweenies worry about it.

When they can hit the USA then we will worry , but until then let them look out for themselves.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 2:09:53 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Liberal Bob

exactly


15 posted on 12/18/2005 2:10:25 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: DoctorZIn

Yeah they hit europe with a missile and I will bet you will see articles that say..." US wouldnt use missile defense shield for europe" When europe mocked and riddiculed us for building it.


16 posted on 12/18/2005 2:12:22 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: gcruse
"...based on the Russian SS-N-6 missile for submarine launch"

It is New York they want as an additional possible target, not Stuttgart...

17 posted on 12/18/2005 2:12:39 PM PST by JasonC
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To: sgtbono2002
see post 17.
18 posted on 12/18/2005 2:13:16 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Liberal Bob

The Euros already surrendered.


19 posted on 12/18/2005 2:14:39 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DoctorZIn

And they ought to know because they sold them to the Iranians.


20 posted on 12/18/2005 2:17:04 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: JasonC

I am sure they would love to hit anywhere on the mainland of the United States. However the range isnt enough to do so. Until it is let the Euro's stew over it.


21 posted on 12/18/2005 2:18:12 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: JasonC

Iran has submarines?


22 posted on 12/18/2005 2:18:36 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: NY Attitude

they can afford the warranty too..


23 posted on 12/18/2005 2:23:16 PM PST by rahbert
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To: rahbert

Some of the people that I worked with in the Imperial Iranian Air Force had a fair degree of technical talent. I am not totally sure how much of the technical talent remained after the Ayatollah "cleansed" the Iranian Armed Forces of the personnel that served under the Shah. The 8 year war with Iraq didn't help much either.


24 posted on 12/18/2005 2:30:23 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: gcruse
3 Kilo class, quiet diesel-electrics. Russian design.
25 posted on 12/18/2005 2:40:00 PM PST by JasonC
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To: NY Attitude

I don't doubt that a bit. I suspect though that the professional officer class doesn't appreciate being led down a road to destruction by the 12th Imam types. The talent they have may not wish to apply itself to such a task.


26 posted on 12/18/2005 2:42:34 PM PST by rahbert
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To: DoctorZIn

2500 Klicks? Close enough to establish intent. Vaporize em, piss on em, let's get on with it!!!


27 posted on 12/18/2005 2:50:20 PM PST by Waco
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To: sgtbono2002

Don't bet your life on it. Mine too for that matter.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 2:54:00 PM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Chena

Maybe "IKOREA" forgot to pack those handy little wrenches needed to put them together.


29 posted on 12/18/2005 2:56:44 PM PST by Sertorius (A hayseed with no Greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: nuconvert

But that might hurt that great German economy.


30 posted on 12/18/2005 3:33:04 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: NY Attitude

Looks like they have enough talent to build nuclear weapons, however.

Maybe this will get Europe to wake up, but I doubt it.


31 posted on 12/18/2005 3:43:18 PM PST by rbg81
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To: gcruse

BTW, this also puts India within range as well.


32 posted on 12/18/2005 3:44:36 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: rbg81

Knowing the Iranians, I would bet that a lot of talent was imported.


33 posted on 12/18/2005 3:46:23 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Good evening.

Looks like little Kimmy Il has been very busy lately. I wonder how N. Korea turns Iranian currency (I forget the name), into dollars or euros?

5.56mm

34 posted on 12/18/2005 4:34:52 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Iran has oil. They pay in real money.

NK on the other hand runs counterfeiting operations in dollars and yen. They launder it through gambling parlors in Japan run by North Korean immigrants.

35 posted on 12/18/2005 6:55:27 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Were Iran to strike New York our response should be massive retaliation wiping out every human being (if there are any) in ancient Persia or present-day Iran. Their absolute destruction might prove salutary to other kooks, pukes and gooks with nukes who don't know that of a great powerwould mean annihilation of their pissant presence on the planet.


36 posted on 12/18/2005 7:03:51 PM PST by mathurine (ua)
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To: DoctorZIn; F14 Pilot; Light Speed; Paul Ross
MAKER: RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA
TYPE: MEDIUM RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILE
HEIGHT: 31.4 FEET
DIAMETER: 4.9 FEET
RANGE: 2400 MILES
WEIGHT: 28,500 POUNDS
ENGINE: SINGLE CHAMBER SUSTAINER/DUAL CHAMBER CONTROL ~ STORABLE LIQUID FUEL ROCKET
CEP: 2000 FEET
WEAPON LOAD: 1300 POUNDS; CHEMICAL (VX OR VR NERVE GAS); THREE 200 KILOTON NUCLEAR; OR SINGLE 1 MEGATON NUCLEAR


SS-N-6

37 posted on 12/19/2005 12:37:59 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; DoctorZIn; parisa; nuconvert; freedom44; AdmSmith; Valin; Fred Nerks

http://www.iranreferendum.com/index2.html

http://www.shahyad.net/Royal/royal.html

useful links


38 posted on 12/19/2005 1:54:16 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: IAF ThunderPilot; nuconvert; Mo1

http://www.shahyad.net/yahudian/Iran-Israel/iran-israel.html

Iranian centers and places in Israel


39 posted on 12/19/2005 2:03:02 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
So much beauty traded for so much ugliness it's heartbreaking.
40 posted on 12/19/2005 2:47:01 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: Fred Nerks

agreed!


41 posted on 12/19/2005 2:49:59 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: mathurine
In your fantasy world, maybe. As a fact, we are dithering about blowing up their nuke program right now because Europeans might wet their pants, and there are supposedly civilians nearby. The Iranians see and understand that, even if you do not. Our credibility does not exactly stand high right now. We can't even control our domestic defeatists and traitors, let alone weak-kneed allies, let alone quietly hostile great powers, let alone open enemies. They defy us and they laugh at our threats. And right now, they are right to do so - we are bluffing, hamstrung by moral midgets.
42 posted on 12/19/2005 10:19:20 AM PST by JasonC
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To: sgtbono2002
When they can hit the USA then we will worry , but until then let them look out for themselves.

Granted that the Reds in France and Germany are not to be relied upon. BUT, if you hadn't noticed, some of those Euroweenies are still considered valuable allies...remember Great Britain? And especially don't forget how much heavy U.S. national security mech...and personnel, happens to be located in these countries. Not to mention our bases in bases in the Middle East (such as Kuwait, UAE, Iraq, etc), or the Indian Ocean at Diego Garcia, or maybe even the Far Pacific, such as Guam...

Based on your cavalier dismissal, you must not care about them either.

43 posted on 12/19/2005 12:07:39 PM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: JasonC
We can't even control our domestic defeatists and traitors, let alone weak-kneed allies, let alone quietly hostile great powers, let alone open enemies. They defy us and they laugh at our threats. And right now, they are right to do so - we are bluffing, hamstrung by moral midgets.

Excellent summation.

44 posted on 12/19/2005 12:09:16 PM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: Paul Ross

Lets do it your way. Lets go in and bomb the crap out of Iran and then let those same Euro-weenies you are so worried about tell us how terrible we are for saving their ass.


45 posted on 12/19/2005 4:44:04 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The alphabet channels --spying for the enemy.)
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To: sgtbono2002
....then let those same Euro-weenies you are so worried about tell us how terrible we are for saving their ass.

I'm sure they would do so. Except, as I pointed out, it isn't just their asses. It's ours too...

So they would be likely even MORE apoplectic about our "cowboy" behavior...

I always liked cowboys....


46 posted on 12/19/2005 5:48:01 PM PST by Paul Ross (My idea of American policy toward the Soviet Union is simple...It is this, 'We win and they lose.')
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To: DoctorZIn
To read today’s thread click here.

Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

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47 posted on 12/19/2005 8:54:10 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: PhilDragoo

"Your handling of the missiles... and letting that Pakistani Khan run all over the place was.......unforgiveable Vladimirov......unforgiveable!!

48 posted on 12/19/2005 9:25:01 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; F14 Pilot
Bill Gertz, Betrayal: How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security, Regnery, 1999, devotes Chapter Eight: From Russia With Technology, pages 166-179, to Russian missile assistance to Iran during the Clinton Administration.

Each time sanctions were sought against Russia for illegal proliferation the Clinton Administration refused, demanding a level of proof existing only in fairyland, or to those of you in Rio Linda, Barney Frank's district.

Clinton: the gift that keeps on giving.

49 posted on 12/19/2005 10:55:32 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

50 posted on 12/19/2005 11:27:51 PM PST by Light Speed
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