Posted on 12/26/2005 11:04:49 AM PST by Coleus
There are fiscal conservatives, and there are social conservatives.
What are your views on abortion?
Once again you choose to judge my actions as if you know my heart and mind. Thanks for the prayer chain.
Go Big Blue!
To be honest, I fall more on the fiscal side of things. The abortion debate really isn't my baliwick. However, my stance would be the rape, incest and health of mother exceptions.
I evaluate people's actions based on results and facts.
The facts are unchanged. But I am glad your gamble worked. I hope you had a great Christmas. I miss having little kids around this time of year (I used to have some neices and nephews living with me).
I did have a great Christmas, thanks........holster our pistols?
LOL
Yeah, I think we have both aired our thoughts.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
That's was your decision but others may choose to treat their infertility. As for the increased rate of defects, it is alarming but there is also an increased rate of defects in babies born of older women but we don't prohibit women in their 40's from having children.
We got very lucky. First time for us. 36 week gestation.........$13,000 (approximate).
I think that most people would prefer to have babies that are biologically their own if possible, so I don't know if banned abortions would mean no one would turn to fertility treatments
They must mean obvious deformitys.. What about the deformitys they cannot see.. or even know about.. Could be All births are deformed in some way..
You talking the 29 natural births also? Somehow I doubt it.
Then that explains our differences on this issue.
I am both a fiscal and social conservative. I came to these views from a previously liberal ideology. The impetus for my journey to conservatism was the responsibility I felt to teach true values to my children. It's easy to be liberal when it's just you, but when you are affecting the lives of those you hold most dear, it's important to get things right.
By approaching the conservative viewpoint with an open mind, I found it to be logical, reasonable, intellectually honest and satisfying, and, ultimately, compassionate. That applies to both the fiscal and social conservative ideologies.
Everyone has their own "journey". Likewise, my mission in life IS to teach my children true values. Being a child of Reagan, conservatism is something I choose, and have done so with an open mind.
Are you saying my viewpoints are incompatible with your definition of conservatism?
Deformity of what?.. Big deformity, mediocre deformity, or small deformity.. or kinda sorta deformed... many noses are deformed.. and teeth(underbite, overbite etc.), and eyes(near, far sighted, blind), and more..
Actually un-deformed bodies are rare.. if not impossible to measure..
Not at all. You yourself stated that your interest is in the fiscal area of conservatism.
My point is that, although fiscal conservatives often feel embarrassed by their social conservative brethren, they will find that social conservative ideals, if approached with an open mind, make every bit as much sense as fiscal conservative ideals.
It has been my experience that purely fiscal conservatives view opposition to abortion the same way liberals view welfare reform. But social conservatives are not acting out of malice towards pregnant women. We have deep-seated, well reasoned arguments which go to the very heart of who we are as a society and as human beings. It is from the foundation of our very civilization that we arrive at our values, not out of lack of compassion for pregnant women (or couples wanting to start a family).
I believe you when you write that your mission in life is to teach your children true values, and it with all humility and the deepest respect that I pray that you will explore with an open mind the conservative values which motivate those of us on the social right, even though we are often blunt in expressing them.
By your reasoning, I was more immoral having a baby at forty than I was at twenty-six. And people who had babies in the old days, or have them in Kenya now, are more immoral than those who have them today in first world countries.
I am not endorsing IVF, but your reasoning is insufficient to condemn it.
Mrs VS
Try going thru the entire adoption route some time and after all the checks and having the government run checks on every aspect of your life. Then after having the child from 4 hrs after birth for 28 days then have the birth mother decide she made a mistake and wants the child back, your only choice is to hand over the child. Imagine after 28 days someone had walked in and told you they were taking your child but you still have close to $40,000 of bills to pay in expenses related to the child.
$13K probably is less than what many spend on adoption, and 36 weeks is probably also a shorter wait.
I think adoption is great, but certainly won't criticize someone for not going that route. Congratulations on your little one(s).
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