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CRS memo to Rep. Jim Gibbons re: machine gun database
Office of Jim Gibbons public release ^ | Nov. 28, 2005 | Congressional Research Staff

Posted on 12/30/2005 5:21:52 AM PST by BCR #226

A while back, Rep. Jim Gibbons requested the Congressional Research Staff to put together a memo concerning the NFRTR (NFA database) and reported abuses, missing information, etc.

The CRS compiled the memo and Jim Gibbons has released it. Here is a link to the PDF file. http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/CRSmemoNFRTR0001.pdf

This document shows coverups, deliberate illegal changes to the NFRTR database and brings to light the questionable practices of the BATF. Due to the nature of the abuses and the consequenses of the actions of the BATF, I feel that this document shows grounds for a repeal of the 1986 machine gun ban as well as the 1934 NFA.

I encourage all of you to read the document in depth and if you agree, contact your Congressional Representatives and Senators and urge them to support repeal of the above two laws.

This document is quite concerning and I believe that every NFA related conviction is in question now and should be reheard in the court of law.

Mike


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; banglist; batf; coriditeczars; criminalorg; crs; govpunk; govthug; gs2monkeys; jimgibbons; killers; machineguns; murderers; nfa; nfrtr
The link once again...

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/CRSmemoNFRTR0001.pdf

1 posted on 12/30/2005 5:21:56 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: gieriscm; Joe Brower; archy

ping... spread the word.


2 posted on 12/30/2005 5:22:52 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: BCR #226
For later.

L

3 posted on 12/30/2005 5:24:58 AM PST by Lurker (You don't let a pack of wolves into the house just because they're related to the family dog.)
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To: BCR #226
Here's another link for you:

Institutional Perjury

L

4 posted on 12/30/2005 5:28:19 AM PST by Lurker (You don't let a pack of wolves into the house just because they're related to the family dog.)
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To: Lurker

LOL... yeah, I've read that several times. When you read the link I provided, you'll see that the CRS has generously provided more information on the Busey situation... and proof that it was not "misspoken" as the internal investigation at the time explained it away as.

Mike


5 posted on 12/30/2005 5:31:10 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: BCR #226
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6 posted on 12/30/2005 5:36:22 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; freedomlover; ...


7 posted on 12/30/2005 5:38:58 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: BCR #226

HERE IS YOUR LINK NUMBER ONE

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/CRSmemoNFRTR0001.pdf


8 posted on 12/30/2005 6:18:35 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Right to Carry (RTC))
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To: BCR #226; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; archy; Squantos; Dead Corpse; Dawsonville_Doc; ...

more to the point: does this document provide fodder for the repeal/dissolution of the BATFE itself?


9 posted on 12/30/2005 6:42:24 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: BCR #226

Would you post some of the important information as the dial-up crowd may not be able to download the 20.06 MB file.

Thanks,


10 posted on 12/30/2005 6:43:43 AM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: King Prout
One would hope. One would also hope that everyone currently employed by BATF would simply stop breathing. It's not like anyone would notice.
11 posted on 12/30/2005 7:03:02 AM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: zeugma

sooner or later the stench would draw flies, and then someone would notice.

we are being too harsh - surely there are some employed in that bureau who are worthy servants of the public trust.


12 posted on 12/30/2005 7:05:28 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Eaker
Would you post some of the important information as the dial-up crowd may not be able to download the 20.06 MB file.

I think you just did. Dial up download time, about an hour.

Heck it took me nearly a minute! ;)

Off to read....

13 posted on 12/30/2005 7:05:33 AM PST by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Eaker; Chode

dang... forgot to ping you two.
sorry.
need... more... coffee...


14 posted on 12/30/2005 7:06:46 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
"does this document provide fodder for the repeal/dissolution of the BATFE itself?"

I'm afraid that the ATF is far too useful a tool in the gradual militarization of our police forces from the federal level on down to let that happen.

Business as usual, unless we get really lucky.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

15 posted on 12/30/2005 7:10:58 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Eaker

I'm on dialup as well... If one of you guys that has a faster connection wants to post the text, please do.

One other thing, the OIG is currently putting together an audit of the NFRTR... this is a line by line audit that will bring out every single error in the estimated 2.4 million registrations in the system.

The BATF can no longer hide behind their little curtain. The wizard is about to be exposed.

Mike


16 posted on 12/30/2005 7:15:20 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: Lurker

bump


17 posted on 12/30/2005 7:19:48 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: BCR #226
There is no truth to the rumor that the BATFE SWAT team has pop-up targets mounted on beds at their target range.

They're actually in the building entry team live fire facility, and called 'Posturpedic Poppers'.

18 posted on 12/30/2005 7:20:22 AM PST by FreedomFarmer (I should be castrating hogs, but I got boared.)
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To: King Prout
we are being too harsh - surely there are some employed in that bureau who are worthy servants of the public trust.

Perhaps, but I doubt it. The problems with this out of control agency are widely known. Anyone decent wouldn't want to be affiliated with them.

19 posted on 12/30/2005 7:23:47 AM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Lurker

The first rule of a bureaucrat is "Never disturb a body at rest."
The second, "If I don't do anything, I can't do anything wrong."
The third, "When in doubt, mumble."


20 posted on 12/30/2005 7:27:28 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: zeugma

hrmn... spare the janitors, at least.


21 posted on 12/30/2005 7:32:26 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout
does this document provide fodder for the repeal/dissolution of the BATFE itself?

No, but my fantasy would be for the repeal of the 1934 and 1986 machine gun bans and process purchases using the NICS like regular firearms.

22 posted on 12/30/2005 7:33:41 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Joe Brower
Abolish the BATF, Now!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen!

The Second Amendment...
America's Only Homeland Security!

Be Ever Vigilant!

23 posted on 12/30/2005 7:59:26 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Joe Brower
"Shall not be infringed..."

Any and all Federal Firearms laws are UnConstitutional. Period. End of story. The ATF needs to go have the "F" removed from it permanently.

Wishful thinking maybe, but it must happen one way or another.

24 posted on 12/30/2005 8:01:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: kAcknor

I have a cable modem and it took about a minute for it to load up, too.


25 posted on 12/30/2005 8:04:08 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: BCR #226

I am on broadband and it took less than a minute.

It is a PDF file and I cannot cut and paste from it and the smallest file I can condense it to is 17 MB.

I guess those on dial up are on their own as far as my abilities go.


26 posted on 12/30/2005 8:24:57 AM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"The ATF needs to go have the "F" removed from it permanently."

Concur. My study of history, in large part from the work of Clayton Cramer, makes it painfully clear that, after alcohol prohibition was ended, the ATF, which had grown more than tenfold in that period, could not imagine downsizing, so instead it simply shifted its prohibition efforts to other areas. You'll note that the NFA ruling came soon after, and it's gone more or less downhill since.

Coincidence? Not likely.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

27 posted on 12/30/2005 8:28:19 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: King Prout
Re: "more to the point: does this document provide fodder for the repeal/dissolution of the BATFE itself? "

Corrupt bureaucratic agencies will never be dissolved, particularly this one, because this is what it will mean: http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz38.html.

The Second Amendment is long past its usefulness as a check on the growth of tyranny. We have been long past "that awkward stage" that Claire Wolf refers to and don't seem inclined to take the indicated action. Life's too comfy.

Too bad, because soon the tyrants will be employing millimeter wave cameras to search us everywhere we go, and even those who asked permission to carry will be harassed into the noise floor. The next socialist dem that gets elected will have all sorts of tools and precedents to use in the upcoming War on Guns. Plenty of well drilled trainees from the War on Terror to conscript as well. I hope I'm wrong, but the first rule of bureaucracy is, at all costs, maintain the bureaucracy. The "just following orders" of other totalitarian nightmares will be heard in America as "just doing my job".

28 posted on 12/30/2005 8:39:28 AM PST by LibTeeth
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To: King Prout

LOL!

.....coffee...


29 posted on 12/30/2005 8:48:36 AM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Eaker
I don't even attempt to download large files. I am not only on dial-up, I am so far from the switching station that I can only connect @ around 37kbs, and the telephone man says I am lucky to get that.

Living out where I can shoot all I want etc. is worth it tho. I can get semi fast via satellite but the price is prohibitive.

The BATFE had been skirting the law at will for a long time. I am not holding my breath for the government to do anything about it and the media couldn't care less.

30 posted on 12/30/2005 9:01:58 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Joe Brower
I'm afraid that the ATF is far too useful a tool in the gradual militarization of our police forces from the federal level on down to let that happen.

You are correct; the monied power mongers who purchase governments for fun and profit also purchase thugs to protect their investment. It certainly appears that a team with magnificent courage would be required to lop off the head of this serpent.

31 posted on 12/30/2005 9:34:38 AM PST by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: BCR #226

BTTT for later


32 posted on 12/30/2005 10:30:22 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: King Prout
Image hosted by Photobucket.com no sweat GI... damn the BATFags!!!
33 posted on 12/30/2005 1:51:01 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: kAcknor
I encourage all of you to read the document in depth and if you agree, contact your Congressional Representatives and Senators and urge them to support repeal of the above two laws.

Working on a shortened version for those of us out here in the penniless wilds?

34 posted on 12/30/2005 2:19:50 PM PST by Simo Hayha (An education is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to protect oneself from harm.)
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To: blackie
The ghosts of Waco are still shouting down from the heavens:

Is Your Church BATF approved? ...

35 posted on 12/30/2005 3:33:36 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider

Roger that ~ Bump!

Molon Labe!


36 posted on 12/30/2005 4:34:16 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: LibTeeth
The next socialist dem that gets elected will have all sorts of tools and precedents to use in the upcoming War on Guns.

Not certain if you're the first to use the phrase "War On Guns", but it's worth repeating and kudos to you for labeling it such.

"Just following orders" vs. "Just doing my (bureaucratic) job", also rates up there among the many warnings we should heed. Thanks.

37 posted on 12/30/2005 5:46:13 PM PST by budwiesest (Freedom costs lives. Tyranny only asks: "How many"?)
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btt


38 posted on 01/02/2006 10:17:06 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: yarddog; Eaker

I got it down under six megabytes. Still big, but one heck of a lot more tolerable for people on dial up.

The process to reduce the file:

.pdf --> .png's --> .gif's --> combined into one .pdf

http://members.localnet.com/~spamster/CRSMemo.pdf

I can't leave it up for long since it bumps me near the transfer quota on that account.


39 posted on 01/03/2006 11:07:53 AM PST by Fixit (http://comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: BCR #226

See my post, just above this one.


40 posted on 01/03/2006 11:10:42 AM PST by Fixit (http://comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: Fixit

I have hosted your file at the address below. Feel free to give it out and if you desire take your copy off line. It is 5.6 meg.

http://www.tomeaker.com/gun/crsmemo.pdf


41 posted on 01/03/2006 1:28:47 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Eaker
Thanks!

That account only has 10MB of disk space, so it was a bit crowded there for a while.

42 posted on 01/03/2006 1:44:36 PM PST by Fixit (Idease for Pro-Conservative Graphics Always Welcome.)
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To: Fixit

No worries as it is an important document.

The account where I am storing it has 3000 MB of storage and 80 GB of bandwith.

Spread it as you see fit!


43 posted on 01/03/2006 1:50:50 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Eaker

F-Troop once again exposed as the buffoons that they are.

"Unintended Consequences" bump.


44 posted on 01/05/2006 12:53:39 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: IncPen; BartMan1

see link in #4


45 posted on 08/07/2006 11:53:40 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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