Skip to comments.Bush Calls For 'Rational, Humane' Guest Worker Program
Posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:11 PM PST by Icelander
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Excellent point, why indeed!?
It'll surely never happen if we don't TRY.
And, yes, try AGAIN.
Are you just spiking the thread or what? If not, I now know of at least one person who doesn't deserve to live in the United States.
I think a 20 foot tall wall topped with concertina wire and guard towers with .50 cal. machine guns is humane.
The border crashers would know that their efforts are fruitless, and would therefore not attempt to cross. They would also spare themselves the dangerous crossing of the desert, especially during the summer months.
I am going, my own county is "BIG BLUE" :>(
To bring folks up to speed, here is my mini-tutorial, "Border Fence 101."
This is what most of our southern border currently looks like: there is no government-built fence at all. There is often just whatever is left over from some forgotten cattle fence, built privately to keep U.S. cattle from wandering freely into Mexico. For hundreds of miles there is not even a broken cattle fence, there is nothing at all.
For comparison, below the broken cattle fence photo is a sample of an inexpensive but highly effective double border fence system, with a plowed strip to reveal footprints. This type of system is very cheap and can be built with great speed.
Here is what some of San Diego County has: a wall made of rusty Viet Nam-era runway mats. The corrugations are even horizontal, (to make climbing easier?) The illegals in this photo were spotted by unexpected civilian volunteers, and jumped back over the border.
Here is what the border looks like where the runway mat wall exists. Mexico begins on the other side of the ineffective rusty wall, which actually helps the smugglers, by hiding their movements until the occasional USBP vehicle has driven out of sight.
This is how "the game" is played. Smugglers hide on the other side of the wall with their dope and/or their illegals, out of sight of the USBP. They wait for the highly visible white BP vehicle to drive over the distant hills. Lookouts with cell phones and walkie-talkies report on the current locations of the BP units. They know with certainty that "the coast is clear" for an hour or two, and the smugglers and illegals hop the fence and run into the scrub only 50 yards away. From there, they are out of sight, and they walk 1-2 miles to holding houses. Then they wait for nightfall, and are picked up and driven in vans to LA or San Diego.
Lastly, below is the Duncan Hunter 15' fence, which is already being built along a few "showplace" miles of San Diego, mainly near the ports of entry, where panderng politicians can conveniently show it off to gullible reporters. The House has approved building 700 miles of it, which would be a great start. As you can see, the rusty runway wall is seen at the left side, Mexico begins on the other side. In areas with the 15 foot fence, dope smugglers and illegals will have to cross the open sand ("the government road" as it is called) before starting to try to get over the 15 foot fence. It's extremely tough, and resists cutting. Attacking the fence would have to be done right out in the open, in full view of cameras. This type of fence, on the U.S. side of the government road, will give the USBP a barrier to patrol, instead of forcing them to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide-open frontier land, which is a fool's errand.
So true. Which is probably why President Bush felt compelled to play one last night when he said:
We hear claims that immigrants are somehow bad for the economy even though this economy could not function without them.
By deliberately blurring the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants he tried to imply that all of us who object to his handling of the ILLEGAL immigration issue are just a bunch of immigrant hating xenopbobes.
It really pissed me off and if he thought that would somehow shift the debate in his direction all promise that it redoubled my determination to fight his guest worker shamnesty every step of the way.
Americans aren't reproducing like they use to because the cost of living has exploded as well as abortion on demand being a reality, varied forms of sexual perversion, being taxed to death when added from all levels, government overwhelming interferening with education and the family, a couple of generations of "I got to have it now", political correctness, illegal invasion, etc......
Bleah. Minor exaggeration. The point you may or may not get--I can't tell--is that there are two separate questions here. First, what should we do about immigration? Answer: encourage it. Second: what should we do about flagrant lawbreaking? Answer: punish it severely.
A fence like the one described would work. Back it up with more border patrol and it looks like a good plan to me.
How about you use one of these.
Tell me, is it comfortable there in your bunker?
The border issue only matters to a small portion of right wing kooks present on FR. The average American doesn't care about it. /bayourod mode off
The harvesters in our neck of the woods require a small crew of people to clear away rocks, plant waste, field rodents, and the like, as the tomatos are conveyed onto trailers.
You are correct. I did stoop labor as a child...hoeing cotton, picking cotton, cutting grapes, turning grape trays (raisins), picking peaches, oranges and other similar jobs. It was hard work but I liked the exercise.
I think we're going to see history repeat itself.......another limp Bush presidency handing over the WH to a Clinton on a silver platter.
Nah, illegal alien slave labor is a lot cheaper. Why pay for that machine, when you can just use illegals instead?
Do you have a plan? Cuz what we've been doing sure isn't working....
"I guess you missed the part about "bringing the illegals in out of the shadows"."
I guess I did.
My post was quoted from his speech.
Here's the transcript.
"Cut off their taxpayer freebees, (heavily) fine employers who hire them, and end the anchor baby incentive. ......and then watch them self-deport."
None of which will be done under the Bush Administration.
You specifically said "picking tomatos". This machine does that. It's legal, does not require social services, and it creates jobs. There are other machines that perform the tasks you have added.
Typical leftist tactic. Try to focus on a minor point of the argument to avoid having to answer the main point. Or cry racism. You're not getting away with it. I'll repeat my characterization of what you illegal labor slavers do:
"Hiring illegals any other way is fraud, illegal labor practices, and tax cheating. Period, end of. Spin that, pennies."
A lot of people, including the president, have put forth plans or ideas; they all get shot down
I call for a FREAKIN' WALL FIRST!
Then, if the labor market tightens too much, start a guest worker program.
See my post #108
Ah, but that's the point isn't it. Utilizing Illegal labor shifts the real costs to the taxpayers. Some assume they are paying less for the item or service when in fact they are not.
Funny how when the guest worker issue comes up people jump to agricultural labor. The guest worker program will apply to every job sector.
Well....do you (or anyone else!) have any idea how WE can help then?? Writing letters and making phone calls have fallen on deaf ears.
Because (among other things) it's mighty annoying out here among the border states. Mighty. I wouldn't wish what's happening here on my worst enemy.
We can call it, "Compassionate Immigration."
Very high chance of your prediction happening. Damn close to 100%. Bush calling Clinton his "brother" instead of reminding the American public he is a disgraced, impeached, lying felon does not help matters.
I question the greymatter of George Bush. Or, at least, I question his belief in the pro-American, conservative, Founding Fathers, "right from wrong" beliefs in that he is in fact handing the presidency to Scumbagette (an anti-American, anti-traditional American values, anti-Founding Fathers RAT bitch) on a silver platter, as you predicted.
I think the Border Issue may become Bush's al-Queda. What I mean is Clinton refused to accept al-Q's throwing down the gauntlet, declaring war and attacking us repeatedly, so Bush inherited 9-11. If we don't get whacked across the border before Bush gets out, the terror and lawlessness that exists there right now may spread and turn into an even bigger problem than al-Q.
Up until 9/11 they did not even track who left.
Now they do.
It is very easy to just coordinate the computer database of the BCIS to generate a letter to the employer upon the "terminate date". The terminate date will give the "guest" 30 days to leave the country (ala the current bag and baggage order of the immigration courts). If a departure is not recorded the employer is sent a letter which requires them to swear UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY PERSONALLY AND CORPORATE PENALTY the employee has left.
IF (very big IF) they think this out is can be REASONABLE. Those that remain automatically have a felony warrent put out for them and an immiration hold.
I haven't seen him or dane yet. IIRC, they have similar opinions on the subject.
Because they know it would work, and they want to keep that dirt cheap illegal alien labor coming.
I posted to myself. DOH!
May I direct you to post #130.
It almost sounds like Bush is thinking about the old Bracero Program that President Kennedy killed in 1963.
Exactly. It's all about greed and short term profits for the Quislings.
The rest of us will pay and pay and pay for the illegals.
We have been sold down the river.......albeit at a bargain price !
You noticed that too.
YEs, the President acts like a leftist when it comes to this issue. Like when he says "jobs Americans won't do" (at illegal slave labor wages).
That fence could be our country's salvation, but I'm afraid you're right. It WOULD work so they're against it. Bush has had 5 years to do something about our open borders...5 years and we're still waiting. I would have sworn after 9-11 our borders would have been shut down tighter than brick $hithouse. We're still waiting. *sigh*
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Personally, I would rather import lettuce then cheap labor that I get taxed to subsidize.
I American farmers can't figure out how to run their farms without breaking the law then it is time for them to go out of business and sell their land to somebody who can.