Bush: US would defend Israel against Iran

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[MARKUSPRIME]

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - President George W. Bush vowed on Wednesday the United States would defend Israel militarily if needed against Iran and denounced Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for "menacing talk" against Israel. I am concerned about a person that, one, tries to rewrite the history of the Holocaust, and two, has made it clear that his intentions are to destroy Israel," Bush said.

"Israel is a solid ally of the United States, we will rise to Israel's defense if need be. So this kind of menacing talk is disturbing. It's not only disturbing to the United States, it's disturbing for other countries in the world as well," he added.

Asked if he meant the United States would rise to Israel's defense militarily, Bush said: "You bet, we'll defend Israel."

[Salem]

"The same that I think is wrong with supporting any other unstable nation in an unstable part of the world -- it simply isn't in this country's best interests to do it."

Many disagree with you, including a lot of US Military strategists.

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[ClearBlueSky]

Very interesting train of thought in this thread.
If I may suggest this could be looked at another way?

Iran would be attacking Israel on the basis of RELIGION (whether you or the entire group of Founding Fathers thinks it's ridiculous or not).
They want Israel destroyed because ISLAM says so.
They want modern civilization destroyed because ISLAM says so.
They want YOU destroyed if you won't submit to ISLAM.

ISLAM is Israel's enemy, it is civilizations enemy, it is the enemy of all who don't wish to be Islamic.
THAT is why we must defend not only Israel but non Muslims attacked by Iran or any other Islamic nation or group.
Islam is the enemy. THEY have designated themselves so.

Here's a question: Suppose we don't defend Israel, and Iran attacks and conquers it? What then? They won't destroy every Jew on the planet by doing that- and every Jew is still the enemy of Islam. Think they'll stop there, or will every group of Jews elsewhere be targets?
And what do we do when they turn their sights on 'Christian states' that shouldn't exist according to Islam?

Madness! This Roman Catholic female is willing to defend all that Islam wants to destroy. Because they CAN'T HAVE Israel, like they can't have this country, or any other based on a religion other than their death cult.
I am against EVERYTHING that Islam wants.

[judicial meanz]

The same that I think is wrong with supporting any other unstable nation in an unstable part of the world -- it simply isn't in this country's best interests to do it.

With all due respect AC, I disagree with you.

If we removed our support from Israel because it is an "unstable nation" all we would really be doing is giving a wink and a nod to Israels hostile neighbors to swarm in and murder or enslave every single Jewish person in that country.

[Alberta's Child]

For his first two terms in the U.S. Senate, Jesse Helms was one of strongest opponents of all foreign aid to any country. For this reason, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) gave him its lowest rating of any U.S. senator at the time.

He had a mysterious change of heart after narrowly winning his re-election bid in 1984 -- when AIPAC targeted him for defeat and provided enormous financial support to his opponent, then-governor James Hunt.

With all due respect to the former senator from North Carolina, Jesse Helms has no credibility on this issue.

[Alberta's Child]

Iran would be attacking Israel on the basis of RELIGION.

And how is this your problem -- or mine?

Here's a question: Suppose we don't defend Israel, and Iran attacks and conquers it? What then? They won't destroy every Jew on the planet by doing that- and every Jew is still the enemy of Islam. Think they'll stop there, or will every group of Jews elsewhere be targets? And what do we do when they turn their sights on 'Christian states' that shouldn't exist according to Islam?

This has to be one of the most irrational comments I've ever read here on FreeRepublic. The survival of the United States as a nation doesn't depend on the survival of Israel, Iraq, Zimbabwe, or any other single nation halfway around the world. This isn't 100 AD, the 14th Century, or even 1915. A nation that "conquers" Israel isn't in any better position to project military force around the world than it would be without conquering Israel.

[Alberta's Child]

Israel could overwhelmingly defeat any of its neighbors in a military conflict. The notion that a country like Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc. could "swarm in and murder or enslave every single Jewish person in that country" is downright silly.

Israel doesn't rely on U.S. financial aid and military assistance for its survival as a nation. It relies on these things because it can't maintain itself as a modern European-style socialist state without them.

With all due respect, U.S. taxpayers have no obligation to maintain any other nation's utopian economic delusions.

[anonymoussierra]

"Here's a question: Suppose we don't defend Israel, and Iran attacks and conquers it? What then? They won't destroy every Jew on the planet by doing that- and every Jew is still the enemy of Islam. Think they'll stop there, or will every group of Jews elsewhere be targets?
And what do we do when they turn their sights on 'Christian states' that shouldn't exist according to Islam?

Madness! This Roman Catholic female is willing to defend all that Islam wants to destroy. Because they CAN'T HAVE Israel, like they can't have this country, or any other based on a religion other than their death cult.
I am against EVERYTHING that Islam wants."
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[Sabramerican]

Interesting theory, but as common to you Israel haters, so much horses**t.

Israel's GNP is somewhere near $103B, American aid is approximately 2-3%.

If Israel does what you say because of American aid, it's a continuation of a Hanukkah type miracle.

Give the Jews 3 Billion dollars and they make it work like 103 Billion.

The moral of the story. Give all your money to a Jew to invest.

[Gucho]

This Roman Catholic female is willing to defend all that Islam wants to destroy. Because they CAN'T HAVE Israel, like they can't have this country, or any other based on a religion other than their death cult. I am against EVERYTHING that Islam wants."


Bump!

[TheBrotherhood]

And right you are.

WAR IS PEACE.

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

UNITED WE STAND

[ClearBlueSky]

How is thwarting a common enemy- whenever and however we can- irrational?
The survival of the United States DOES, I believe, depend on the defeat of Islam and the militant countries who threaten the world because of it.
This country wouldn't cease to exist if Israel does.
But it will if Iran- and every other Islamic country- that wants to see our downfall is allowed to proceed unchecked across the globe.
We defend Israel- and all non-Muslim cultures Islam would attack- because Islam is our enemy. The enemy must be denied what it wants. We don't have to 'need' the countries militant Islam threatens. We must defend them to deny our common enemy a victory.
Do you really think Iran wouldn't/wont target 'Zionist loving' countries? Do you not see a threat in the spread of Islam?
Israel, little piece of this country, little bit of that one. Sounds like how some wanted to appease Hitler.
Destroying Israel won't satisfy Iran.
And it's 'our' problem that they would destroy it for religious reasons because that SAME reason is what caused 9-11. What wants Israels destruction wants ours as well.
I consider that a BIG problem. Why don't you?

[TheBrotherhood]

>They have the Samson option all set to go, should Iran get frisky.

I believe, by the Samson option, you mean the Nuke option.

I doubt very much they do. Israel and all other roque nations in the ME are not allowed to own nukes. And rightly so.

[TheBrotherhood]

>Israel doesn't need the U.S. to "defend" it against Iran, or any other group of Muslim animals calling itself a nation. Just stop tying Israel's hands. Allow Israel a free hand to obliterate Hamas, Fatah, and Hizbollah. Stop pushing an Arab terror state down their throat.

And I agree.

If they want a long and protracted war in the ME, let them have it. But let's not use our boys to fight a proxy war that is not in the best interest of our country and our people.

[Alberta's Child]

American aid is probably quite a bit more than the 2-3% that you indicate, when you include things like the "loans" that have never really been paid and the tax exemption for Israel Bonds (a tax exemption that no other nation enjoys). Do an internet search on the Cranston Amendment for some interesting information on the details of these financial arrangments . . . most Americans would love to have that kind of arrangement with the banks that hold their mortgages!

With all the controversy surrounding the alleged U.S. pressure on Israel to abandon Gaza and support elections among the Palestinians, I think it is safe to say that Israel would eliminate every penny of this U.S. aid if it could possibly do so.

[Alberta's Child]

OK, fine. If Islam is the real enemy here, would you suggest that a U.S. President who publicly utters a phrase such as "Islam is a religion of peace" in the aftermath of an Islamic terrorist attack on the U.S. should be thrown out of office immediately for rank incompetence, basic stupidity, or a combination of both?

[Sabramerican]

Israel's economy lost many times the value of American aid during the last several years of the Arab assault.

Contrary to what your type believe, American pressure on Israel has little to nothing to do with financial aid. It is much more insidious. It has to do with the catastrophic results to Israel if American political protection was removed from potential International sanctions.

[diverteach]

The scripture says "I will bless those that bless my people and curse those that curse thee."

My suggestion would be to ensure that we keep getting God's blessings by continuing to bless Israel.

[Alberta's Child]

Perhaps. I used the term "alleged" U.S. pressure because I strongly suspect that Israel is vacating those areas for their own reasons -- but needs the U.S. to stand in as "the bad guy who made us do this" in order to minimize the political fallout in Israel.

[af_vet_1981]

This is really going to anger the adversary and his associates both near and afar ...

[ClearBlueSky]

Neither.
Unless you want to rid the planet of every diplomat alive.
I give you the UN- where the heads of nations that HATE each other speak oh-so-politely to each other. Do lunch. Just generally say one thing and do another.
Truth and candor do not mix well with politics.
I hope the President KNOWS better. If he really believes that ROT about Islam then I would say he is a gullible fool re. Islam. That would be a serious flaw- but I'd support him as President otherwise.

Answer the question-- do you consider Islam a threat to our country and culture?