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Unmarried Couple Denied Right to Move In
WWTI (ABC) ^ | 2/23/2006 | United Press International

Posted on 02/23/2006 1:53:52 PM PST by Quick1

A Missouri couple say they were denied an occupancy permit for their new home because they're not married.

Olivia Shelltrack and Fondray Loving have been together for 13 years and have three children, ages 8, 10 and 15, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.

The couple are appealing the occupancy permit denial from the Black Jack, Mo., board of adjustment, which requires people living together to have blood, marriage or adoption ties. Loving is not the father of Shelltrack's oldest child.

I was basically told, you can have one child living in your house if you're not married, but more than that, you can't, Shelltrack told the newspaper.

This is about the definition of family, not if they're married or not, Mayor Normal McCourt said. It's what cities do to maintain the housing and to hold down overcrowding.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: cohabitation; cohabitationlaws; cultureofbusybodies; fornicationlaws; homeowners; marriagelaws; occupancypermit; propertyrights; puritans; unmarriedcouple
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To: Shimmer128

Indeed. Obeying the basic rules of life is for unenlightened squares like me.


41 posted on 02/23/2006 2:11:07 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Quick1

The rules are set. You must be married. They weren't.

Tough. Get married.


42 posted on 02/23/2006 2:11:19 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: zerosix

Where did you see that?


43 posted on 02/23/2006 2:11:40 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: Quick1
Some of us don't necessarily need marriage to know we've made a committment to one another.

If there is no marriage, there is no commitment.

44 posted on 02/23/2006 2:13:19 PM PST by wideawake
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To: madprof98

13 years....


45 posted on 02/23/2006 2:13:41 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas

Sounds like a dumb set of rules. Why should the government decide if I want to buy a house with a few friends?


46 posted on 02/23/2006 2:13:47 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: jude24

Because the govt. sets the rules on who can live there.


47 posted on 02/23/2006 2:14:37 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Gone GF

They aren't parents. Parents are married.


48 posted on 02/23/2006 2:15:05 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: elkfersupper
Marriage has ruined a lot of perfectly good relationships.

A better description might be that marriage has exposed many, many superficial, shallow relationships for the sordid reality of what they actually were in the first place.

49 posted on 02/23/2006 2:15:14 PM PST by wideawake
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To: AppyPappy
It's to keep college kids out. Four college kids can create quite a ruckus.

Well, there's good law for you. "Let's screw 100 people over to prevent a possible problem with one or two of them." Yeah, that sounds about right.
50 posted on 02/23/2006 2:15:31 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: wideawake

Why the hell not? I know a couple that has been together 20 years, and they are better than most married couples. The non-marriage thing isn't for everyone, but for a few couples, it's perfect. Why should the government be deciding for this couple?


51 posted on 02/23/2006 2:17:15 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: rwfromkansas
The government doesn't have the right to determine who may live with whom. That, under modern jurisdprudence, is contained within the fundamental right to privacy rooted in the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. (Like it or not, this is the law.)
52 posted on 02/23/2006 2:17:21 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: radiohead

What if it didn't work out? They don't want to rush into things. < /sarcasm >


53 posted on 02/23/2006 2:17:40 PM PST by weegee ("Remember Chappaquiddick!"-Paul Trost (during speech by Ted Kennedy at Massasoit Community College))
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To: rwfromkansas
Because the govt. sets the rules on who can live there.

And you consider this to be a good thing?

Over-crowding is one thing. If a government wants to make sure 20 people aren't living in a house, pass such a law. But that isn't the case here. This is government trying to regulate who you can jointly purchase property with.

54 posted on 02/23/2006 2:17:40 PM PST by Potowmack ("Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government")
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To: rwfromkansas

Then why is it ok to have one child in the home if they aren't married?


55 posted on 02/23/2006 2:18:04 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: radiohead

If they were in Kansas, they could be married by common law.


56 posted on 02/23/2006 2:18:07 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Quick1

I wonder if this town also has a law prohibiting "sex toys."


57 posted on 02/23/2006 2:18:31 PM PST by Mr. Brightside (I know what I like.)
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To: Quick1
Why the hell not? I know a couple that has been together 20 years, and they are better than most married couples.

Uh-huh. The hyperbole doesn't surprise me.

How many kids?

58 posted on 02/23/2006 2:19:15 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

"A better description might be that marriage has exposed many, many superficial, shallow relationships for the sordid reality of what they actually were in the first place."

That sounds about right.


59 posted on 02/23/2006 2:19:48 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: jude24
Why is that any of the government's business?

I've read stories of landlords buying a home and then renting it out to 50 unrelated people. That means noisy coming and going all hours of the day and night along with about 30 cars parked in the driveway, yard and up and down the street.

I'd bet you'd want the government to have some kind of ordinance prohibiting this going on in the house next door.

60 posted on 02/23/2006 2:20:01 PM PST by RJL
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