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Vietnam war deserter regrets flight to Canada
Star Tribune ^
| March 21, 2006
| Associated Press
Posted on 03/21/2006 10:51:36 AM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr
You'll never hear that from Bill Clinton.
To: wallcrawlr
"When I was 18, I wasn't aware that duty and honor would mean as much to me as they do now," Allen Abney, 56, said Monday in this southeast British Columbia town. "Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have done what I did 38 years ago," he said. "It wasn't worth it, all the pain I caused my family."
The wisdom of age speaking.
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:54:21 AM PST
by
TheDon
(The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
To: wallcrawlr
But, but, but, I thought Jimmy Carter pardoned all these deserters and draft dodgers?!?!?!?!?!
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:55:23 AM PST
by
RetiredArmy
(Democrats: The communist, socialist, and Al Qaeda loving party of America.)
To: RetiredArmy
I think that did not include active-duty deserters.
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:56:56 AM PST
by
SuzyQue
To: wallcrawlr
"When I was 18, I wasn't aware that duty and honor would mean as much to me as they do now," Allen Abney, 56, said Monday in this southeast British Columbia town. I wonder how much of his poor judgment was due to anti-American propaganda by liberal student demonstrators, the useful idiots of the American left.
To: fanfan; GMMAC; Clive
ping
You know I have lived in British Columbia all my life and I never knew there was a town named Yahk.
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:57:48 AM PST
by
Daralundy
To: wallcrawlr
He's a deserter. Doesn't that mean we get to shoot him?
I was astonished to read that they are clearing his record. Makes no sense at all. He made his canadian exile bed now he should be forced to either serve his prison term (or firing squad) or lie in it and stay in Canada until he dies..
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:58:08 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: RetiredArmy
It wasn't exactly a "pardon."
Military deserters and AWOLs could apply for a limited pardon if there were no other charges pending. Under the Carter program deserters would automatically receive a less than honorable discharge ("Undesirable"), but could apply for an upgrade later. The upgrade would not be automatic and few veterans received them. They were barred from receiving veterans benefits, unlike many other vets with less than honorable discharges. Military resisters had to apply for relief within a certain time frame, about 5-6 months, during 1977. Only 4,200 of them were considered eligible for the program; less than 25% of them were processed and received the less-than-honorable discharge. The program allowed for a case-by-case review of potentially another 430,000 cases of veterans with bad discharges; yet only 16,277 benefited from this procedure.
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:59:13 AM PST
by
Lunatic Fringe
(Olfrygt: the nagging fear of being unable to find beer while out of town.)
To: wallcrawlr
He should have been hung on national tv instead of being turned loose.
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posted on
03/21/2006 10:59:39 AM PST
by
El Gran Salseron
(The FR Canteen's Resident Equal Opportunity Male Chauvinist Pig! :-))
To: SuzyQue
But Jimmy was so against war, I though he pardoned everyone in all countries, from the beginning of time till now. I thought it was a UN sanctioned world wide blanket pardon??? /sarcasm still on. :)
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:00:10 AM PST
by
RetiredArmy
(Democrats: The communist, socialist, and Al Qaeda loving party of America.)
To: Lunatic Fringe
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:01:00 AM PST
by
RetiredArmy
(Democrats: The communist, socialist, and Al Qaeda loving party of America.)
To: Daralundy; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; ...
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:03:18 AM PST
by
fanfan
( "We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality" - Ayn Rand)
To: wallcrawlr
I was once again a Marine.
No. You are not. Dipsh*t.
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:06:39 AM PST
by
Spruce
(Keep your mitts off my wallet)
To: wallcrawlr
"When I was 18, I wasn't aware that duty and honor would mean as much to me as they do now," Allen Abney, 56, said...Hindsight is always 20-20, bozo.
Too little, too late.
Go to hell.
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:07:51 AM PST
by
OldSmaj
(Hey Islam...I flushed a koran today and I let my dog pp on it first. Come get me, moon bats!)
To: wallcrawlr
Abney was born in the United States and grew up in Canada, but he retained his American citizenship and enlisted with the Marines in 1968 shortly after his younger brother received a draft notice. He was sent to boot camp at Camp Pendleton but fled to Vancouver during a weekend leave. He became a Canadian citizen in 1977. Something wrong in this story or this guy is bull s***ing.
He's 56 years old, joined the Mariens in 1968 at the age of 18, after his "younger brother" got his draft notice.
We didn't draft 17 year old kids so his "younger" brother could not have been drafted.
I suspect the reporter is just a typical lamestream media-idiot J-school grad.
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:08:13 AM PST
by
Ditto
To: Daralundy
It's near Yada-yada-yada.........
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:08:52 AM PST
by
Red Badger
(And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him...)
To: wallcrawlr
I feel privileged to have shared some time with those fine young warriors.
I'll bet it was all they could do not to drop him where he stood. Traitor.
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:10:17 AM PST
by
steel_resolve
(An intolerant culture will seek to impose it's will on the tolerant one.)
To: wallcrawlr
Well,
It's been 38 years. He's old. He regrets his actions or at least pretends to.
What should we do? Hes no NAZI war criminal that executed thousands. He didnt do any evil onto others per say.
I think at this point the only right thing to do is to publicly humiliate him. Show his face, his name and publicly disclose what he did. Let him live the rest of his life with a paper bag over his head. Besides, hes been living the life of a semi exiled criminal for these 38 years. Going further than public humiliation would be to make ourselves into the bad guys here.
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:12:05 AM PST
by
Red6
To: wallcrawlr
Apply the Heinleinian solution: One hundred lashes from a whip, a dishonorable discharge, and barred from voting forever.
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posted on
03/21/2006 11:13:25 AM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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