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Traitor or ally: gospel sheds new light on Judas (New ancient manuscript found)
AFP via Yahoo ^ | Apr 6, 2006 | AFP

Posted on 04/06/2006 12:41:01 PM PDT by Justice

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Lost for almost 1,700 years, a manuscript entitled "Gospel of Judas" is putting a new spin on the case of the biblical bad guy, maintaining that Jesus actually asked disciple Judas to betray him.

The third- or fourth-century ancient Coptic manuscript -- authenticated, translated and displayed Thursday at National Geographic headquarters here -- paints a different picture of Judas and Jesus.

The papyrus manuscript known as a codex maintains, as the bible does not, that Jesus requested that Judas "betray" him by handing him to authorities, something it says pained Judas greatly.

"The codex has been authenticated as a genuine work of ancient Christian apocryphal literature on five fronts: radiocarbon dating, ink analysis, multispectral imaging, contextual evidence and paleographic evidence," said Terry Garcia, executive vice president for Mission Programs for the National Geographic Society.

"This dramatic discovery of an ancient non-biblical text -- considered by some to be the most significant in the past 60 years -- enhances our knowledge of the history and theological viewpoints of the early Christian period, and is worthy of study by historians, scholars and theologians," Garcia said.

"This process will take time and ongoing dialogue which has just begun."

The leather-bound papyrus text believed to have been copied down around 300 AD was located in the 1970s in the desert near El Minya, Egypt. It then moved among antiquities traders from Egypt to Europe and the United States.

It was purchased by Zurich-based antiquities dealer Frieda Nussberger-Tchacos in 2000, and now was to be returned to Egypt and housed at Cairo's Coptic Museum.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ancient; belongsinreligion; elainepagels; epigraphyandlanguage; gnosticgospels; gnosticism; godsgravesglyphs; gospel; gospelofjudas; judas; judasiscariot; letshavejerusalem; manuscript; nashpapyrus; oldnews
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To: gleeaikin

If Judas did indeed betray Christ as part of Christ's plan, then the suicide makes even more sense.



Not really. It makes Christ seem complicit in Judas' suicide/eternal damnation.


41 posted on 04/06/2006 1:09:40 PM PDT by Tevin
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To: hiredhand
Ya Nat Geo publishes a bunch of evolutionist claptrap I agree. I just find it interesting that a manuscript dating from 300 years AD has come to light.

FWIW I believe the 66 books of our Christian Bible is a closed issue. In other words no other books can have the same authority or will be added to the group we already have.

The article makes one point that I find interesting: The manuscript may shed light on some of the beliefs held by some early Gnostic or other heretical sects.

42 posted on 04/06/2006 1:11:02 PM PDT by Justice
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To: zipp_city

Yep...could be! The "church"...especially around the time people were leaving England to come to the "New World"... was NOT a pretty picture. From what I've read in Fox's Book of Martyrs, I think the correct term to describe it around that time would be "apostacy", or something close to it.


43 posted on 04/06/2006 1:11:08 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Cicero
"But naturally the MSM will jump all over it, as usual, because they just love the idea of undermining Christianity and/or the Bible."

True...and folks need to be reminded that there is good reason for many writings to not be included in the Canon, mainly because they were discarded over the years as not being trustworthy records.

shalom

44 posted on 04/06/2006 1:12:16 PM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: NYer

This may be of interest to you.


45 posted on 04/06/2006 1:12:40 PM PDT by joseph20
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To: Justice

IF it's really from 300 A.D. then it will indeed be interesting to examine! Gnostics?....as in nicolatians?...and such?


46 posted on 04/06/2006 1:12:48 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: gleeaikin
indeed betray Christ as part of Christ's plan, then the suicide makes even more sense.

This was my very first thought when reading the article.

47 posted on 04/06/2006 1:12:52 PM PDT by GWB00 (Barbara Streisand barely made it out of high school.)
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To: Justice
There where many things written by different groups of believers/non-believers/heretics etc., that some will find particular things in, that often may appear at first to contradict things found in the NT. Often over time carefull research shows them to not be so reliable in what they elude to.
Just think of how many millions of Muslims for instance think the Gospel of Barnabas is authentic. And with relish use it to attempt to dispell Christ's claim to be the Son of God.

Don't know how much you have studied in this area, but do understand Egypt was during those early centuries AD, a breeding ground for all forms of off the wall theological contradictions. Guys like Origen for instance, a philsopher claimed to convert to Christianity (AD 185-254), was known to badly mutilate many of the gospel stories. He lived in Alexandria, Egypt.
In short. I would be carefull as to what you take for granted if you do not do research into this stuff. That is MHO.
48 posted on 04/06/2006 1:12:54 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: gleeaikin
indeed betray Christ as part of Christ's plan, then the suicide makes even more sense.

This was my very first thought when reading the article.

49 posted on 04/06/2006 1:12:54 PM PDT by GWB00 (Barbara Streisand barely made it out of high school.)
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To: Justice

Must have been written by the same guy that wrote "The Hitler Diaries."


50 posted on 04/06/2006 1:13:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: null and void

I don't understand. Why is this post zot-worthy?


51 posted on 04/06/2006 1:13:37 PM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: gleeaikin

"He might also have wanted to join his beloved Jesus in the afterlife."

being jewish, would he have believed in an afterlife?


52 posted on 04/06/2006 1:14:46 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: VegasCowboy

"I don't understand. Why is this post zot-worthy?"

It's not. It's an interesting post, and we'll hear more about it as time goes on. There's great interest in non-canonical manuscripts just now.


53 posted on 04/06/2006 1:14:56 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: VegasCowboy; Justice

I think it's because earlier today (just a little while ago) a troll posted the same thing (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1610334/posts). Justice isn't a troll though...as best we can tell. :-)


54 posted on 04/06/2006 1:15:20 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand
I'm not taking a stab at you. I'm taking a stab at National Geographic. They've been at the forefront of pushing evolutionism for years. Now suddenly, they seem to have become Bible experts?! ...or rather experts on those works that were deemed not to be God inspired.

I finally gave up my National Geo subscription last year. I had been a subscriber since the early 80s and had been reading the mag since my school days in the 60s and 70s, but their ever-increasing leftward tilt was just too much. 30 and 40 years ago they printed some fascinating articles relating to the Bible and the Holy Land, but their recent stuff all seems to have a political axe to grind.

It's a shame, really. They used to be a good resource. They probably still are, if any homeschoolers wish to visit thrift stores and pick up stacks of the old Nat'l Geos from the 50s, 60s, and early 70s.

55 posted on 04/06/2006 1:15:31 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Melting solder since 1975)
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To: Justice; joseph20
For a much clearer understanding on this topic, see

The "Gospel of Judas"

56 posted on 04/06/2006 1:15:40 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Justice

I have one question:

Would you trust an authentic document that was written now to accurately depict the founding of this country? And we are only 230 years away from that event.

I don't doubt the manuscript is authentic. I just wonder about the agenda of the author.


57 posted on 04/06/2006 1:15:51 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Justice
All the hoopla about this document is quite silly.

First, its existence was attested to by St. Irenaeus and Tertullian and both ancient sources also attest its inauthenticity.

That is, no one truly believes that it was written by Judas or represents any authentic link to Jesus or the actual Apostles.

Instead it offers a pagan theological viewpoint well-known before and after Jesus - namely the notion that the world was created by an evil demon or Demiurge in order to trap souls in the physical world.

This bizarre cosmology was given a Christian tinge or a Jewish tinge or a Persian tinge or a Greek tinge depending on which pagan cultists held to these specific beliefs.

Thus in a Christian context, Judas is the hero and the enlightened one. In Egyptian versions it is the god Set instead of Osiris. In Jewish versions, it is Cain who is the righteous one. Etc.

This document is a look into the theological strategy pursued by Demiurge believers ensconced in the Christian host culture of circa 200 AD Alexandria.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the world of the canonical Gospels - it is a later, partisan commentary on them.

58 posted on 04/06/2006 1:16:07 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: zipp_city
This could be interesting it this book has not been altered like all of the rest of the Bibble in the early 300's by the church.

Would that be the Holly Bibble or the Ishkabibble?

59 posted on 04/06/2006 1:16:32 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: hiredhand

This was written 200 years after the Gospels and it is supposed to be more valid than the Gospels.


60 posted on 04/06/2006 1:17:02 PM PDT by Blessed
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