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The Judas We Never Knew
Christianity Today ^ | 04/06/2006 | Collin Hansen

Posted on 04/07/2006 3:56:27 PM PDT by rhema

The Gospel of Judas debuted Thursday in Washington, D.C. What's the Gospel of Judas, you ask? Well, it's not a gospel. And it's not written by Judas. But it's still important, if not the most important nonbiblical text discovered during the last 60 years, as a National Geographic Society executive told The New York Times.

The text, a copy of the document written during the second century, reveals some big news. Turns out Judas wasn't the renegade disciple who betrayed Jesus and committed suicide after remorse overwhelmed him. No, this Judas was just doing what Jesus told him to do. Jesus explained to Judas that he would "exceed all of [the disciples]" by getting Jesus crucified.

Well, that sure would change things. If it were true. This "news" isn't what makes the Gospel of Judas significant. Rather, thanks to this text, we can further confirm what we already know about Gnostics—those pesky heretics condemned by early-church leaders like Irenaeus. Don't get confused by mentions of Jesus and Judas. This is no Christian text. The Gospel of Judas did not circulate until about 150 years after Jesus died. Let's put it this way: This new text tells us nothing more about Jesus' relationship with Judas than does Jesus Christ Superstar.

Until the release of the Gospel of Judas and other Gnostic texts discovered decades ago near Nag Hammadi in Egypt, we learned about Gnosticism mostly through the polemics of Christian apologists. Now thanks to the Gospel of Judas, we can further verify two major Gnostic teachings.

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1 posted on 04/07/2006 3:56:28 PM PDT by rhema
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To: BibChr; Caleb1411
The gullible ye shall always have with you.

. . .Nevertheless, some claim the Gospel of Judas and other Gnostic texts throw orthodox Christianity into doubt. "As the findings have trickled down to churches and universities," New York Times reporters John Noble Wilford and Laurie Goodstein wrote, "they have produced a new generation of Christians who now regard the Bible not as the literal word of God, but as a product of historical and political forces that determined which texts should be included in the canon, and which edited out. For that reason, the discoveries have proved deeply troubling for many believers."

Who are those troubled believers? We're not sure, because Wilford and Goodstein apparently didn't talk to any of them. Karen King and Elaine Pagels revive their Gnosticism act. We also meet James Robinson, a jilted scholar who wrote a book on the Gospel of Judas without having access to the text. The Times doesn't mention that Robinson believes the Gospel of Judas tells us nothing about the historical Jesus or Judas.

I talked with Darrell Bock of Dallas Theological Seminary hours before he was scheduled to lecture at Princeton, Pagels's employer. He explained some peculiarities about the group that gave us the Gospel of Judas. Turns out these "Cainite Gnostics" earned their moniker rehabilitating disgraced biblical figures, including Cain, the Sodomites, and Judas.

2 posted on 04/07/2006 4:02:08 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions, keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
Well, if it were true, then why would Judas feel the need to kill himself shortly thereafter?

On the other hand, the Bible does contradict itself regarding the fate of Judas, and even what he did with the money, so I dunno.

It's just another early Christian writing. Some of them were voted as scripture and some were voted off the island. I wasn't there and I didn't get a vote, so I don't know.

3 posted on 04/07/2006 4:05:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Well, if it were true, then why would Judas feel the need to kill himself shortly thereafter?

And when would he have had time to write his Gospel?

4 posted on 04/07/2006 4:10:11 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: rhema

Historic revisionism to destroy the Truth has been going on for centuries.


5 posted on 04/07/2006 4:11:29 PM PDT by manwiththehands (I will remember in November.)
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To: rhema
"The Gospel of Judas did not circulate until about 150 years after Jesus died."

Think about the most sweepingly influential person of 1856 whose ideas had been so powerful that they could bring down empires and have continued to the present day....

Now based simply on what you know and what others have told you, write an account of the life of Marx. Your work will be about as accurate I expect as are the Gospels of Judas.

6 posted on 04/07/2006 4:11:42 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Dog Gone

Oh great, I know I'll get flamed but how does the Bible contradict itself concerning Judas fate and the money?


7 posted on 04/07/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by pctech
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"And when would he have had time to write his Gospel?"

When he was resurrected- but that's not coming until Judas: The Sequel.

8 posted on 04/07/2006 4:16:18 PM PDT by fat city ("Journalists are sloppy, lazy and on expense account")
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To: pctech

Offhand, I recall it says he hung himself in one place, and that his body fell in another. It's easy to reconcile by supposing that he hung himself, and that his body later fell from where he was hanging. I'm sure you can google the specifics easily enough.

It's one of those things where you can invent a contradiction easily enough and cling to it, but it's also easy enough to reconcile in a reasonable manner if you aren't emotionally biased into trying to generate excuses to disbelieve.


9 posted on 04/07/2006 4:20:09 PM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: randog

Judas didn't write it. Someone else using the name "Judas" wrote it.


10 posted on 04/07/2006 4:20:24 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: rhema

Brought to you by Revisionists, Inc. After looking at this arrant nonsense, it's easy to see what group of people are now writing Howard Dean's speeches.


11 posted on 04/07/2006 4:25:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: randog

What a coincidence that they pull this old story out just before Easter.



12 posted on 04/07/2006 4:25:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: rhema

Twisting themselves into pretzels for the sake of rejecting the simple truth. It seems to be a theme lately.


13 posted on 04/07/2006 4:26:23 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual...if they sense scorn or ridicule, they'll flee)
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"Turns out these "Cainite Gnostics" earned their moniker rehabilitating disgraced biblical figures, including Cain, the Sodomites, and Judas."

Does anyone know if they've been hired yet, by the Clinton Legacy Rehabilitation Team???

14 posted on 04/07/2006 4:27:53 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: rhema
So what is the point of writing this article? All Christians comprehend Judas as a tormented man driven by inner demons who was filled with political zeal and jealousy. The real Judas is almost a total unknown. In many ways, he is the toughest mystery in the New Testament. The writer did not introduce me to any additional insights about the subject. I would love to read something about Judas that really opens my eyes. In the end, I'm forced to fall back on cliches about demonic possession and the dark side.
15 posted on 04/07/2006 4:28:55 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: pctech

Believers copying the homework of infidels placemarker


16 posted on 04/07/2006 4:32:32 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("If you go out there with an innocent heart, you're eaten." - David Attenborough))
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To: LucyJo

ROFLOL! Thanks! Great post!


17 posted on 04/07/2006 4:35:16 PM PDT by downtownconservative
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To: Dog Gone
On the other hand, the Bible does contradict itself regarding the fate of Judas, and even what he did with the money, so I dunno

DUHHHH....

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about and are probably as clueless about scripture as Joe Sixpack! ...And where is this supposed contradiction?

18 posted on 04/07/2006 4:36:00 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: rhema

"as a National Geographic Society executive told The New York Times."

Two true friends of Christianity.


19 posted on 04/07/2006 4:36:28 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: Only good for to taking side(s))
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To: rhema
And the process has already begun to slip this text in as an authentic part of the canon. "JC wasn't God's son, just a conspirator. He was sneaky and seeking power and fame. Judas was the good guy in all this. How many other texts are out there that may disprove Christianity."

Blah blah blah.

More anti-religious and especially anti-Christian propaganda.
20 posted on 04/07/2006 4:39:42 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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