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AK-47 inventor: U.S. troops in Iraq prefer my rifle to theirs
Reuters ^ | April 17 2006

Posted on 04/17/2006 5:35:46 AM PDT by jmc1969

Mikhail Kalashnikov, designer of the world's most popular assault rifle, says that U.S. soldiers in Iraq are using his invention in preference to their own weapons, proving that his gun is still the best.

"Even after lying in a swamp you can pick up this rifle, aim it and shoot. That's the best job description there is for a gun. Real soldiers know that and understand it," the 86-year-old gunmaker told a weekend news conference in Moscow.

"In Vietnam, American soldiers threw away their M-16 rifles and used [Kalashnikov] AK-47s from dead Vietnamese soldiers, with bullets they captured. That was because the climate is different to America, where M-16s may work properly," he said.

"Look what's happening now: every day on television we see that the Americans in Iraq have my machine guns and assault rifles in their armored vehicles. Even there American rifles don't work properly."

Some U.S. troops in Iraq have reportedly taken to using AK-47s in preference to the standard-issue M-16. The Cold War-era gun, renowned for its durability and easy handling, is plentiful in Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretzdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ak47; banglist; duh; iraq; kalishnikov; miktim
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To: TXBSAFH; x1stcav

For distance, (300M+) you cant beat the M14.

For close in work, I would have to agree that the AK47 is the way to go.


101 posted on 04/17/2006 7:36:46 AM PDT by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: jmc1969
Mikhail Kalashnikov, designer of the world's most popular assault rifle, says that U.S. soldiers in Iraq are using his invention in preference to their own weapons, proving that his gun is still the best.

Now if he'd only used a REAL rifle cartridge instead of that POS 7.62X39 pistol round.

102 posted on 04/17/2006 7:37:02 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: manwiththehands
The arrogant Russian know-it-all stereotype is not a "stereotype" at all. I want to hear Kalashnikov's claims validated by just one of our troops.

Hate to break it to you but I preferred it to the M-16 (USMC here), my father and uncle preferred it (Army, Vietnam) and a lot of their buddies as well.

103 posted on 04/17/2006 7:40:54 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: G.Mason

Feel free to check for yourself if you don't believe me.

http://www.mp44.nl/weapons/mp44_disassembly.htm


104 posted on 04/17/2006 7:41:48 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
You win.




105 posted on 04/17/2006 7:46:04 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: dljordan

I just got one of the new SOCOM II models. A REAL sweet gun to shoot.


106 posted on 04/17/2006 7:46:20 AM PDT by Lima_Two_Zero_Alpha
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To: WoofDog123

NO!


107 posted on 04/17/2006 7:46:34 AM PDT by squirt (POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED, FOR THE SAME REASON)
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To: Lima_Two_Zero_Alpha

" just got one of the new SOCOM II models. A REAL sweet gun to shoot."

I sold two of my Poodle Shooters (AR15) last year and bought an SA M1a match rifle. Work good! Last long time!


108 posted on 04/17/2006 7:48:19 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Mike Darancette
Americans using AK-47s in Iraq have deniability.

Americans using anything in an Islamic Republic full of terrorists should not need deniability. Just what ever kills them best in any way that is effective.

109 posted on 04/17/2006 7:50:04 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Centurion2000

Ouch! Thanks. Maybe it's time we came up with something better than either the M16 or AK47.


110 posted on 04/17/2006 7:56:39 AM PDT by manwiththehands (I'm a single issue voter this year: illegal immigration.)
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To: jmc1969

Well so long as you don't have to hit anything at any sort of distance and only need stopping power, sure the AK's work great.

But accuracy is another matter.


111 posted on 04/17/2006 8:00:13 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: jmc1969

I think what our troops would really prefer is .308


112 posted on 04/17/2006 8:05:50 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Lima_Two_Zero_Alpha
"I just got one of the new SOCOM II models. A REAL sweet gun to shoot."

I kind of want to get one of those for a boat gun, and general self defense weapon. I believe it could even do a fair job on whitetails in the woodsy farm country I usually hunt, especially since I rarely have a shot over 100 yards, usually much less. Though I'll probably stick with my Remington 700 for that.

Not sure whether to go for the SOCOM 16 or the II.

113 posted on 04/17/2006 8:08:34 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Uncle Jaque
"...Rangers on LRPs apparently routinely carried AKs in the bush, but would try not to use them in proximity of friendly forces, as they had a distinctive report and greenish muzzle flash, which could draw friendly fire....

And don't forget a nasty very LOUD and distinct "CLICK!!" when removing the safety!! Makes it tough for the close-in ambush...

114 posted on 04/17/2006 8:09:30 AM PDT by China Clipper
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To: jmc1969

"This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of our enevy. It makes a distinctive sound when fired."

-GSGT Thomas Highway, USMC


115 posted on 04/17/2006 8:14:24 AM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: jmc1969

maybe his vodka, but not his weapon.


116 posted on 04/17/2006 8:15:10 AM PDT by jw777
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To: dljordan

Do you have any experience with the Wolf steel case rounds? Anyone feel free to chime in. It would be great to save some bucks with the price of brass what it is.


117 posted on 04/17/2006 8:17:09 AM PDT by Lima_Two_Zero_Alpha
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To: mad_as_he$$
I was making 2" ten round patterns at 200yrds with my AR-15A2 yesterday. Wind was quarting the range from my back left->right gusting from 15-25MPH. DPMS Southpaw, scoped, 20" bull barrel 1:9 left hand twist. 55gr SP with 25.7gr of W748. Yes, I can provide pictures of my targets to prove it.

Try that with an AK. You'd be lucky to keep all on the same target.

CETME. FAL. M14. All are far superior weapons to the AK or the AR. But, few want to lug around the heavier ammo, whine constantly about the recoil, ect...

You sit down on the ground going doorway to doorway. Poke your head out and I'll make a sausage patty out of it.

118 posted on 04/17/2006 8:17:54 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Uncle Jaque
That "New" 6.8 X 43(?) round has potential - but is limited by mag and action length. I say ditch Jenny and build a system around a slightly more robust round. Perhaps a G-3 / CETME (recoil op) sort of thing scaled between the G-5 SMG and the full size G-3.

But then again, methinks that you and I may be considered a little "obsolecent" these days.

I like the G3 too, but I note with some amusement the fact that while you are advocating ditching the AR in favor of a roller-locked action, H&K has abandoned that design in favor of the G36 - which is a fancy copy of Eugene Stoner's successor to the AR-15 (the AR-180/AR-18).

119 posted on 04/17/2006 8:22:40 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Lima_Two_Zero_Alpha

"Do you have any experience with the Wolf steel case rounds? Anyone feel free to chime in. It would be great to save some bucks with the price of brass what it is."

I bought a case of .45 and haven't had any problems with them. I've heard some people comment that their rifle ammo doesn't work well with some rifles but don't remember which ones. Of course I've heard people say that the surplus Indian 7.62 isn't very good but I haven't had any trouble with that either. The only drawback with it is that it comes in those little plastic packets instead of stripper clips which I prefer.


120 posted on 04/17/2006 8:22:59 AM PDT by dljordan
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