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The Tempest: A handful of skeptics maintain that Global Warming is a hoax
Washington Post ^ | May 28, 2006 | Joel Aschenbach

Posted on 05/28/2006 5:32:49 AM PDT by billorites

IT SHOULD BE GLORIOUS TO BE BILL GRAY, professor emeritus. He is often called the World's Most Famous Hurricane Expert. He's the guy who, every year, predicts the number of hurricanes that will form during the coming tropical storm season. He works on a country road leading into the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains, in the atmospheric science department of Colorado State University. He's mentored dozens of scientists. By rights, Bill Gray should be in deep clover pausing only to collect the occasional lifetime achievement award.

He's a towering figure in his profession and in person. He's 6 feet 5 inches tall, handsome, with blue eyes and white hair combed straight back. He's still lanky, like the baseball player he used to be back at Woodrow Wilson High School in Washington in the 1940s. When he wears a suit, a dark shirt and tinted sunglasses, you can imagine him as a casino owner or a Hollywood mogul. In a room jammed with scientists, you'd probably notice him first.

He's loud. His personality threatens to spill into the hallway and onto the chaparral. He can be very charming.

But he's also angry. He's outraged.

He recently had a public shouting match with one of his former students. It went on for 45 minutes.

He was supposed to debate another scientist at a weather conference, but the organizer found him to be too obstreperous, and disinvited him.

Much of his government funding has dried up. He has had to put his own money, more than $100,000, into keeping his research going. He feels intellectually abandoned. If none of his colleagues comes to his funeral, he says, that'll be evidence that he had the courage to say what they were afraid to admit.

Which is this: Global warming is a hoax.

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1 posted on 05/28/2006 5:32:51 AM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites
A handful of skeptics maintain that Global Warming is a hoax

If a lie is repeated often and loudly enough, it will become the truth.

2 posted on 05/28/2006 5:35:32 AM PDT by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: billorites

Just out of curiosity, I did a little research on CO2 in soda. If Global Warming is a real threat, immediately outlaw all sodas. The CO2 is manufactured (not natural) and the amounts are very significant. Every burp you make is a nail in our coffin.

Down with DIET COKE! Down with Mt. Dew! Away, Pepsi Killers!


3 posted on 05/28/2006 5:36:41 AM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: billorites
I hate being duped by a "hoaz"....whatever that is.

;-)

4 posted on 05/28/2006 5:37:58 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
I hate being duped by a "hoaz"....whatever that is.

More than one ho?

5 posted on 05/28/2006 5:39:48 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: billorites

Maybe this wil help you decide.

Al Gore believes frvently in Global Warming.
Has Al Gore ever been right?/About Anything?

Now taking into account that even a broken clock is right twice a day, Do we really want to rely on people like Al Gore to determine the way we live?


6 posted on 05/28/2006 5:41:43 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: billorites
The Tempest: A handful of skeptics maintain that Global Warming is a hoaz

That is a profound insight but "hoaz" should be spelled properly for it to make sense -HOSE!

7 posted on 05/28/2006 5:42:19 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

spelled like a muslim hooker?


8 posted on 05/28/2006 5:43:59 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Politicians are like diapers. They need changed often, and for the same reasons.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Hey, they put the X and Z right next to each other on my keyboard.


9 posted on 05/28/2006 5:49:01 AM PDT by billorites (posting the articles that native born Americans won't post)
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To: billorites
"I've been in meteorology over 50 years. I've worked damn hard, and I've been around. My feeling is some of us older guys who've been around have not been asked about this. It's sort of a baby boomer, yuppie thing." (Gray said)

Another section:

Our Friend CO2

Ten years ago, Fred Smith says, the Competitive Enterprise Institute had contributions from companies across the board in the petroleum industry. It still gets money from Exxon Mobil, the biggest and most hard-line oil company on the climate change issue, but many of its donors have stopped sending checks.

"They've joined the club."

The club of believers in global warming.

The executives don't understand "resource economics." They lack faith in the free market to solve these issues. And they go to cocktail parties and find out that everyone thinks they're criminals.

"Or their kids come home from school and say, 'Daddy, why are you killing the planet?'"

Smith never sounds morose, though. He's peppy. He thinks his side is still winning the debate. Look at the polls: Americans don't care about global warming.

He'd like to get people believing once again in good old-fashioned industrial activity. CEI has created a new public-service TV spot. Smith and several colleagues gather round as we watch it on a computer monitor. The ad begins with images of people picnicking in Central Park on a beautiful day. A child is shown blowing the seeds of a dandelion. A woman's voice, confident, reassuring, says that all these people are creating something that's all around us:

"It's called carbon dioxide," she says, "CO2."

There's an image of an impoverished woman hacking the ground with a hand tool.

"The fuels that produce CO2 have freed us from a life of backbreaking labor."

We see kids jumping out of a minivan. There are politicians out there who want to label CO2 as a pollutant, the narrator says. We return to the child blowing the dandelion seeds.

"Carbon dioxide: They call it pollution. We call it life."

Good grief! I learned in high school that we all exhale CO2. Global warming by CO2 is a joke.

11 posted on 05/28/2006 5:50:08 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!!!)
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To: billorites
"they put the X and Z right next to each other on my keyboard."

It is Bush's fault.

13 posted on 05/28/2006 5:50:38 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: billorites
Hansen may be a step ahead of the consensus -- but that doesn't mean he's wrong. In the brutally hot summer of 1988, Hansen testified before Congress that the signal of global warming could already be detected amid the noise of natural climate variation. Many of his colleagues scoffed. They thought he'd gotten ahead of the hard data. Judy Curry, a Georgia Tech climate scientist, says: "I thought he was playing politics. But, damn it, he was right."

Typical of the media and this article: quote an alarmist, invent a skeptic, convert the skeptic, ergo, the alarmist was right.

The article is a poor excuse for a debate or even feature on skeptics. But it nicely represents the media position: alarmism is mainstream and cool, skepticism is "fringe".

14 posted on 05/28/2006 5:50:42 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Nobody likes to get hoazed.


15 posted on 05/28/2006 5:52:01 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@boggles the mind.com)
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To: billorites
The skeptics have a final trump in the argument: Climate change is actually good. Growing seasons will be longer. Plants like carbon dioxide. Trees devour it. This demonized molecule, CO2, isn't some kind of toxin or contaminant or pollutant -- it's fertilizer.

This is what my husband always says - why don't they ever talkabout the increase in land you can grow on!!

And I say, why is Greenland called Greenland - maybe it used to be green!!! (And farmable)

16 posted on 05/28/2006 5:54:34 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: billorites

An interesting graph:

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html#anchor147264

Check out the whole article, too.


17 posted on 05/28/2006 5:54:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: billorites
THANK YOU for linking to the Printer Friendly version of the article.

Those of us trapped in 56K dialup HELL really appreciate it!

Comforting to hear there are expert skeptics out there. You go!

18 posted on 05/28/2006 5:55:50 AM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: billorites
And they go to cocktail parties and find out that everyone thinks they're criminals. "Or their kids come home from school and say, 'Daddy, why are you killing the planet?'"

This is what drive all leftist drivel, shaping peer pressure.

I keep hearing this PSA on radio about heat waves, cold wave, drought, floods, tornadoes, and hurricanes and ending with don't you think the earth is warning us? Change earth to God and the leftist would be all over the ad.

19 posted on 05/28/2006 5:58:35 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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To: billorites

Is hoaz hugh and series?


20 posted on 05/28/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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To: billorites

Bill Gray is the best kind of genius -- influential.


21 posted on 05/28/2006 6:02:53 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (Ain't FReedom grand!)
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To: billorites

Bottom line: Global warming is NOT a hoax. That man's activities cause it or are making it greater IS a hoax and a lie. Spread the word, y'all. We ain't doing it.


22 posted on 05/28/2006 6:02:55 AM PDT by szweig
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PFLR


23 posted on 05/28/2006 6:04:43 AM PDT by crghill
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To: Baynative
A good summary of arguments against anthropogenic theories of global warming has been published recently in Scientific American.
24 posted on 05/28/2006 6:05:44 AM PDT by billorites (posting the articles that native born Americans won't post)
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To: billorites
Hey, they put the X and Z right next to each other on my keyboard.

I hate it when they do that :^)

25 posted on 05/28/2006 6:06:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: upchuck

Dial up is better for the environment than are high speed connections. Dial up produces less BS gas than does high speed.


26 posted on 05/28/2006 6:08:11 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: billorites

The wannabe Marxists are continually searching for reasons to attack capitalism. "Global warming" is merely the latest weapon.


27 posted on 05/28/2006 6:08:17 AM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: sgtbono2002

The 1996 telecommunications act authored by his buddy Reed Hunt worked out real well.
Oh, and suing Microsoft.
I know my computer runs faster as a result.
The end result was destoying 7 trillion in stock market wealth.
Well, not all turned out bad-Terry Mcaulife made $15 million from a $100,000 investment.
It's why I will continue to vote R.
The amount of damage these people (Democats) can do is truly astonishing.


28 posted on 05/28/2006 6:08:53 AM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: szweig
Bottom line: Global warming is NOT a hoax. That man's activities cause it or are making it greater IS a hoax and a lie. Spread the word, y'all. We ain't doing it.

I keep asking for the overall pattern of the Earth's temperature over a 50 year cycle 40,000 years ago (and 80,000 and 120,000). I have yet to get an answer.

29 posted on 05/28/2006 6:09:32 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death </Stewie>)
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To: razorback-bert
It is appropriate that the animated movie "Chicken Little"
is such a big hit these days.

Little do they realize that the general public is much like this ignorant little character. The panic driven media is hyperventilating over the theory that the earth has risen in temperature by 1 whole degree in the last 100 years. Truly, this is cause for dire action!

The sickening thing is, some idiot like ALGORE makes the claim that there are indications that the Earth's temperature is rising much faster than previously believed, goes on unchallenged or fails to be supported by actual factual data.

This lie is beyond the limits of all lies before it. It has become the Mother of all lies!
30 posted on 05/28/2006 6:09:43 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (MSM Creed: "Truth has no substance until we give it permission!")
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To: razorback-bert

Is hoaz hugh and series?

Only if you go to a ho house with biguns and order three.


31 posted on 05/28/2006 6:09:46 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: billorites
He was supposed to debate another scientist at a weather conference, but the organizer found him to be too obstreperous, and disinvited him.

Who? Bill Gray or other guy?

32 posted on 05/28/2006 6:11:40 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: mikeybaby

Your post hit me like a fresh, cool fall breeze! Right on!!!

LLS


33 posted on 05/28/2006 6:13:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: ECM
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, 2Th 2:12 so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned.

For the most part, people who would have us believe in global warming are staunch evolutionists who also believe that the planet is billions of years old and has gone through numerous ice ages and came out of them. The day they uncover a fossilized pre-historic Camaro with a 350 and straight pipes under the hood is the day I buy their nonesense.

34 posted on 05/28/2006 6:14:07 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: Glenn
outlaw all sodas

Wait! You might have to outlaw beer too.

ML/NJ

35 posted on 05/28/2006 6:15:44 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Baynative

Nice quotes...


36 posted on 05/28/2006 6:18:30 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: freedumb2003
I keep asking for the overall pattern of the Earth's temperature over a 50 year cycle 40,000 years ago (and 80,000 and 120,000). I have yet to get an answer.

Paleoclimatology can't provide that. The reason is proxies with decent granularity like ice cores have poor correlation to temperature. So while an ice core is pretty good for telling you about CO2 changes over a 50 year interval 40k years ago, so what? It tells you little about temperature. OTOH, the temperature proxies like sea creatures embedded tell you a lot about sea temperature, but have very poor granularity. So you won't find out anything about a 50 year period, or even very much within a 1000 year period 40k years ago.

Your implication is of course correct, a 50 blip of warming like we see today is part of natural variation and it takes unnatural manipulation (i.e. smoothing in Mann's hockey stick) to make it appear abnormal.

37 posted on 05/28/2006 6:19:24 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: kerryusama04
I read ALGORE's manifesto and heard clips of his latest diatribe, in it he pointed out that World plagues and epidemics like Bird Flu are also caused by GLOBAL WARMING.

Now this is truly astonishing that people would even give ALGORE a thread of attention or credibility.
38 posted on 05/28/2006 6:20:26 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (MSM Creed: "Truth has no substance until we give it permission!")
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To: billorites

Yeah, if we buy into global warming, I can tell you who's gonna get 'hoazed'.


39 posted on 05/28/2006 6:20:44 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: palmer

Thanks for giving me the science behind what we know.

I knew the concept but not the details.

:)


40 posted on 05/28/2006 6:22:51 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death </Stewie>)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Look, pollution is bad and ought to be avoided in the interest of common health. We need to be good stewards of the earth and our resources, but to for anyone to assume that man is so powerful as to be able to change the climate of the planet God gave us in 200 years is simply pompous and tantamount to idolatry. Al Gore and his ilk are nothing but modern day Druids who propogate belief in fairy tales in order to scare their followers into giving them power.


41 posted on 05/28/2006 6:25:48 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: billorites
Fact is, this admission is a MAJOR departure from all of the previous PROPAGANDA that virtually Every Scientist on the Face of the Planet Agrees that Global Warming is a Major Issue...  Progress is obviously being made against the Enviro-FRAUD!

It's time Americans understood that the REAL agenda behind the Enviro "Greens" is to attack, and to control American business and Industry.  To completely DESTROY the American Economy...

· US Senate Radicals attempt to continue Global Warming PROPAGANDA (Global Warming is a Scientific FRAUD, Fed Data Quality Act attacked)
· Nobody Told the Birds About Global Warming
· Arctic Sea Ice Not Melting (How fraud is routinely used in green)
· Environmentalism's Dangerous Campaign for "Safety" (Always citing "POTENTIAL" problems to destroy and control business)
· Putin adviser says Kyoto 'smoke screen' (Treaty will create Soviet-style 'monster' threatening freedom)
· Michael Crichton Takes on Global Warming in Latest Work (Author Says Environmentalists Are 'Fomenting False Fears')
· The Kyoto Protocol is Dead
· A Haunting We Will Go (The Silliness of Regulating Greenhouse Gases)
· GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD (Designed To Undermine US Economy)
· Conservative GOP Senator Again Blasts Enviromentalist Fearmongers (Exposes the Corruption and FRAUD of Green)
· The Rainforest Action Network's real target is the Third World's poor (Destroying the Poor to Advance a Political Agenda)
· Mercury in Fish Overblown (Eco Propaganda about Mercury levels in Fish)
· Nation Descends into Mercury Madness (More Eco Propaganda about Mercury's harmful effects)
· Earth Day - Eco-Communist Propaganda (Greens and their subversion of America)
· Global Warming faces State of Fear (Debate over Global Warming propaganda has Eco-Communists FURIOUS)
· Climatologists Are Split on Global Warming (About 50 - 50) (Eco-Communist PROPAGANDA claims 100% agreement)
· The Global Warming Hoax (The Anti-Capitalist CON of Global Warming)
· Terminating the Economy - How Greens try to Destroy Capitalism
· Whacko Environmentalism and the Link to Columbia Shuttle Disaster
· The Theology of Global Warming (How the Global Warming Con is designed to attack capitalism)
· Who is afraid of scientific methods? (Why Eco-Communists do not want to apply science to "Global Warming")
· Katrina Kicks Up Storm of Global Warming Debate (Global Warming being shown as a UNITED NATIONS FRAUD)
· Goodbye to Anthropogenic Global Warming (PROOF that Global Warming is an Anti-Capitalist Con...)
· HILARIOUS Environmental Humor (Actual Correspondence about a Michigan Resident's Dam Building Project in the Creek)
· INHOFE DELIVERS FIRST OF FOUR SPEECHES ON CLIMATE CHANGE (1 of 4 Speeches showing the FRAUD of Global Warming "Science")
· INHOFE DELIVERS SECOND OF FOUR SPEECHES ON CLIMATE CHANGE (2 of 4 on dismantling the four pillars of climate change alarmism)
· INHOFE DELIVERS THIRD OF FOUR SPEECHES ON CLIMATE CHANGE (3 of 4 speeches on dismantling the four pillars of climate change alarmism)
· INHOFE DELIVERS FINAL “FOUR PILLARS” SPEECH (4 of 4 speech on dismantling Climate Change Alarmism)

 

42 posted on 05/28/2006 6:28:44 AM PDT by woodb01 (ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: billorites
Great article.

I think most of us see global warming as FUD by those seeking greater control of our lives and resources -- i.e. wealth, prestige and power for themselves without doing any real work, sorta like the scientists in Atlas Shrugged.

Now, I've said this before but we should go along with them just a bit, advocating plans that inarguably cut CO2 but affect causes they generally considered untouchable..

This actually seems to be working with nukes.

Another one would be breaking the bottlenecks at the West Coast ports, which would also break the extreme left unions that control them, and of course cutt CO2 and SAVE OUR CHILDREN lol.

Another would be exempting home offices of telecomunters from OSHA regs and indemnifying businesses from lawsuits caused by accidents at the homes of employees telecommuting. Granted the Dem trial lawyers won't like it but we must encourage telecommuting to cut CO2 emissions and SAVE OUR CHILDREN!!!

You get the point.

And you know what? A sincere believer in global warming will support these things without compromise. If the left refuses, I guess global warming isn't such a big deal LOL.

43 posted on 05/28/2006 6:31:06 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: atomicweeder
The wannabe Marxists are continually searching for reasons to attack capitalism...

Thats b/c Marxism thrives --no, scratch that-- Marxism requires crisis. Any kind will do: global warming, cooling, acid rain, ozone hole, overpopulation, energy dependence, water pollution, air pollution, snail darters, spotted owls...you name. It's all grist to their mill.

Case in point: Everyone reading this knows that the last thing leftists/liberals/environmentalists would ever want is for someone to come up with a safe, cheap, nonpolluting, endlessly renewable source of energy readily available to one and all.

44 posted on 05/28/2006 6:31:57 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: szweig
Bottom line: Global warming is NOT a hoax. That man's activities cause it or are making it greater IS a hoax and a lie. Spread the word, y'all. We ain't doing it.

Sorry, but global warming is a hoaz, the warming stopped in 1998, but of course is never mentioned. Not that the world hasn't warmed up some from the last ice age and, more recently, from the mini ice age that ended about 1850, but as of right now it is not warming. The warming it did in the 20th century was miniscule and never posed any threat to the planet.

On the other hand you are entirely correct about it not being man made, warming trends and ice ages are common in our past and there is no reason to assume they will not be common in our future.

45 posted on 05/28/2006 6:32:06 AM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: billorites
Global warming is not a hoax. It is yet another avenue being pursued to destroy western civilization.

A hoax is usually a playful attempt to gain advantage; the global warming movers are vindictive of free peoples and demonstrate malice aforethought with every new resolution or law they jam through deliberative bodies.

They have neutered ability to expand energy production and now only wait as increasing populations and demand bring the western democratic nations to chaos and tyranny.

46 posted on 05/28/2006 6:33:52 AM PDT by mmercier (bungee jumping into the abyss)
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Much of his government funding has dried up. He has had to put his own money, more than $100,000, into keeping his research going. He feels intellectually abandoned. If none of his colleagues comes to his funeral, he says, that'll be evidence that he had the courage to say what they were afraid to admit.

Which is this: Global warming is a hoax.

Michael Crichton Is Right!

47 posted on 05/28/2006 6:34:38 AM PDT by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Never hear a word from Gore about natural CO2 producers like volcanoes. We have large levels of activity and lots of gasses.

What I would like Him to address is that if we don't do something quickly, we could have the same kind of thing here as happened with the global warming on Mars. There's just one small bit of ice cap left there. We don't want the same thing happening here.
48 posted on 05/28/2006 6:39:54 AM PDT by lrb111 (Minutemen - Doing jobs the White House won't do.)
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To: Tribune7
I think one of the most intriguing critiques I've heard about the entire global warming phenomenon is the one that views it in light of society's move from a traditionally religious base towards that of increased secularization.

The need for feeling part of something eternal, greater than one's self remains, however, and in the place of religion the worship of "environmentalism" has arisen.

It mimics, almost exactly, the structure of traditional religions.

There was a time of Paradise call preindustrialization.

Then came a fall from grace, an expulsion from the garden called the rise of carbon based society.

Finally, there will be peace in Heaven when we achieve an idyllic state called "sustainability."

It's interesting that in those countries where people have fled from church attendance, Western Europe for example, are precisely those countries where the cult of environmentalism is most popular.

49 posted on 05/28/2006 6:40:47 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: raybbr
There's an image of an impoverished woman hacking the ground with a hand tool. "The fuels that produce CO2 have freed us from a life of backbreaking labor."

The anti global warming regime will allow vaguely defined institutions to control national economies. One more step in eradicating national sovereignty.

50 posted on 05/28/2006 6:41:19 AM PDT by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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