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Church mulls 'phrasing' change for Holy Trinity
The Washington Times ^ | June 20, 2006 | Richard Ostling

Posted on 06/20/2006 4:35:44 AM PDT by pageonetoo

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To: AD from SpringBay
Fits nicely with their women bishops.

Wrong denomination.

61 posted on 06/20/2006 5:59:11 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Protagoras
God is in control, not Satan.

Yes, God is in complete control - Satan is proud & thinks he has the upper hand. God will have the last laugh!

62 posted on 06/20/2006 5:59:28 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Tenacious 1
The best explanation I have ever heard about the Trinity is based on the three states of matter. Water is a good example because we are all familiar with water at RT (liquid), ice (solid), and steam (gas). These three states of water look different and have different properties, but they are all forms of water and can be converted from one to the other simply by changing the temperature. In a similar way, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one and the same God, just in different forms. Since I have taught Chemistry for over 20 years, I wish that I could claim credit for thinking of this myself, but I have to give credit to a former Associate Pastor.

BTW, my father was a Presbyterian minister for almost 30 years in NC. He retired in 1975 and died in 1978, but I am sure that he is rolling over in his grave now at what is going on in the PCUSA. The local church member does not always know what is happening in the denomination at large, but I realized that the PCUSA had left me almost 20 years ago when GHW Bush was running against Dukakis. I received a copy of "The Presbyterian Survey" which had both of the platforms of the candidates, as well as the position of the PCUSA on the same issues. The positions of Dukakis and the PCUSA were nearly identical! I decided that, although I had been brought up in that denomination, I could no longer support it. I am now a Methodist, a denomination which receives quite a bit of criticism on this blog, but which is, in the south at least, still pretty conservative. At least, we still have "Onward Christian Soldiers" and "Faith of Our Fathers" in the Methodist hymnal!

63 posted on 06/20/2006 5:59:40 AM PDT by srmorton
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To: VRWCer

Prolly so - I think I was channeling Peace MoonBeam when I wrote that...


64 posted on 06/20/2006 5:59:46 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rugged individualists of the world, unite!)
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To: Little Ray
I'm so glad I'm not a Presbyterian any more.

Perhaps if you had stayed and fought, and others joined you, the denomination wouldn't be in this mess.

65 posted on 06/20/2006 6:00:52 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
"Lover, Beloved, Love"

Well I've never read that one in the Bible...Oh that's right...These whacked out religions don't need no stinkin' Bible...They make it us as they go along...

66 posted on 06/20/2006 6:01:04 AM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Moe, Larry & Curly?


67 posted on 06/20/2006 6:02:46 AM PDT by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

PCAUSA members get out of your church, now! This is a result of rationalism and liberalism which has taken over almost all large, mainline churches. You cannot be saved by baptism in the name of the "Mother, Child and Womb." Get out now!


68 posted on 06/20/2006 6:03:23 AM PDT by Lutheran Loft II
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To: Lutheran Loft II

Rationalism and liberalism has taken over most mainline, large churches, my church body included. Mine is usually about 20 years behind the rest.


69 posted on 06/20/2006 6:05:20 AM PDT by Lutheran Loft II
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
It's no surprise that the apostle Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, identified ones such as these who would change GOD's Word to fit their own desires.

2Timothy 3:1 -- But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these {men} also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also.

2Tim 3:13 But evil men and impostors will proceed {from bad} to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but {wanting} to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

70 posted on 06/20/2006 6:13:55 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: Lutheran Loft II
PCAUSA members get out of your church, now!

Some don't cut and run, some stay and fight. When it's time to leave, the faithful will leave. But not on the urging of those outside our denomination.

71 posted on 06/20/2006 6:14:17 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: pageonetoo

Good 1


72 posted on 06/20/2006 6:14:22 AM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Lutheran Loft II

Note: PCUSA did not adopt this form. They simply agreed to listen to the idea of allowing the changing of the language. The whole denomination has to vote on changing the language.

Presbyterians are always reluctant to tell their member churches how to behave.


73 posted on 06/20/2006 6:14:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: srmorton

[The best explanation I have ever heard about the Trinity is based on the three states of matter. Water is a good example because we are all familiar with water at RT (liquid), ice (solid), and steam (gas).]

I am going to use that. I had never heard it.

I am Catholic and have problems with the leadership in my church as well. Like a good conservative, I remain loyal while actively trying to improve that which I am committed to. The Catholic church, like a tower in Italy began to lean as John Paul aged back in the late 80s.

It is interesting to compare and contrast.

To many/most, Allah has matured/evolved into a fire breathing beast that directs his followers to torture and murder those that do not believe in him while securing power and spewing propoganda. To his followers that murder in his name, hundreds of slutty virgins await their arrival in the afterlife.

Christians now have this fuzzy cumbaya image of Christ. I guess we had our violent historical evolutionary understanding (Crusades).


74 posted on 06/20/2006 6:14:40 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Not today.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
Church mulls 'phrasing' change...

Ah. Well here's my phrasing change...Until now I referred to them as 'heretics', but I think I'll tweak that just a tad and hereafter call them 'damned heretics'.

75 posted on 06/20/2006 6:16:22 AM PDT by opus86
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
Matthew 12:31-32
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Luke 12:10
But unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


It appears the leaders of this "church" a treading on thin ice, and may have even crashed through.
76 posted on 06/20/2006 6:16:59 AM PDT by reegs
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To: Triggerhippie

Don't forget the classic:

Tom, Dick & Harry!

I left the Presbyterian Church when they told me I needed to be a good Christian and turn in all my guns!


77 posted on 06/20/2006 6:17:51 AM PDT by catman67
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

Well don't tell the H.S. about his name change. He could pull down the wrath of you know who.


78 posted on 06/20/2006 6:24:53 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Murder, Suicide, Misogyny, Slavery are the Pillars of islam)
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To: Protagoras
Some don't cut and run, some stay and fight. When it's time to leave, the faithful will leave. But not on the urging of those outside our denomination.

As a Catholic dealing with the sometimes inexplicable reasoning with the current crop of US bishops, I can sympathize with your position on this.

Best of luck with your fight for orthodoxy.

79 posted on 06/20/2006 6:27:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: MarkL

I personally think that it is Satan working as fast as he can in as many churches that will go along with him. I am grateful that I am in a PCA church


80 posted on 06/20/2006 6:30:25 AM PDT by Bizzy Bugz ("If you cannot get what you like, Why not try to like what you get." ANONYMOUS)
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