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Something's Different in Iraq: Tipping Point Reached?
Global Politician ^ | 6/26/2006 | Nicholas M. Guariglia

Posted on 06/26/2006 9:52:58 AM PDT by Icitinuris

"Every conflict reaches a tipping point. More often than not, historians would vouch, that tipping point need not be anywhere near the end of an ongoing war. It could be said, before Okinawa, prior to the bodies at Iwo Jima, before the firebombing of Tokyo, prior to MacArthur's return to the Philippines, and years before Truman's early August atomic decision, Japanese defeat was sowed at Midway. Ditto that in the European theater in the aftermath of D-Day, some eleven months before the fall of the Third Reich: turning points, they were, leaving only the question of how much time, treasure, an d blood was to from there on be lost.

And now events in the supposed Iraqi quagmire indicate something is changing in that oil-rich cradle of civilization. With the death of the most dangerous man in Iraq - perhaps the world - and the final formation of the permanent Iraqi government, obstructionists here at home have had a hard time glossing over the importance of such successes. This, coupled with a surprise trip from Mr. Bush to Baghdad to meet the Iraqi leader and his newly assembled team, was all good and significant news. There is something inspiring - toppled statues of fascists and purple ink-stained fingers of Muslim women enjoying their suffrage - in seeing the world's most powerful symbol of democratic freedom meeting, face-to-face, with the first genuinely and democratically elected Arab prime minister. The unusualness of such an occurrence, in and of itself, could perhaps constitute its own turning point amidst a great and violent struggle.

But there is something else in the air -

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It is about time that our success in dealing with this situation be told to the American public, not in a bellicose manner as is so often made by the liberal media exercise in neuro linguistic programing, no more, in a clear concise manner the facts need to be laid out. It is sad that we see the "Breaking News" today as the revelation regarding the S.W.I.F.T. system to counter the declassification of the found WMD. This article reveals in an unvarnished manner the facts, That WE ARE WINNING, that our strength, courage and commitment are winning the day. Let us hope that we will show the same Strength when defending our freedoms here at home not letting the media, any religious faction (Muslim or Christan), Government decide in the name of any cause to take away our freedoms our rights.
1 posted on 06/26/2006 9:52:59 AM PDT by Icitinuris
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To: Icitinuris

Talk to boots on the ground and they'll tell you how much has been accomplished in such a short time. They all say it's amazing...and that the people of Iraq are changing in such a positive way. ;o)


2 posted on 06/26/2006 9:55:37 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Icitinuris

I'd say Welcome to FR if my neuro linguistic programming allows it.


3 posted on 06/26/2006 9:56:44 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Icitinuris

bttt


4 posted on 06/26/2006 9:58:45 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Icitinuris; Allegra
*ping*

What's your take, Allegra?
5 posted on 06/26/2006 10:01:31 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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To: Icitinuris

The tipping point as far as I'm concerned occured on day one we went into Iraq. There was no doubt in my mind where it would lead and that we would not fail. All it really took was the will to do what had to be done, THAT was the tipping point in the war on terror, to do what had to be done to win.


6 posted on 06/26/2006 10:02:07 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Icitinuris; oldglory; MinuteGal; mcmuffin

bttt


7 posted on 06/26/2006 10:03:59 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Icitinuris

"It could be said, before Okinawa, prior to the bodies at Iwo Jima, before the firebombing of Tokyo, prior to MacArthur's return to the Philippines, and years before Truman's early August atomic decision, Japanese defeat was sowed at Midway."

Has been for decades, Mr. Author. Where have you been?


8 posted on 06/26/2006 10:04:03 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: reagan_fanatic

She's probably asleep........


9 posted on 06/26/2006 10:05:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Icitinuris
The world will see an expeditionary force of a larger, quarter-million strong Arab army –– the most professional, U.S.-trained, army in the region –– war against the underground IED and suicide vest. This operation will be large, heavy-handed, and righteously devastating.
Here's wishing them good hunting.
10 posted on 06/26/2006 10:05:52 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Icitinuris

"Tipping point". A REAL tipping point would be the realization among the vast majority of Muslims that the "Islamic" jihadists are NOT representatives of divine guidance. Every day, they erode their own base of moral rectitude, as much by the destruction of fellow Muslims as by their unrelenting display of total hostility to any other belief system in the world. It is almost as if any compromise with opponents with whom they are in conflict, will surely result in their personal demise.

The path of the True Believer is a troubled one at times.


11 posted on 06/26/2006 10:06:54 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Icitinuris
"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like it has happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day and its intelligence information increases. By God, this is suffocation!"

Sounds a little like Murtha, doesn't it? But it's actually Zarqari to Osama before Zarqari was eliminated.

12 posted on 06/26/2006 10:09:07 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Icitinuris
Ditto that in the European theater in the aftermath of D-Day, some eleven months before the fall of the Third Reich: turning points

Not even close - Stalingrad was the tipping point for the Germans in WWII

13 posted on 06/26/2006 10:13:00 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
But there is something else in the air - not a wave of euphoria, for violence will still surely continue, but a realization that this is no longer just an American war. With the Iraqi cabinet formed –– and the defense, interior, and national security ministries filled - we now have names and faces we can rightly associate with when speaking of joint U.S.-Iraqi counterterrorism efforts.

I so agree and have said similar things on here in recent days.

But I'll go a step further and say that we can see things going in a different direction as well. The terrorist network is staring to come apart. They're on the run more and more lately.

It's been violent in Baghdad over the last couple of weeks because U.S. and Iraqi troops are on the offensive now and are determined to clean it up. And they're having quite a lot of success. But the current violence is nothing like it used to be during ramped-up phases.

It's definitely different around here over the last month or so. The country is really starting to accelerate forward and I have no doubt that this is going to work.

Sooner rather than later.

14 posted on 06/26/2006 10:13:58 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Red Badger
She's probably asleep........

It's only 9:15 p.m. ;-)

15 posted on 06/26/2006 10:15:28 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Allegra

Your post made my day.


16 posted on 06/26/2006 10:18:16 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Allegra

Early to bed, early to rise............


17 posted on 06/26/2006 10:18:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: hsalaw

That's the beauty of for us/agin' us. Any nation offering AQ bed and board is next on the invasion list. Excellent deterrent.


18 posted on 06/26/2006 10:19:07 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Icitinuris
Midways was our "hump" in WW2. It was not a tipping point. The tipping point of WW2, when the Axis began to loose, was December 7, 1941.

The key thing to remember is that we can still lose.
19 posted on 06/26/2006 10:21:38 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Allegra

Good luck over there. It's nice to get some inside info without the damn MSM filter.


20 posted on 06/26/2006 10:21:57 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Icitinuris
Murtha, Kerry, Dean and the rest of the defeatist of the DEMONICrat party have lengthened this war by at least a year. The terrorists will hang on until our November elections hoping for a Democrat Congress that will cut and run. They know this is the only way they can win. The Democrat party is thus giving aid and succor to the enemy that is trying to kill my son and his brothers in arms in Iraq. The Democrats have blood on their hands. It is the blood of American Military Men and countless Iraqi soldiers and civilians. The Democrat party has crossed the line of treason, as has their mouth piece the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times and CBS, ABC, NBC, and in particular CNN. They are without honor, shame nor patriotism. Their actions kill American Soldiers and they know it!

There are two wars going on. One in Iraq and one in the Media of the United States.
21 posted on 06/26/2006 10:23:47 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: Icitinuris

There have been several tipping points: the capture of Saddam, the first successful voting, the reelection of Bush. Perhaps the next tipping point will be the November elections, when the dems get routed again.

I think in a hundred years the Iraq vets will be remembered alongside the Vally Forge vets.


22 posted on 06/26/2006 10:24:29 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Red Badger
Early to bed, early to rise............

I'm late to bed, early to rise. I like to get all I can out of a day.

Then, usually on Friday afternoons when it's quiet here, I go to my room and crash for about three hours, wake up, watch a DVD movie or read, take a shower, sleep another eight hours and start a new week like that.

I've always been a bit of a night-owl.

23 posted on 06/26/2006 10:25:16 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

Come home soon, your kitties miss you!


24 posted on 06/26/2006 10:25:39 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: Icitinuris
An argument could be made that the tipping point occurred on precisely November 2, 2004 when Bush was reelected President. The only real question in this war has always been whether the U.S. had the resolve to see it through. Bush has shown that resolve. Had Kerry won, the WOT would have been lost on that date. (Just the perspective of a friendly frostback.)
25 posted on 06/26/2006 10:25:52 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Allegra

opps, that was meant for allegra


26 posted on 06/26/2006 10:26:42 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: Allegra

opps, that was meant for allegra


27 posted on 06/26/2006 10:26:50 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: fireforeffect
The key thing to remember is that we can still lose.

We're not going to lose this thing.

28 posted on 06/26/2006 10:27:08 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Icitinuris
Japanese defeat was sowed at Midway

"AF is short of water."

29 posted on 06/26/2006 10:27:44 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: cpdiii
Come home soon, your kitties miss you!

And I miss little them. I'm going to see them in September. :-)

30 posted on 06/26/2006 10:28:44 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Allegra
Then, usually on Friday afternoons when it's quiet here, I go to my room and crash for about three hours, wake up, watch a DVD movie or read, take a shower, sleep another eight hours and start a new week like that.


31 posted on 06/26/2006 10:29:08 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Icitinuris

Of course we're winning. I've never doubted it, no matter what the MSM has been trying to sell me on a daily basis. :)

Welcome to FR, by the way.


32 posted on 06/26/2006 10:29:47 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
Good luck over there. It's nice to get some inside info without the damn MSM filter.

Thanks.

Actually, the MSM doesn't just filter - they outright lie. Some of the things they've done here have been beyond treasonous. I'd love to see them held accountable for that someday, but I won't hold my breath.

33 posted on 06/26/2006 10:31:20 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
ROFL! Yeah, I need to make sure I watch that one.
34 posted on 06/26/2006 10:32:52 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Allegra

Much nite-life in Baghdad?..........like Hard Rock Cafe?.......


35 posted on 06/26/2006 10:36:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Allegra

Watch?


You're livin' it!


36 posted on 06/26/2006 10:37:19 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Allegra
I'd love to see them held accountable for that someday, but I won't hold my breath.

One day they'll become cognizant of what they've done. The ultimate accountability.

37 posted on 06/26/2006 10:38:09 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Icitinuris

tipping point bump


38 posted on 06/26/2006 10:39:42 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Allegra

Wow.
Great news.
From your lips to God's ears.
And may God Bless You and keep you safe.


39 posted on 06/26/2006 10:39:44 AM PDT by karnage
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To: 2banana
Not even close - Stalingrad was the tipping point for the Germans in WWII

I'd put it at the failure to capture Moscow and Leningrad before the first winter set in.
40 posted on 06/26/2006 10:41:51 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Icitinuris
"...increasingly unhinged Western media. Reuters perhaps won the award for the most bizarre reporting,"

I'm glad somebody else noticed this. I was beginning to question my own sanity.
41 posted on 06/26/2006 10:42:53 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Icitinuris
A great analysis. If you can't read the whole article you wouldn't want to miss the following paragraps:

"In the past week alone, 104 terrorists met their maker and 759 were apprehended in 452 counterterror raids, 255 of which were joint U.S.-Iraqi raids, 143 of which were conducted by Iraqi forces independently. The 28 vast arms caches discovered were also overlooked, inasmuch as the hundreds of thousands of unearthed Iraqi bodies in mass graves have been neglected, in one of the saddest examples of unprofessional journalism in all the history of covering genocide."

"Other high-value targets were toast, as well. Hamzi al Aini, an al Qaida hierarch, was captured in the town of Abu Saydah with a bloody saw in his hideout. Ahmed al Battawi, who has admitted to beheading hundreds, was detained by an elite Iraqi antiterrorist unit. Abbas al Mufraji, a top associate of al Zarqawi, was arrested, as were twenty-three other members of al Qaida's upper echelons. Seven high-ranking members of the Mujahideen Shura Council, an al Qaida-linked insurgent group, were seized as well."

42 posted on 06/26/2006 10:52:49 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: hsalaw
...it's actually Zarqari to Osama before Zarqari was eliminated.

I think Murtha now channels Zarqawi like Hillary channels Eleanor Roosevelt...

43 posted on 06/26/2006 10:54:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: Allegra

Write a book and I'll buy it. I bet about a quarter million others on here would as well. God bless and thanks.


44 posted on 06/26/2006 10:56:06 AM PDT by manic4organic
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To: Icitinuris
Brilliant article. Thanks for posting it. I especially want to call attention to the closing paragraph:

National commitment to democratizing Middle East governments and their indigenous antiterrorist armies and largely innocent peoples requires the sustained effort of successive U.S. presidential administrations, congressional representatives, and free-voting American citizens.

With all of the whining and carping on FR and elsewhere in "conservative" circles these days, as well as betrayals by Specter and other so-called Republicans, it's easy to lose sight of just how remarkable and extraordinary the presidency of George W. Bush has been. It's easy to "misunderestimate" just what we will lose when he leaves office, and how critical the 2008 election will be to the effort to finish the job in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

45 posted on 06/26/2006 11:07:43 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: Icitinuris

The turning point in WWII Europe wasn´t D-Day. The Nazis lost the war when the 6th Wehrmacht Army fell into the hands of the Soviets. Stalingrad was the turning point.


46 posted on 06/26/2006 11:13:21 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: Allegra; fireforeffect

"Defeat, is not an option"
--President George Bush


47 posted on 06/26/2006 11:21:43 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: Icitinuris

The only way we will know we are winning from the msm is when they stop talking about it. They've quieted down about it a lot in the last few months, so I've known things are going well. They only started up again when they manufactured Haditha, or when some rat pollitician says Iraq is going to cost the pubies in November.


48 posted on 06/26/2006 11:21:44 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: shield
"They all say it's amazing...and that the people of Iraq are changing in such a positive way. ;o)"

I hope we at least attempt to insist upon allowing a free flow of ideas and beliefs before we leave Iraq.

As long a Satan's lies, whether he Shiite, Sunni or some other flavor, is all that is permitted, there will be no real peace or "freedom" there.

49 posted on 06/26/2006 11:26:22 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: js1138

I hope in a hundred years people will look back and wonder at the anti-american left, how they could hate their own country so much, and at us, how we gave them as much power as we did.


50 posted on 06/26/2006 11:26:33 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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