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Teen sues district after "Ave Maria" silenced
Seattle Times ^ | Saturday, July 1, 2006 | David Bowermaster

Posted on 07/01/2006 5:27:12 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

For years, seniors in the wind ensemble at Henry M. Jackson High School have selected a favorite piece of music to play during commencement.

For last month's ceremonies, the 17 students chose an instrumental version of "Ave Maria," which they had performed at a school concert in December 2004.

But their choice was vetoed by Dr. Carol Whitehead, superintendent of the Everett School District. Instead, the ensemble played a selection by British composer Gustav Holst.

Now Kathryn Nurre, an 18-year-old who played alto saxophone in the ensemble before graduating, is suing Whitehead, claiming the decision violated her First Amendment right to freedom of speech. She believes "Ave Maria" was nixed by Whitehead because she felt the song was too religious for a school-sanctioned event.

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To: DogBarkTree

See tag line.


141 posted on 07/01/2006 7:33:41 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: xzins
Students, also, are not members of the institution. They are there by compulsion, but they have not lost their free speech rights.

Students are not on the stage by compulsion; they are by privilege. Privileges may carry strings with them.

142 posted on 07/01/2006 8:36:34 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: sitetest
Hmmm.

I wonder which pieces or pieces by Holst.

"The Hymn of Jesus"?

Or maybe a selection from his opera Savitri, which reflects Holst's interest in Hindu literature and religion?

Hmm.

:^)

143 posted on 07/02/2006 1:38:18 AM PDT by Argh
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To: Sender
Just eat your gray gruel, and be happy.
144 posted on 07/02/2006 1:58:51 AM PDT by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest." Þ)
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan

I would argue that they are there by invitation.

It will be interesting to see how ACLJ, Rutherford Institute, Liberty Council, etc. deal with the ACLU's new "provided forum" concept. The ACLU was getting murdered in court everytime they confronted the conservative legal institutes' free speech arguments.

I wondered how they'd brainstorm, and what they'd do.

It's an interesting rejoinder, "state-sponsored forum," but an invitation to an outside speaker is where it breaks down. Since every student does not have the "privilege" of address, and since every student is not an employee of the institution, then one can only call the origination their speaking an "invitation."


145 posted on 07/02/2006 3:03:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: Yehuda
They should have banned "Woodstock"!

We have, including and especially Country Joe & the Fish.

147 posted on 07/02/2006 12:02:15 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evils)
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To: DogBarkTree
Here's what gets me: If the secular-progressives are so smug and confident in the correctness of their worldview, why are they then acting as if they are threatened by expression of a faith different from theirs.

This example isn't even a direct expression of the Christian faith - the connection is tangential, and Ave Maria is considered by many the most beautiful piece ever written.

148 posted on 07/02/2006 3:28:37 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: MayflowerMadam

I to take issue with certain teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

But why present those feeling here and now? Your convictions on the matter lend nothing to the topic of the thread. The piece in question could have had origins in any religion or belief systems. The issue is that of Political Correctness's ever reaching insanity.

You do yourself and your convictions a great disservice when you brow beat those you disagree with at every opportunity (especially when the opportunity is so very vague).

You do all of us a disservice by diluting the topic and picking at old wounds. Do you wish to break down any cohesiveness that would allow us to unite in even this topic?


149 posted on 07/03/2006 4:48:15 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (You may remember me from such threads as "Christmas in Cambodia" & "Crying Game: The Gore Story")
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To: MinuteGal; nothingnew
"Oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to decieve"

It's actually Sir Walter Scott!
150 posted on 07/03/2006 6:19:22 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
I standeth corrected.

Thanks.

Leni

151 posted on 07/03/2006 7:10:11 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Publius

Schubert's "Ave Maria" used to be counted as too theatrical for church.


152 posted on 07/03/2006 7:23:05 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Publius

Thank you. I only knew that Schubert was an infidel.


153 posted on 07/03/2006 7:24:42 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: jude24

That's very "white" of you. ;-)


154 posted on 07/03/2006 7:27:33 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: ladyjane

Ah, but her music is "relevant."


155 posted on 07/03/2006 7:29:34 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Mr. Buzzcut

Whitehead is the beneficiary of the adoption by public education of Peter's principle, of elevating someone above their level of competence.


156 posted on 07/03/2006 7:32:47 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Mr. Buzzcut
I imagine Whitehead would have waxed nostalgic over that selection.
157 posted on 07/03/2006 7:35:07 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: DogBarkTree

I am having a hard time with a sax version of Ave Maria.


158 posted on 07/03/2006 7:40:49 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: RobbyS

It sounds like you had to sit through that guitar music too.


159 posted on 07/03/2006 7:46:10 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: elli1
The Authorities can dig up one of the old lists from the USSR and save the effort of having to make a new one.

Or they could get a copy of the old "Index" used by the Catholics and just turn it around.

160 posted on 07/03/2006 7:48:03 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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