Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.
Is the fence being built? Is there anything there yet besides the poles and some barbed wire?
What about the volunteers who say they don't even have the portapotties Simcox promised?
You're calling names here, but you aren't offering any evidence that the ABC report is wrong. Can you?
The former freeper known as "Clintons a Liar"(Cal) worked for Keyes and now works for the Minutemen.
Read and apologize.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1662416/posts
A con-artist grifting volunteers who are good decent citizens, and good decent citizens concerned about border security are two entirely different things.
The minutemen concept was born out of need to secure the borders and is obviously being investigated as to whether money donated is being used properly probably by the OPEN BORDER HYSTERICS!!
I don't think anyone here has a problem with the minutemen concept. I know I certainly don't. But when it takes a team of people 2 months to build a 2.2 mile long barbed wire fence that would take one person 2 days to put up, I think there is something inheritantly wrong with this picture.
I've bought a large amount of steel posts for fencing in cattle pastures, and most if not all places will throw in the wire clips and roll of barbed wire for the entire flat price of the entire purchase of the posts.
In short, the Minutemen are getting ripped off by a shyster named Simcox.
If you thought you were getting ripped off by someone, you'd be asking questions too, trying to get to the bottom of it, instead of allowing the person to continue to rip you off. Yeah, talk about gullible.
Spot on!
You don't get to the bottom of anything by repeating the propaganda of communists like Morris Dees.
The Minutemen intended to build Israeli-style fence on that particular ranch, but after intense public pressure from the liberals, the landowners changed their minds and only wanted barbed wire.
It's their land, they can have whatever kind of fence they want, short of the federal government coming in and doing their job properly on that portion of the border.
Simcox could have said forget about it and saved the money for more elaborate fencing on other property. But he didn't. He helped them build the fence they wanted.
Sorry, but Simcox isn't responsible for everyone who decides to come down to the border having a comfortable place to pee.
Whiners should stay away from the border in the first place.
All you have to do is watch the report to see that it is nothing but a short-on-facts hitpiece.
You should know better than to pay any attention to some local TV "journalist" who is trying to make a name for himself.
Do you approve of those Simcox critics on this thread who are using trash from Morris Dees and the SPLC to slime Simcox?
Yes you can and it is a very safe bet to do so. Jim Gilchrist of the (real) Minuteman Project made a point to on his web site and Texas Minutemen issued a specific response to the typical accusations being spouted by Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (kicked off the project, racists language, carrying rifles, etc.) which I am including here...
note: no one was "expelled" from Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, the totally separate TEXAS MINUTEMEN organization has never had anything to do with Chris Simcox specifically because of indications that Chris Simcox was mishandling funds as far back as April, 2005. Yes, under TEXAS law, long guns can be kept in vehicles for protection and no "racist" language has ever been used by the co-founders of the TEXAS MINUTEMEN.
click the link at the bottom of the page (read more) to see the actual email that was forwarded to TXMM with the statement that Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is in fact asking for $55,000,000.00 dollars to continue a Israeli-style double fence 15 feet high with dual vehicle-trapping trenches and dual four-layer razor wire. There are also further updates to the issue of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps collecting massive amounts of money claiming to be for the fence project and it, to date is not showing up anywhere.
The person making the accusations (Chris) actually had the nerve to imply that the original Minuteman Project was a product of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. Check this quote..
“One of the groups lending their voice to the criticism is the Texas Minutemen, an organization Simcox says has been bitter toward him since it was expelled by the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps in April 2005 for carrying rifles and using racist language.”
There was no Minuteman Civil Defense Corps during the April 2005 Minuteman Project and Chris Simcox was only a local guide for Jim Gilchrist, founder, The Minuteman Project. No member of Texas Minutemen was expelled from the project, much less any of the co-founders of Texas Minutemen. Chris is making up B.S. to have it appear as though he is the Minuteman Project. He is not. The Minuteman Project is Jim Gilchrist.
The individuals that Chris is referring to only worked for Jim Gilchrist during the original Minuteman Project, never once met Simcox during the original project and when formed in the third week of April, 2005, never associated The Texas Minutemen with MCDC in any way, to the point of flatly telling Chris in his later requests to join MCDC... NO, WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MCDC. That is why Chris has always badmouthed TXMM and TXMM will not touch anything MCDC..
http://www.txminuteman.org/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=354&Itemid=2
BTW, if anyone has any additional questions about Texas Minutemen they can direct them here, in public, and get a straight answer, here, in public!
Thanks for letting me rant....
The Reporter was female. You would know that if you saw it.
Thank you very much for confirming what I thought I remembered.
It's always such a shame when somebody comes along and co-opts an ongoing movement and then claims it as his own.
Unfortunately, the press has no identified the MM with Simcox, so when he goes down, a lot of people who aren't knowledgeable of the situation will just automatically assume that the rest of the group can be painted with the same brush as Simcox will be.
What's even more unfortunate, IMO, is that there are people on this forum who SHOULD know better and, even when confronted with the truth/facts, will continue to eviscerate the real Minutemen and their leaders.
I'm shocked that Alan Keyes has so closely identified himself with Simcox. This very well could be the last nail in his coffin; but, then, of course, he does have that massive mailing list and surely is getting a big jackpot for selling the names of his donors to Simcox.
Thieves always manage to find each other, though, don't they?
Which "Minutemen," Gilchrest's or Simcox's?
Ah, that article you linked CONFIRMS what we all said last night.
And it proves you don't know what you're talking about.
FNC beltway boys said that SPECTER's (leftist liberal) staffers are heading negotiations with the house!!!!!
They are working on "delayed amnesty"! With guidance fromt the WH.
No wall no deal.
Include Amnesty, no deal
AHAHAHA........you didn't watch the video, did you?
If you had, you'd know that Simcox HIMSELF said he was paying for those portalets.
Whiners should stay away from the border in the first place.
Still trying to win friends and influences elections I see!
I'm not that discerning
Thanks for the ping and thank you, TLI, for the accurate information.
Apologize for what? Asking someone to show why we shouldn't believe the ABC report?
You have to admit, your "evidence" is not that convincing when your article admits that the fence that has been built so far is not the one that is advertised, and "...it is not just the group’s rivals who are skeptical of the fence plan."
Wanna try again?
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