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Old Testament Dispute Continues
Decaur Daily ^ | Richard N Ostling

Posted on 08/05/2006 12:35:23 PM PDT by blam

Old Testament dispute continues

Was King David Judaism's King Arthur?

By Richard N. Ostling
AP Religion Writer

AP Photo/Biblical Archaeology Review by Thomas E. Levy American archaeologist/educator Nelson Glueck's suggestions that a gate lay buried at the entrance to the Iron Age fortress of Khirbat en-Nahas were recently realized when archaeologists discovered a four-chamber gate (only two have been excavated). Radiocarbon dating fixed the date of its construction to the 10th century.

Some scholars are busily debunking the Bible's account of the great King David, asking: Was he really all that great? Was he largely legendary, Judaism's version of Britain's legendary King Arthur or totally fictional?

These matters are crucial not only for Jews but for Christians, since Jesus' biblical identity as the messiah stems from David's family line.

Skepticism about the Hebrew Bible's history was promoted to popular audiences in "The Bible Unearthed" (2001) by Tel Aviv University archaeologist Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. Their most recent book focuses on "David and Solomon" (Free Press).

Though some scholars claimed David never existed, in 1993 archaeologists discovered a stone inscription from 835 B.C. that mentions "the house of David." The authors say that established the existence of a dynastic founder named David and that shortly after his 10th-century era a line of kings "traced their legitimacy back to David."

However, Finkelstein considers the Bible seriously distorted propaganda. He treats David as a minor bandit chieftain and Jerusalem as a hamlet, not an imperial capital. Supposedly, biblical authors concocted the grander David centuries afterward. The book also implies that his successor, Solomon, didn't build the Temple.

Finkelstein notes that archaeologists haven't found monumental buildings from David's era in Jerusalem. He dismisses links of David and Solomon with buildings unearthed at biblical Megiddo and Hazor. Ordinary readers might not grasp that this depends upon a disputed "low chronology" which would shift dates a century, just after these kings.

In the July-August issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Michael Coogan of Stonehill College, editor of The New Oxford Annotated Bible, contends that Finkelstein and Silberman "move from the hypothetical to the improbable to the absurd."

Finkelstein's revised chronology is "not accepted by the majority of archaeologists and biblical scholars," Coogan asserts, citing four scholarly anthologies from the past three years.

Coogan also thinks "David and Solomon" downplays the significance of the Amarna tablets, which include correspondence to Egypt's pharaoh from a 14th-century Jerusalem king. Even if archaeological remains at Jerusalem are lacking, he writes, the tablets indicate that long before David, Jerusalem was the region's chief city-state, with a court and sophisticated scribes.

Discovery of ancient remains in Jerusalem is problematic due to the repeated reconstruction throughout the centuries and the modern inaccessibility of many sites.

Nonetheless, perhaps David's palace has been found. So claims Israeli archaeologist Eilat Mazar. Finkelstein denies this, claiming Mazar inaccurately dated pottery from the site. "Here, for the time being, matters rest," summarizes Hillel Halkin in the July-August Commentary magazine.

Jerusalem feuds aside, skepticism about David seems to be countered by recent discoveries in the biblical land of Edom (present-day southwest Jordan), also described in Biblical Archaeology Review by field experts Thomas Levy and Mohammad Najjar. Levy is a University of California, San Diego, archaeologist and Najjar directs excavations for Jordan's Department of Antiquities.

According to the Hebrew Bible, Edom had kings before Israel (Genesis 36:31), barred Moses' wandering Israelites (Numbers 20:14-21) and later warred with King David (2 Samuel 8:13-14, 1 Kings 11:15-16).

Until now, many scholars have said that's all bogus because there was no archaeological evidence for a state in Edom until long after David's day. Finkelstein and Silberman typified such skepticism in "Bible Unearthed," which said Edom achieved kingship and statehood only in the seventh century B.C.

But Levy and Najjar say lack of evidence is never conclusive, and in this case previous archaeologists dug in the wrong place. They've now excavated a major fortress that — to their surprise — is dated by radiocarbon tests in David's era. An adjacent copper mill goes back another one to two centuries, closer to Moses' time.

Biblical references have gained "new plausibility," they conclude.

On the Net: Biblical Archaeology Review: www.bib-arch.org; Commentary: www.commentarymagazine.com


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To: ArGee
. . .He appears to be willing to "help us in our unbelief."

Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

21 posted on 08/05/2006 7:59:43 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: ArGee; Conservative Texan Mom; Alamo-Girl; js1138; coles; Mr. Silverback; RunningWolf
There are many examples of figures in the Old Testament whom 'scholars' believed were mythical not real persons in history. Belshazzar is one of some infamy. Here's an excerpt from a book I'm working on; this is a minor aside in the chapter titled 'Brane Crasher':

It is interesting to note that in the past people stamped this passage and all of the Book of Daniel as mere myth-telling because Historians didn’t believe there was such a king as Belshazzar who ever reigned in Babylon. But in 1854, a member of the British Consul was exploring ancient ruins in southern Iraq and dug into a great tower built there. He found a time capsule: clay cylinders inscribed with cuneiform writing; the cylinders were inscribed at the time of Nabonidus, king of Babylon from 555-539 B.C., and commemorated repairs the king made to the tower; they included a prayer for long life of Nabonidus and his oldest son, Belshazzar.

Nabonides is considered the last great king of Babylon. His relationship with the previous Kings of Babylon is unclear, perhaps he was once a great general, but he came to the throne by overthrowing a young king named Labashi-Marduk. It is likely Nabonides substantiated his claim to the throne by marrying Nitocris, a daughter of Nebuchadnezzar, since he was not a blood relative to Nebuchadnezzar.

Being a religious eccentric, in 549 BC Nabonides left Babylon to live at Teyma (Tema) located in what is now Saudi Arabia northeast of Hijaz, where the ancient trade route between Medina and Dumah crosses the Nefud desert. Tayma is approximately 400 kilometers north of Medina. While on religious sojourn Nabonides left his son behind to rule in Babylon, but Belshazzar never fully came to the throne.

Skeptics believed that the writer of Daniel made an historical error in calling Belshazzar king, but when Belshazzar told Daniel that if he could interpret the writing on the wall he (Daniel) would be granted authority in the kingdom as the third ruler, the scriptures show a detail which lends credence to the account. Belshazzar was not the first ruler of the kingdom, but he was in a secondary position, appointed to reign in Babylon while his father was away. By Babylonian tradition, all in the city with the secondary ruler would call him king.

Belshazzar offered to Daniel third position, so the writer of the Book faithfully related the fact as a minor detail, and then much later archaeological evidence substantiated the trivia.

These findings in archaeology show that the writer of the Book of Daniel was telling of a real man. These were no fables.

22 posted on 08/05/2006 8:14:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you so much for that fascinating excerpt!


23 posted on 08/05/2006 10:06:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alouette; SJackson; sionnsar; NYer; Salem

Bible ping.

People trying to 'debunk' King David.


24 posted on 08/05/2006 11:53:24 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: blam
Some scholars are busily debunking the Bible's account of the great King David...

Hmmmmmm. Let's see- who should I believe as to the truth of the Word of God? God or man, God or man, God or man, God or man, God or man.

What a joke and what puny, irrevelant fools are those who actually embark on a serious attempt to "disprove" Scripture.

Psalm 2:4:

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision. What a frightening thing it is to be laughed at by God!

It never, ever, ceases to amaze me that, instead of seeking God and joyfully accepting His gift of eternal life and a personal relationship with Him, fallen mankind spends his short years here on earth at war with Him, obsessed with "proving" that He doesn't exist, and, in the end, losing the war with God and spending all eternity in desolation and alone.

I just don't get it.

25 posted on 08/06/2006 3:39:07 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks. I can't get enough.


26 posted on 08/06/2006 5:45:18 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: PattonFan

"Man is DOOMED to Learn"

What a tagline!


27 posted on 08/06/2006 9:13:25 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (On issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe.)
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To: Berosus
The future archaeologist's conclusion? "It adds up to the struggle between true man and death, or between good and evil. A great allegory, to be sure. But historical fact? Certainly not!"

Thanks for the new source material.

Excellent!

28 posted on 08/07/2006 7:50:04 AM PDT by PattonFan (Not me, I don't believe in paying for the same real estate twice." George C. Scott , "Patton")
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To: Professional Engineer; Radix
"Man is DOOMED to Learn"

What a tagline!

LOL! Could be I guess.

I believe what my husband meant by the statement (putting it in context of our conversation) was that Man will some day, thru his own technology..become "Too big for his own britches".

If knowledge is not used properly..we have atheism , liberalism, socialism..all those "isms".

29 posted on 08/07/2006 7:55:29 AM PDT by PattonFan (Not me, I don't believe in paying for the same real estate twice." George C. Scott , "Patton")
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To: 75thOVI; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; CGVet58; chilepepper; ...
An old one I should have pinged when I had the chance.
Catastrophism

30 posted on 12/07/2006 10:25:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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