Posted on 10/04/2006 8:59:53 AM PDT by dvan
We had a neighbor, when I lived in DC, who was part of the secret service presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents' plane.
Yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret "dates," and LBJ was a typical Texas "good ole boy" womanizer.
Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but couldn't match Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety.
The information below is accurate: The elder Bush and current President Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the air crews who fly them around. When the president flies, there are several planes that also go. One carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus usually a press aircraft.
Both Bush's made it a point to stay home on holidays, so the Air Force and security people could have a day with their families.
WHAT WAS: Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her security detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them. Sometimes, Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean spiritedness, ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's presence.
Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young lady.The consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like her.
Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged to protect her life.Her security detail dutifully did their job, as professionals should, but they all loathed her, and wanted to be on a different detail. Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret Service as a whole.
Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife. Often the Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary would use against her husband.They were embarrassed for his sake, by the manner and frequency in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind closed doors. Even behind closed doors, Hillary Clinton would scream and holler so loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying.Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most wondered why he tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack dog" wife.
It was crystal clear that the Clinton's neither liked nor respected each other, and this was true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a "marriage of convenience."
Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother, even after the Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her gravely.
Bill Clinton did in fact have charisma, and ccasionally would smile at, or shake hands with his security detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority towards them.
His security detail uniformly believed him to be disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without a motive that in some way would enhance his image and political career. He was polite, but not kind. They did not particularly like him and nobody trusted him.
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton.They were more friendly toward each other than either of them were towards former President Clinton. They were not intimate, so please don't read that in. They were very close in a political way.
Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She initially liked Hillary, but soon after the election she had her "pegged", and no longer liked her, or associated with her, except for events that were politically obligatory
Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al Gore resented Bill Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised all Republicans. His hatred was bitter, and this was long before he announced for the Presidency. This hatred was something that he and Hillary had in common. They often said as much, even in the presence of their security detail. Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service opined, neither of them even liked Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton did have some good qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the view of their security details. Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security detail.
He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold them in the presence of their peers for minor details over which they had no control. Al Gore also looked down on them, as they finally observed and learned with certainty on one occasion. Al got angry at his offspring and pointed at his security detail and said, "Do you want to grow up and be like them?"
Word of this insult by the former Vice-president quickly spread, and he became as disliked by the Secret Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be elected President,and they really did have private celebrations in a few of their homes after President Bush won.
This was not necessarily to celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat.
WHAT IS: Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's detail. Without exception, they concede that she is perhaps the nicest, and most kind person they have ever had the privilege of serving. Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be taken with her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she offers.
She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank you." Very often, she will give members of her detail a kindhearted hug to express her appreciation.There is nothing false about her.
This is her genuine nature. Her security detail considers her to be a "breath of fresh air." They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary Clinton is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch of the North."
Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect, and he always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like the Crawford, Texas detail.
Every time the president goes to Crawford he has a Bar-B-Q for his security detail, and he helps serve their meals. He sits with them, eats with them, and talks with them. He knows each of them by their first name, and calls them by their first name as a show of affection.
He always asks about their family, the names of which he always remembers. They believe that he is deeply and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like, love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not know they would feel this way, until they had an opportunity to work for him and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent.
It has never changed since he began his Presidency. He always treats them with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.
Living in the DC area, we pick up quite a few tidbits from parties and people that work in some capacity with the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court.
What are the red dots on everyone's heads, and the one on the President's left shoulder (in every picture)?
People who suffer from paranoid personality disorder, like Hillary, would have trouble being around an agent who does not respond to conversation like that. She would tend to project her self-hatred onto the agent which would lead to the kind of abusive behavior toward her agents that is noted on this thread.
I didn't even have to read this to know it's true. But thanks for posting it!
Sounds good, but can you give an example of something above that could be used?
Yes...the fact that the President makes a point of congratulation and thanking the flight crews of aircraft that carry his limo could easily be used and exploited by foreign or domestic enemies seeking to do harm to the President. It should not be spoken of or revealed IMHO.
Thanks! That was great!
Dude, I understand that it is best practices to be absolutely silent about everything, but you still haven't given a reasonable explanation for how anything here could harm the president. It sounds like you don't know, but you think they shouldn't say anything as a matter of practice. Fair enough, but just say that if you can't think of how it could harm the president. The fact that he thanks the flight crews could be exploited? Give me one way this could be exploited.
You can find that pic at post number 97 of this thread.
Is there any truth to the rumor that Hillary used the office normally reserved for the Vice-President?
Former President Richard M. Nixon announced last March that he would do without the Secret Service detail that has been with him since he left office 11 years ago this week. His sole reason was to save money for the Government, according to his assistant, John Taylor.
July 28, 1985 New York and Region News
Knowing the President's habit of going to a specific aircraft and crew and thanking them is something that, whenever and wherever he travels, can be used against him in the hands of the wrong people.
If you do not see it, or agree with it...fine. But it is something that is specific and something that can be exploited. Particularly in a ime of war, such information should always be held close to the vest
You are free to feel differently as is your right.
You have not given an actual example et. "It can be used against him" does not say how. In other words, you have no idea. That's ok, I don't see it either. I won't argue with you anymore because it obviously isn't a fair fight.
Great stuff. Thanks.
If you can't figure that out, then you are correct, indeed, it isn't a fair fight.
Look, you asked for an example, I gave one and indicated pretty clearly what the potential implications are. Your last two or three posts have been trying, in an inane way, to show that it is not specific enough for you.
Fine, no skin off my back whatsoever, either way. As I said, you are free to think whatever you wish.
He travels with the United States military. You act as if he travels across town to a hotel room to thank them. The idea is that as he is disembarking a plane he thanks the people who are serving. The same danger exists to the President whether he thanks his crew or not.
This just seems to be common senese not to mention common coutesy, particuarly when these are the folks that not only guard the President's life but by duty would lay theirs down if necessary. I remember seeing that movie Primary Colors where the Clinton character would wander off and talk with ordinairy American folk and remember saying that while I believe that Clinton does have a side to him that can relate because of his more humble roots it was always overshadowed by his penchant for power and all of it's possible excesses. Not to mention his penchant for self-gratification. Talent without a moral core of decency.
When the President travels, he is on a schedule and has an itenerary and a route. Most of this is held close to the vest for obvious reasons...he could be attacked.
But, he does fly into a place, and then he flies out. That landing can be observed.
Those aircraft carrying his limo and security detail also fly in and out. Usually earlier coming in, and later going out. Their landings can also be observed.
If it is known that the President makes a habit of thanking specifc crews, then a potential adversary who may otherwise not know the President's exact schedule or travel route, now can watch those crews (which may well be a lot easier than watching the President) and be preapered to act when the President comes to them.
In essence, a part of his routine or iteinerary is now "known" and enemies can exploit such information.
So, there's your example, now much more specifcally laid out for you. Agree with it or not...that's up to you.
In a time of war, I would not want to open more vulnerabilites up as regards the President.
FRegards.
OMG - that is hysterical! (and how cute is he?)
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