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2001 Iraqi Document: Saddam Approved the Re-Use of Nuclear Equipments (Important Translation).
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | October 24 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 10/24/2006 12:55:08 PM PDT by jveritas

In what is so far the most important evidence of Saddam personal involvement in re-building Iraq nuclear program , document CMPC-2003-012331.pdf dated January 2001 indicates that during a meeting between Saddam and the Staff of the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization Saddam was asked by the Organization Staff to give his permission for re-using the infamous “ Degussa Vacuum furnaces ” that were used in the previous and prohibited Iraq nuclear program. These furnaces can be used to melt uranium and other nuclear related activities.

The Degussa Vacuum furnaces were supplied to Iraq in the 1980’s by a German firm (Degussa AG based in Frankfurt Germany) and these furnaces later on became the subject of investigations of the German firm in the early 1990’s where the company claimed that they did not know that Iraq would have used them in its nuclear program. The New York Times had an article in 1998 titled “An Iraqi Defector Warns of Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Research” where the Degussa furnaces were mentioned as part of “previous” Iraq nuclear program and the controversy surrounding the sale of these furnaces and the investigations later on(link: ). The irony is that this is not only a New York Times article but also it was written by JUDITH MILLER and JAMES RISEN once of the worst accusers (liars) that the Bush administration lied about Iraq WMD.

Also the Degussa furnaces supplied to Iraq were mentioned in articles written by David Albright (An American nuclear scientist) explaining how the Degussa furnaces were used in the “previous” Iraqi nuclear program. Mr. Albright wrote the article to Bulletin of Atomic Scientists” back in 1992-1993 and you find the links about these articles ( ,> ).

Again this document carries a lot of importance since it proves without any doubt that Saddam was directly involved with his nuclear scientists to re-build their nuclear program. President Bush in a speech dated October 7 2002 mentioned that Saddam has held numerous meetings with his nuclear Scientists and this quote from President Bush speech: The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors (Link: ).

The translation will include memos. The first one is from Senior Deputy Minister of Iraq Military Industrialization Committee to the Chairman of Iraq Atomic Energy Organization asking him to allocate the Degussa Vacuum furnaces, the second memo a reply from Iraq Atomic Energy Organization saying that they will do so and that they got the approval of Saddam Hussein to re-use these equipments.

Beginning of the translation of memo 1 of CMPC-2003-012331.pdf

In the Name of God the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate

The Republic of Iraq, The Presidency of the Republic, The Military Industrialization Committee

Number 2/4/83

Date: 25/1/2001

Secret and Confidential

To: The Atomic Energy Organization- The Office of the Chairman

Subject: Allocation of Degussa Vacuum Furnaces

Please approve the allocation of the mentioned furnaces and quantity (2) with its accessories because of our dire need for it to implement the works and projects tasked to our committee. And we empower engineer Samir Ibrahim for follow up and receiving.

With regards


Air General

Marahem Sa’aab Al Hassan

Senior Deputy Minister for Military Industrialization


End of translation of memo 1

Beginning of translation of memo 2 of CMPC-2003-012331.pdf

Mr. Respected General Director

Subject: Allocation of Vacuum Furnaces

Regarding the letter of the Senior Deputy Minister of the Military Industrialization numbered 2/4/83 on 25/1/2001 I would like to clarify the following:

1. We do not have primaries about the subject.

2. There was a communication with the Energy Organization about the furnaces and it was revealed that the furnaces were delivered to the Physics Department in the Atomic Energy Organization upon the instruction of Mr. Chairman of the Energy Organization to take advantage of these equipments ( During the meeting with the President The Leader God protect and shepherd him and the Organization Staff asked his Excellency to take advantage of these equipments) and these equipments were received two moths ago by the Physics Department.

The furnaces do not have the seal of the Agency but it was among the equipments of the previous program that were included in the list prepared by the agency.



Shaker Hamed.

End of translation of memo 2

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I agree. Keeping an accurate record is important. Thanks for the good work.

41 posted on 10/24/2006 2:40:13 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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Iraq's Acquisition of Gas Centrifuge Technology

Part III: Treason and Wrap-up

In the early 1990s, Karl Heinz Schaab was investigated for violating export control laws. He was convicted of illegally exporting centrifuge rotors to Iraq in 1993, a minor conviction at the time. In late 1995, after receiving new information about Schaab's activities with Iraq, the German government re-opened its criminal investigation of him.

Following the defection of Hussein Kamel in August 1995, Iraq decided to reveal extensive information about its entire nuclear weapons program. A key new revelation was the extent of assistance by Schaab and his colleagues. When the senior Iraqi gas centrifuge expert, Adel, was asked why Iraq decided to reveal so much new information about Schaab, he explained that he thought Schaab was in jail and already exposed. Some Germans who knew Adel have questioned his reason, believing instead that Adel was ordered by top Iraqi leadership to expose Schaab. Adel and the other members of the Iraqi gas centrifuge program had been highly committed to protecting their German sources of assistance.

In July 1996, Schaab, who had become aware that he was likely to be charged with treason, fled to Brazil. In December 1996, he was arrested in Brazil where he was held pending a decision from the Brazilian courts about his extradition. In March 1998, the Brazilian Supreme Court ruled in Schaab's favor and he was freed.

Despite winning his case, Schaab was unhappy in Brazil and wanted to return to Germany. He retained the services of a new German defense lawyer, Michael Rietz, who recommended that he return to Germany and voluntarily turn himself in with the intention of pleading guilty to at least some of the charges. Rietz believed that he could convince the court to give Schaab a relatively short prison sentence as a result. Schaab returned to Germany on September 24, 1996 and was arrested the same day. After serving a few months in prison, he was freed pending trial.

In February 1999, the government filed treason charges against Schaab. The charges were as follows:

Having disclosed a national secret to a foreign power or one of its middlemen, he caused the threat of a "severe impairment" of the external security of the Federal Republic of Germany. The treason took place in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Iraq. In many of these acts, the defendant acted together with the now deceased Bruno Stemmler.
Having violated a regulation of the German Foreign Trade Law, the defendant compromised the security of the Federal Republic of Germany, perturbed the peaceful cohabitation of nations, and considerably harmed the international relations of the Federal Republic of Germany.

The prosecutor viewed Schaab as committing a wide range of acts of treason. He believed that the charge of treason applied not only to overtly classified documents but also to a range of classified information and components that Schaab provided.

In June 1999, the court, with the agreement of the prosecutor, limited the charges to Schaab's supply of classified documents to Iraq for the supercritical centrifuge. The court viewed these documents as state secrets whose unauthorized release constitutes treason.

The charges were limited in part because of weaknesses in German law. Schaab had acted solely for financial reasons and did not intend to betray his country such as traditional communist or East German spies. According to Rietz, Schaab's case was the first one of its kind, and the law was not written with this particular situation in mind.

In making its treason case for the supercritical centrifuge documents, the prosecutors faced another problem. Almost all the individual designs and documents of the supercritical centrifuge were marked VS-Nur Fuer Dienstgebrauch (classified-official use only) or unclassified. However, the prosecutors argued successfully in the end that together these documents carried a much higher level of classification, namely VS-Vertraulich (classified-confidential).

The court established that Schaab was fully aware of the classification rules at MAN. He had received authorization to handle secret centrifuge information in 1972, giving him access to all centrifuge information in his department that was stored in a safe. Until 1980, he also managed his department's filing of classified information and accepted the delivery of classified components.

The court ruled that the documents had to be kept secret because they would enable Iraq to develop devices to make weapon-grade uranium, which could be used in nuclear weapons. The delivery of documents for the supercritical gas centrifuge created the real threat that Iraq would succeed in manufacturing weapons-grade uranium. Many of the parts were also directly usable in the subcritical centrifuge that was the main focus of Iraq's program.

The court stated that the development of weapons of mass destruction by a dictatorial regime, such as Iraq, which has made provisions for the manufacture of long-distance ballistic missiles, strengthens this regime's potential threat of attack. The court ruled that in this eventuality, and the resulting shift of the balance of powers, countries such as Germany would be severely impaired in their capability to defend themselves against attacks and disturbances from outside, ruled the court.

Before returning to Germany, Schaab had decided to plead guilty with the goal of receiving minimum time in jail. Because he had served 15 months in a Brazilian jail, he and Rietz reasoned that a guilty plea could lead to a decision by the court not to incarcerate him further beyond his initial three-month imprisonment after he returned from Brazil.

This strategy worked and Schaab did not serve another day in prison. He was sentenced to five years in prison. However, his time was reduced for prior time spent in Brazilian jail, which was weighted at three times that spent in German jail because of the extreme oppressive conditions of his imprisonment. In addition, the German legal tradition of not serving the last one third of a sentence meant that Schaab left the court a free man.

However, he had to pay a total of 80,000 Deutsche Marks (DM) in fines and other fees. He did not have to pay the roughly 100,000 DM the German government spent trying to extradite him from Brazil.

The court decided on such a lenient prison sentence because it determined that this case did not warrant a judgement of severe treason under the law. In principle, the court believed that the high potential risk posed by supplying the treasonous material speaks for the assumption of an exceptionally severe case. For Iraq, the technical value of the material disclosed by the defendant was considerable. This held true, even though the documents themselves delivered by the defendant did not provide adequate knowledge for the development and manufacture of a gas centrifuge for the production of weapon-grade uranium.

Further, Schaab had often assisted the Iraqis in an on-going business endeavor aimed as supporting the Iraqi gas centrifuge project. The court also held this against Schaab.

However, several important circumstances spoke in favor of the defendant. The court accepted that Stemmler, and not Schaab, originated the plan to sell the drawings and documents. In addition, Schaab acted in a period of time when his company was suffering economically, and the defendant had not previously been convicted of a major offense. As mentioned above, his conviction of selling Iraq carbon fiber rotors was viewed as minor.

Also in his favor, Schaab confessed to the deed, which helped the prosecution reconstruct the extent of his assistance to Iraq, and he regretted his actions. He even surrendered himself to the proceedings despite a refusal of extradition. In addition, he was deemed particularly sensitive to confinement in prison because of his age and impaired health.

There was speculation that another reason for the lenient sentence was to save further embarrassment to MAN, other German companies, and ultimately the German government. Rietz had vowed to fight the charges if the sentence was not reduced. The resulting long and public court fight could have revealed substantially more information about weak security procedures at MAN and elsewhere, possibly revealed other embarrassing information, and perhaps led to the release of sensitive or secret information.

Nonetheless, few doubt that Schaab has suffered enormously for his crimes. He experienced financial troubles when his actions became publicly known. His business on the whole has failed. He continues to suffer public humiliation.

Rationalization and Self-Delusion

Because Stemmler and Busse died before Kamel defected, they were never brought to justice. If they had lived, they would likely have been charged, perhaps also with treason.

During numerous interviews in the early 1990s with one of the authors, Stemmler claimed that he broke no laws. He admitted repeatedly that he provided centrifuge assistance but he denied the information was classified. However, it is clear that he certainly did provide classified information and documents. Because Stemmler is dead, he can no longer defend himself from allegations that he broke the law. Nonetheless, his stated justifications for his actions provide insight into his actions.

Stemmler said he felt justified cooperating with Iraq. When he first became involved with Saddam Hussein's Iraq, the United States seemed to be supporting Iraq, and had done so throughout its protracted war with Iran. After the war ended, Iraq, then considered a friend of the West, was involved in a massive rebuilding program. Stemmler said he "never had the impression that Iraq was against the United States."

In addition, the Iraqis told him that their "only desire [was] to make nuclear fuel" for civil purposes. In interviews, Stemmler often said that an Iraqi centrifuge cascade using these centrifuges could have produced only low-enriched uranium, not the highly enriched material needed for an atomic bomb. In reality these centrifuges can produce HEU when hooked in a cascade. When confronted by this seeming inconsistency, Stemmler shrugged.

He often expressed skepticism of Iraq's ability to operate centrifuges or build a centrifuge plant, implying that his assistance did not matter. For example, Stemmler said it is a "long distance from design to a practical machine."

Even in interviews, though, Stemmler was inconsistent in evaluating his own contribution to the Iraqi program. At times he tried to minimize the importance of his assistance. He said that he did not provide the most modern specifications. In some cases, he said, he tried to give them minimal information that was not usable for their specific machine. At other times, he said he believed he had helped to improve the Iraqi centrifuge design.

Stemmler and the other Germans were all successful scientists, technicians, or businessmen. They did not start their cooperation with Iraq intending to break any laws. It is doubtful that they wanted to help Iraq build nuclear weapons.

But they all desperately needed money for themselves or their companies. In addition, Iraq was subtle in its recruitment methods, trying to encourage the Germans to believe that the assistance was somehow legitimate or deserved. Certainly, Iraq never said the assistance was to make highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons.

Nonetheless, this group of well-respected Germans did break the law. They lied to their own government about their activities. Several knowingly provided classified information to Iraq, which is now viewed as treason in Germany.

At the same time, several tried to deny knowing what Iraq intended to do with their assistance. But all of them must have realized at some point the true purpose of their assistance. Instead of stopping their assistance, they concocted various arguments to rationalize their actions. The arguments, several mentioned above, included:

The assistance was intended only for a university program involved in research and teaching;
The centrifuges would have been for the production of only low enriched uranium for civil reactors and not for nuclear weapons;
Iraq could never have successfully have built a gas centrifuge, so the assistance did not matter;
The specific centrifuges supplied could not have made weapon-grade uranium;
Iraq was a bulwark against Iranian fundamentalism, even though the Iraqi regime was acknowledged as odious;
The German government knew about the business but did not care. Why should the suppliers?
At some point, these centrifuge experts appear to have lost the ability to reflect honestly about their efforts. Finally, they started to lie to themselves.

The German export control system was so weak in the late 1980s, that lying was easy to do. The official investigation that started in 1989 did little to discourage their activities. In fact, it may have inadvertently made them feel invulnerable or immune to police action. Given the huge financial payments Iraq was providing, they had little incentive to stop. Iraq assisted in their self-delusion by not mentioning the true purpose of the items. The Iraqis tried to create a structure where suppliers would provide what they wanted, but never put the supplier in a position to ask the hard questions about the true purpose of their items.

Another factor that served to insulate these Germans was the resistance of their colleagues to reveal their activities to authorities. Germans, among others, are raised to view tattling as morally objectionable. However, this resistance against tattling is perhaps greater in Germany because of the legacy of the Nazi times and widespread disapproval of the Stasi use of informers.

Still, these mitigating factors do not fully explain their actions. Rietz, Hinze's and Schaab's lawyer, says that certainly some people will simply knowingly violate laws for financial gain. But most will not. He says that Iraq made the first steps toward these illegal actions both easy and lucrative. The weak German, Austrian, and Swiss export control systems eased the Iraqi task considerably.

By the time the participants understood the true purpose of their assistance, they were deeply involved. Retreating at that point would have been difficult and risky for most people. Rietz recommends that the time to reflect and stop would have been early in the process. "Once the train leaves the station," he said, "it is hard to get off."

Risks Ahead

Prior to the Allied bombing campaign in January 1991, Iraq never succeeded in producing significant amounts of enriched uranium in its gas centrifuge program. It did run single machine tests for many months in 1990 and accomplished a considerable amount in creating an infrastructure to build and operate centrifuges. Inspectors believe that in early 1991 the Iraqi centrifuge team was close to the point at which it could build and operate a centrifuge with confidence. For more on the program's accomplishments, click here.

Iraq acquired, and still possesses, a remarkable amount of classified and sensitive information about gas centrifuges. It gained considerable experience in gas centrifuges and has had over a decade to ponder its weaknesses and strengths.

Iraq poses a risk in that its centrifuge information could pass to irresponsible agents or other nations, some of which may be seeking nuclear weapons. Even advanced nations would find Iraq's centrifuge information useful to their civil nuclear programs. Few countries have information about 3-meter Urenco centrifuges.

The most frightening risk is that Iraq will reconstitute its centrifuge program to make highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. It would find reconstitution relatively easy to do, although its chances of success would depend on foreign procurement and international intervention.

This is Part III of Case Studies of Illicit Procurement Networks for Iraq

EMIS Procurement
Matrix Churchill
H+H Metalform
Iraq's Acquisition of Gas Centrifuge Technology
Part I
Part II
Part III
Karl Otto Brauer
Banca Nationale de Lavoro

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42 posted on 10/24/2006 2:40:39 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: jveritas

You are, as always, a Great American.

43 posted on 10/24/2006 3:29:00 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Peach

I think the President wants to look forward and win the fight instead of looking backward to justify the war, which is 100% justified.

44 posted on 10/24/2006 5:42:00 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Great work jveritas. It will, of course, never be enough for the msm. For those who care about the truth it is another rock in the foundation of the battlements that stand in opposition to the flood of barbarity and appeasement.

45 posted on 10/24/2006 6:13:18 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6

The truth must be told and those who are from the truth will hear it.

46 posted on 10/24/2006 6:23:06 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas; WmShirerAdmirer
Again thanks for the new translation efforts. And W thanks for the nice follow up on the German issue.
I do hope Freepers realize that Iraq has it's own uranium mines located mostly within the belt of phosphate mines in upper western al Anbar. Many are along the belt just south of the Syrian border from east of the Jordanian border eastward across those high land areas to the Ephrates river around al Quim area. Yes there is a East/West railroad system going the horizontal length of the upper al Anbar province just south of the Syrian border.
And least any Freeper forget, DO REMEMBER, some three hundred tons of yellow cake where found within the nuclear storage facilities in Salmon Pack area where the Hawatiha nuclear plant is located (the one where the 1981 Israeli air raids on the Osirik nuclear plant took place).
Saddam had every intention of fully resurrecting his nuclear weapon programs in full once the sanctions where lifted, and the heat was off.
And as some of you understand. Uranium Hexaflouride gas is produced from chemical processes done after yellow cake is subjected in high temperature ovens and milling process, via. a acid process.
Of course the HF6 is then stored in special tanks and used to feed gas centrafuges to extract the U235.
I continue to wonder why this administration has not drummed into the American public so many facts that are so readily available. If a very clear picture was painted long ago, the Demorats would not have a leg to stand on.
47 posted on 10/24/2006 6:32:34 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: jveritas

The light of truth will prevail. Everlasting darkness is the alternative.

48 posted on 10/24/2006 6:33:03 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Eagles6


49 posted on 10/24/2006 7:01:00 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

but But Saddam didn't attack us...

I personally hate that liberal line... As if Saddam given the chance wouldn't have... So they learned nothing from 911... they will wait until attacked and then say Oh sorry America... What is that about.. like Clinton we failed to connect the dots.. Yeah we tried but failed. So lets go back to that time in history... Doesn't Bill Clinton see just how screwed up that point was.. I tried but failed... 3000 dead American Civilians thanks to a President that tried and failed...

George W. Bush tried and has succeeded. The success in the fact that we have not been attacked since 911.

50 posted on 10/24/2006 7:37:47 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Terrorists cut our heads off and get medals. We put hoods on theirs and get sent to prison. hmmm)
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To: jveritas

Thank you for this.

51 posted on 10/24/2006 9:09:16 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Depose Nancy! What did she know and when did she know it?)
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To: jveritas

I say let history worry about justifying the war; right now, our main task should be to win it.

I mean, how many people actually care why we're over there anymore? I don't, I doubt our soldiers do, and it seems to me that few Freepers do. The only people who do care are the RATS who need an excuse to pull another Vietnam 1975.

Sorry DUmmies, not this time!

52 posted on 10/24/2006 9:19:37 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
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To: jveritas

Hmmm... Nothing on the major news media on this. Wonder why? /sarc

53 posted on 10/25/2006 6:53:18 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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Maybe because the memos didn't specifically say they would be used to restart the nuclear weapons program, or even give a hint as to what they would be used for. A smoking gun would be great, but this isn't it.

54 posted on 10/25/2006 9:38:18 AM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Peach
Was about to see if there was a connection between Dr. David Albright and Maddy Halfbright and the first thing I opened was this little den of RATS working their way around the country disputing everything President Bush has done and says with the aid of their little DVD.


55 posted on 10/25/2006 11:03:14 AM PDT by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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To: jveritas; goarmy

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for all of your work, jveritas.

56 posted on 10/25/2006 11:19:32 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: Tarantulas

These Degussa furnaces were the focus of intensive investigation of the German firm who sold them to Iraq in the 1980’s and the German firm admitted that they did not know that Iraq was going to use it for its nuclear program. The Degussa furnaces were not meant to bake cookies and for the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization to personally ask Saddam Hussein permission to use it and Saddam approval means a lot.

57 posted on 10/25/2006 11:37:13 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Tarantulas
When combined with everything else, the gun may not have been 'smoking', but it was loaded and the hammer was cocked, and it was being flourished offensively.

The world told Saddam to drop said weapon several times.

If this incident occurred between a thug and any police agency, the police would have been justified in shooting him dead.

It may only be one document, but it is one of several thousand.
58 posted on 10/25/2006 12:24:41 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: jveritas

Right, the furnaces aren't used to bake cookies, they are used to melt metal. Someone from the "Military-Industrial Complex" needs a furnace to melt metal to manufacture artillery shells or whatever. He remembers these two big furnaces, so he writes a letter to the head of the Atomic Energy Commission asking if he can use them. The AEC guy checks with Saddam and responds, saying the military guy can use the furnaces.

I always try to think like "the opposition" when reading any of these letters, and these two can be viewed as completely innocent. One explanation of these letters is that since the furnaces were no longer able to be used for a nuclear weapons program due to UN sanctions, they were reallocated to the Iraqi military to assist in manufacturing conventional weapons. And that's probably why these letters won't show up in any MSM stories either. But they do add to a nice overall body of evidence.

59 posted on 10/25/2006 12:53:03 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Tarantulas
You misunderstood the memos. The second memo (memo 2) refers to a meeting between Saddam and the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization that was held months before the MIC asked for the Degussa furnaces, and it was in that early meeting that the Saddam approved the Atomic Energy Organization to use the furnaces and it was given to their “Physics Department” to use it according to the memo 2.

Also the Degussa furnaces were not going to support a major industrial output like melting metals to manufacture hundred if not thousands of shells that Iraqi Army needs. In fact the Iraqis were manufacturing or importing these shells and not depending on any Degussa furnace to be part of the production effort.

60 posted on 10/25/2006 1:00:44 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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