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Crystal Ball 2006: THE PREDICTIONS
Center for Politics ^ | 11/2/06 | Larry Sabato

Posted on 11/02/2006 8:52:38 AM PST by finnman69


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Crystal Ball 2006: THE PREDICTIONSCampaigns Clamor for Last-Minute Midterm "Mo"

Larry J. Sabato and David Wasserman
U.Va. Center for Politics

November 2, 2006

Just how Democratic a year is 2006?

Five days out, let's rephrase the question this way: when's the last time a major political party has failed to capture a single House seat, Senate seat, or governorship of the opposing party in a federal election year?

We bet it's never happened before, and it certainly hasn't happened in the post-World War II era. After all, even when a party suffers miserable net losses, it usually picks up at least several consolation prizes in the form of open seat pickups or an against-the-tide incumbent defeat.

Yet look at our 2006 predictions: at this moment, the Crystal Ball cannot identify a single election for Senate, House or Governor in which a Republican is likely to succeed a Democrat in office. Just imagine how devastating an absolute shutout would be in the eyes of history if this proves to be true!

Sure, we could easily be fooled by more than a few outcomes in this regard on Election Night, and we would probably place the odds of this historical unlikelihood's occurrence at no better than 50/50. But the very notion such a scenario is within the realm of possibilities is a testament to the lopsidedness of this year's theaters of battle.

If little changes between now and Tuesday, there remains little question that the GOP is headed towards devastating losses. And though candidates continue to stress various issues, only one has truly come to define our politics this year: war. Future historians may well look back on this wave election as "The Iraq Midterm," much we look back on the 1966 and 1974 elections as "The Vietnam Midterm" and "The Watergate Midterm" respectively.

Just as in 1975, it is likely that a substantially Democratic freshman class will be sworn into Congress in 2007 (though 2007's won't be nearly as big). Some entering members may prove "one term wonders" and others may show staying power. Most we will have seen coming. But if history is any guide, a handful will have scored fluke victories with under-the-radar, last-minute momentum. Wave elections are volatile, and in our years of publishing, we have never gazed into a stormier Crystal Ball.

Here's our best reading from the perspective of today, and as always, we're sticking our neck out on every race--no fence-straddling allowed--even if "he who lives by the Crystal Ball ends up eating ground glass!"

THE SENATE: Democrats + 6 = 51D, 49R

No one credibly argues that Democrats aren't going to win at least 3 or 4 Senate seats, bringing the GOP down to 51 or 52 seats. But increasingly it looks like they will win five (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Montana, and Rhode Island, in that order, and at least one of Missouri, Virginia, or Tennessee). To get the magic 6 they need for control, Democrats need 2 of those 3. Gravy would be all 3, giving them a 52 seat majority.

The Crystal Ball sees either 5 or 6 seats going to the Democrats, resting party control of the Senate squarely on the edge of the butter knife. Are there places the GOP could gain a seat? The only nearly even-money bet is New Jersey, followed closely by Maryland, but both states usually disappoint Republicans in the end. Long-shot possibilities are Michigan, Nebraska, and Washington, with none looking likely at the moment.

Several weeks ago, we collectively referred to the races in Missouri, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Tennessee, and Virginia as the "Fundamental Five." But with New Jersey and Rhode Island looking less likely to fall to the GOP, we might as well refer to the remaining great triumvirate as the "Threshold Three." Whichever party wins the heart of these races will win control, and as of now, here are our best bets:

Senate Predictions

(Note: These calls are susceptible to change as events warrant!)

Each race is categorized by its current Crystal Ball Outlook, with a colored arrow denoting noticeable momentum in one direction or the other. Red arrows () indicate momentum for the Republican candidate, while blue arrows () signify momentum for the Democratic candidate.

Republican Held Seats up for Election in 2006: 15 (out of 55 held)

Solid R (7) Likely R (0) Leans R (1) Toss-up (3) Leans D (2) Likely D (1) Solid D (1)

IN (Lugar) AZ (Kyl) VA (Allen) MT (Burns) OH (DeWine) PA (Santorum)

ME (Snowe) MO (Talent) RI (Chafee)

MS (Lott) TN (OPEN)

NV (Ensign)

TX (Hutchison)

UT (Hatch)

WY (Thomas)

WV (Byrd)

WI (Kohl)

NY (Clinton)

NM (Bingaman)

ND (Conrad)

MA (Kennedy)

HI (Akaka)

FL (Nelson)

WA (Cantwell) DE (Carper)

NE (Nelson) CT (Lieberman*)

MN (OPEN) VT (OPEN)

NJ (Menendez) MD (OPEN) MI (Stabenow) CA (Feinstein)

Solid R (0) Likely R (0) Leans R (0) Toss-up (1) Leans D (1) Likely D (4) Solid D (12)

Democratic Held Seats up for Election: 18 (out of 45 held)

The Brutal B - November 2, 2006: +5 to +6 D

Click here for individual Senate race analysis.

THE HOUSE: Democrats + 27 = 230D, 205R

In a volatile election year such as 2006 (and volatile is a big understatement), the playing field can expand quickly, and it only expands more rapidly closer to the election. Our list of truly competitive House seats is now up to about 60, and its composition only vaguely resembles the target lists of 30 to 40 both we and party committees adhered to in the summer and early autumn. Lucky for us, we don't have to shell out any money to add a new race to the Crystal Ball's competitive list!

For leaders of party committees, though, an expanding field is a complex nightmare and seeking to plug in to every district legitimately in play is like playing a game of whack-a-mole. They must plot and re-plot to cover as many contestable races as possible without spreading resources too thin. The side that adapts with the most speed and agility usually comes out on top.

We at the Crystal Ball have this creeping suspicion: the decision of both parties to go to bat in the neighborhood of 50 target districts means that Democrats will likely win more than enough races to take control (+23 to 30), but will end up leaving several of their 2nd or 3rd tier candidates stranded on 2nd or 3rd base with 47 or 48 percent of the vote on Election Night. Below are our best bet predictions for the current "toss-up" races; for the rest of our forecasts, see the following HotRace Readings chart.

House Toss-up Predictions

(Note: These calls are susceptible to change as events warrant!)

Each race is categorized by its current Crystal Ball Outlook, with a colored arrow denoting noticeable momentum in one direction or the other. Red arrows () indicate momentum for the Republican candidate, while blue arrows () signify momentum for the Democratic candidate.

Republican Held Seats in Play: 81 (151 Safe/Solid R)

Likely R (22) Leans R (22) Toss-up (25) Leans D (9) Likely D (3)
CA-26 (Dreier) AZ-01 (Renzi) AZ-05 (Hayworth) FL-13 (OPEN) AZ-08 (OPEN)
CO-06 (Tancredo) CA-04 (Doolittle) CA-11 (Pombo) IN-02 (Chocola) CO-07 (OPEN)
FL-05 (Brown-Waite) CA-50 (Bilbray) CO-04 (Musgrave) IA-01 (OPEN) IN-08 (Hostettler)
FL-08 (Keller) CO-05 (OPEN) CT-02 (Simmons) NY-24 (OPEN)
FL-09 (OPEN) ID-01 (OPEN) CT-04 (Shays) NC-11 (Taylor)
IL-11 (Weller) IL-10 (Kirk) CT-05 (Johnson) OH-18 (OPEN)
IL-19 (Shimkus) IA-02 (Leach) FL-16 (OPEN) PA-06 (Gerlach)
IN-03 (Souder) KS-02 (Ryun) FL-22 (Shaw) PA-07 (Weldon)
MI-07 (OPEN) KY-02 (Lewis) IL-06 (OPEN) PA-10 (Sherwood)
MI-08 (Rogers) MN-01 (Gutknecht) IN-09 (Sodrel)
MI-09 (Knollenberg) NE-03 (OPEN) KY-03 (Northup)
MN-02 (Kline) NV-02 (OPEN) KY-04 (Davis)
MT-AL (Rehberg) NV-03 (Porter) MN-06 (OPEN)
NE-01 (Fortenberry) NJ-07 (Ferguson) NH-02 (Bass)
NH-01 (Bradley) NY-19 (Kelly) NM-01 (Wilson)
NJ-05 (Garrett) NY-25 (Walsh) NY-20 (Sweeney)
NY-03 (King) NY-29 (Kuhl) NY-26 (Reynolds)
NY-13 (Fossella) NC-08 (Hayes) OH-01 (Chabot)

OH-12 (Tiberi) PA-04 (Hart) OH-02 (Schmidt)

PA-18 (Murphy) VA-10 (Wolf) OH-15 (Pryce)

WA-05 (McMorris) TX-23 (Bonilla) TX-22 (OPEN)

WV-02 (Capito) WY-AL (Cubin) PA-08 (Fitzpatrick)

VA-02 (Drake)

WA-08 (Reichert)

WI-08 (OPEN)

WV-01 (Mollohan)
IA-03 (Boswell) VT-AL (OPEN)
IL-08 (Bean) TX-17 (Edwards)
GA-12 (Barrow) OH-06 (OPEN)
GA-08 (Marshall) LA-03 (Melancon)
Likely R (0) Leans R (0) Toss-up (0) Leans D (4) Likely D (5)

Democratic Held Seats in Play: 9 (194 Safe/Solid D)

The Brutal B - November 2, 2006: +24 to +30 D

Click here for individual House race analysis.

THE GOVERNORSHIPS: Democrats + 7 = 29D, 21R

The part of the election that is arguably most important gets the least coverage, and here the Democrats are nearly guaranteed to do very well. Don't forget that there are nine open REPUBLICAN governorships and just one open DEMOCRATIC governorship (Iowa). Most change occurs in open races, ergo, the Democrats have had a superb chance to make gains from the beginning. And they've capitalized on it.

The Crystal Ball projects that Democrats will easily claim a majority of the statehouses after the votes are counted, moving from 22 today to 28-30. The prized pickup for Democrats will be Ohio: although the Empire State's population dwarfs the Buckeye State's, Ohio towers over New York in presidential importance and a big win there will give the state's Democrats newfound confidence and institutional thrust moving forward towards 2008. Colorado and Arkansas will also be key Democratic pickups; Maryland and Massachusetts are guaranteed to vote Democratic in 2008 so gubernatorial gains there won't matter as much for the White House.

Note that the endangered Democratic incumbent governors may all win--not because they are strong, but because the GOP is so weak this year (think Michigan, Oregon, Maine, Wisconsin, and Illinois). Also keep in mind that even strong GOP governors may lose simply because of the R next to their name (think Maryland and Minnesota). Here are our best bets:

Governor Predictions

(Note: These calls are susceptible to change as events warrant!)

Each race is categorized by its current Crystal Ball Outlook, with a colored arrow denoting noticeable momentum in one direction or the other. Red arrows () indicate momentum for the Republican candidate, while blue arrows () signify momentum for the Democratic candidate.

Republican Held Seats up for Election in 2006: 22 (out of 28 held)

Solid R (6) Likely R (4) Leans R (5) Toss-up (1) Leans D (1) Likely D (4) Solid D (1)

CT (Rell) AL (Riley) AK (OPEN) MN (Pawlenty) MD (Ehrlich) AR (OPEN) NY (OPEN)

HI (Lingle) CA (Schwarzenegger) ID (OPEN) CO (OPEN)

NE (Heineman) GA (Perdue) FL (OPEN) MA (OPEN)

SD (Rounds) SC (Sanford) NV (OPEN) OH (OPEN)

VT (Douglas) RI (Carcieri)

TX (Perry)

WY (Freudenthal)

TN (Bredesen)

WI (Doyle) PA (Rendell)

MI (Granholm) OK (Henry)

ME (Baldacci) NM (Richardson)

IA (OPEN) NH (Lynch)

OR (Kulongoski) IL (Blagojevich) KS (Sebelius) AZ (Napolitano)

Solid R (0) Likely R (0) Leans R (0) Toss-up (1) Leans D (5) Likely D (1) Solid D (7)

Democratic Held Seats up for Election: 14 (out of 22 held)

The Brutal B - November 2, 2006: +6 to +8 D

Click here for individual Governor race analysis.

Overall Outlook

The Democrats will have to TRY to lose this election. Yes, they've had a lot of experience in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and Sen. John Kerry is doing his best to provide two of those election years in a row (Brilliant remark, John, absolutely brilliant, proving why you lost in '04 and why you're not going to be the Democratic nominee again in '08).

We are probably headed for a familiar period of divided government, just we had in 1947-48, 1955-60, 1981-92, 1993-2000, and June 2001-2002. Six Presidents have experienced divided government since World War II, including George W. Bush via the Senate for 18 months. Life goes on. Americans in many ways like to build in more checks and balances to the Founders' model of separation of powers. Dividing power reduces the potential for abuse of power, or so the theory goes, and since many Americans aren't crazy about either major party, the idea of letting them fight it out between the branches, or between the houses of a bicameral Congress, appeals to millions of citizens.

And fight they will. A short and maybe nonexistent period of "bipartisan working together," which may be measured in hours or minutes, will be followed by a two-year campaign to break the deadlock one way or another in the elections of '08. And your Crystal Ball will be with you all the way to catalogue the fun. Happy election, everyone!


NOTE: We'll be back in your in-box very early on Monday morning with any last-minute alterations to the predictions list. Late bombshells, scandals, and other developments can always alter the picture. We've cautioned a thousand times in every medium: "Don't pull down the curtain on an election until election day!" We really do believe that.




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Let's see how accurate Sabato is. Look for a last second hedge to cover his ass.

His bottom line prediction: THE SENATE: Democrats + 6 = 51D, 49R THE HOUSE: Democrats + 27 = 230D, 205R THE GOVERNORSHIPS: Democrats + 7 = 29D, 21R

1 posted on 11/02/2006 8:52:49 AM PST by finnman69
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To: finnman69
Okay, these slimy polls, MSM and doom sayers convinced me to stay home November 7, 2006.

I voted early and for all Republicans.
2 posted on 11/02/2006 8:55:53 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: finnman69

How accurate was Sabato in 2004?


3 posted on 11/02/2006 8:56:02 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: frogjerk

Sabado was quoted all day in '04 about the dems winning...answer your question ?.....lol


4 posted on 11/02/2006 8:58:33 AM PST by advertising guy
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To: finnman69
". . . We bet it's never happened before, and it certainly hasn't happened in the post-World War II era . . ."

This guy is supposed to be a professor and a political expert and he doesn't know what happened in his field of expertise prior to 1941. And he's too lazy to look it up.
5 posted on 11/02/2006 8:59:37 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: advertising guy

Leiberman crosses the aisle = 50-50, Cheney breaks the tie.


6 posted on 11/02/2006 9:01:03 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: finnman69
..wait till the numbers flow in from the last 72 hrs...

Pollsters and pundits never learn...

7 posted on 11/02/2006 9:02:55 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: advertising guy

Based on early voting, and gop intesity this year, I think Allen, Burns, Talent, Corker, Steele, Dewine, Kean, Chaffee have a good chance of winning. I'm not as brave as some, so I'm only going say the republicans keep 54 seats in the Senate.
As for the House at worst the GOP loses 12 seats. With the Kerry debacle maybe they hold on to Delay's and Foleys seats as well for 222.


8 posted on 11/02/2006 9:03:47 AM PST by jsmaineconservative
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To: frogjerk

Sabato was failry accurate in 2004. He claims he is very accurate.

His final was a 269-269 electoral tie and he got Florida and Wisconsin both wrong going for Kerry.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=LJS2004110901

We're proud of our record at the Crystal Ball, having forecast 525 of 530 contests correctly--a 99 percent accuracy rating. We missed one Senate race, one House race, one governor's race, and two states in the Electoral College, and like all political analysts reading the election returns, we are kicking ourselves for getting those wrong! But it was our best year ever, and we are thrilled.


9 posted on 11/02/2006 9:04:22 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Did they take the squirrel attack on the Post Office employee into account?


10 posted on 11/02/2006 9:04:40 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA)
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To: finnman69
Sabato - partisan hack. Please see:

Professor (Larry Sabato) Says Senator Used Racial Slur

and

Larry Sabato Recants, Didn't Hear Allen

11 posted on 11/02/2006 9:05:30 AM PST by Quilla
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To: finnman69
But increasingly it looks like they will win five (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Montana, and Rhode Island, in that order, and at least one of Missouri, Virginia, or Tennessee).

Sorry, Larry, they may win Rhode Island and one of Ohio and Pennsylvania. They will win none of Missouri, Virginia, or Tennessee. That would be Dems +2. Add in the probable GOP win in MD and possible win in New Jersey and that's a wash.

12 posted on 11/02/2006 9:05:32 AM PST by mak5
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To: frogjerk; All
How accurate was Sabato in 2004?

Read for yourself from his own site:

Kerry Will Beat George Bush (2004)

The Final Predictions
Larry J. Sabato
Director, U.Va. Center for Politics
As we conclude this amazing election campaign, we have just one question for our readers: When has an incumbent candidate ever won when he is tied with his challenger on election eve? The answer is never--at least in the age of polling that began in the 1930s. So George W. Bush needs to beat history, and the polls, to win the election tomorrow. It is possible that the vagaries of the Electoral College will enable Bush to eke out a victory, and it is also possible that the Republican Party's get out the vote effort will equal or exceed the Democrats' GOTV efforts. But if the Democrats are even half-right about the potential of their GOTV in producing additional new voters, then Kerry will win, perhaps more comfortably than anyone now suspects.

13 posted on 11/02/2006 9:06:26 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: finnman69

"Spppfffttt...(cough, cough)"

Here, man, smoke a little more of this one. It's far out!!!....


14 posted on 11/02/2006 9:07:06 AM PST by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: SkyPilot
When has an incumbent candidate ever won when he is tied with his challenger on election eve? The answer is never--at least in the age of polling that began in the 1930s.

W. Misunderestimated again!

15 posted on 11/02/2006 9:08:07 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: mak5
Maryland - Leans Dem - Ben Cardin (D) will defeat Michael Steele (R). Though Steele has had a comparatively good month, we just don't buy the argument that he is within striking distance of the more ideologically in-step (if boring) Cardin.

Someone missed todays poll where he cut Cardin lead in half. Now down only 6pts.

16 posted on 11/02/2006 9:09:07 AM PST by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: WalterSkinner
Even Sabato correctly comments on how Dems shoot themsleves in the foot. And a Kerry bitch slap!

The Democrats will have to TRY to lose this election. Yes, they've had a lot of experience in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and Sen. John Kerry is doing his best to provide two of those election years in a row (Brilliant remark, John, absolutely brilliant, proving why you lost in '04 and why you're not going to be the Democratic nominee again in '08).

17 posted on 11/02/2006 9:10:09 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: SkyPilot

He asks when is the last time the president's party failed to capture a single seat from the other party? How about 1994?? As I recall not one single GOP Senate or House seat, or governorship, flipped to the Dems in that year.

We can only hope he and most of the other experts are wrong but when even analysts on the right say the GOP will probably lose control of one or both houses, then the outlook is not good. It will take a little miracle to gain a victory.


18 posted on 11/02/2006 9:10:16 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: frogjerk
Sabato definitely overestimated the Kerry vote for President in '04 (had Florida leaning for Kerry, for example - Bush won by a significant amount). On the House, he was dead-on though (called 232R-203D which was exactly right), and had the Senate as 53R-46D, which was off by 1R - with one Independent.

I think what he is missing this year is the same thing that all pollsters are missing: their methods no longer provide reliable results, as vast swaths of Republican voters are not responsive to polling (or included in it), and yet turn out in far greater numbers than ever before on Election Day. We'll see.

19 posted on 11/02/2006 9:11:29 AM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: Amalie
I really don't understand how democrats can predict victory at this point. Our voter intensity is greater than theirs, early voting results clearly point this out. All the gop get out to vote efforts from ohio to missiouri are significantly ahead of 2004's pace. If the left is going to hang their hats on biased, left-leaning polls, okay. They are just fooling themselves.
20 posted on 11/02/2006 9:12:00 AM PST by jsmaineconservative
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To: finnman69
Crystal Ball, ya it fell on the floor and it is what we will crawl over to prove you wrong Larry !
21 posted on 11/02/2006 9:13:00 AM PST by taildragger
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To: finnman69
THE HOUSE: Democrats + 27 = 230D, 205R

If this happens, Dubya gets his arse savagely - and popularly - impeached in 2007, and the GOP won't see control of the House in a decade or more.

I don't think it's going to happen, though. But if it does, take the rose-colored glasses off, folks. There is utterly no upside to this.

22 posted on 11/02/2006 9:13:55 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: finnman69
No one credibly argues that Democrats aren't going to win at least 3 or 4 Senate seats, bringing the GOP down to 51 or 52 seats. But increasingly it looks like they will win five (Pennsylvania, Ohio, Montana, and Rhode Island, in that order, and at least one of Missouri, Virginia, or Tennessee). To get the magic 6 they need for control, Democrats need 2 of those 3. Gravy would be all 3, giving them a 52 seat majority.

Bullsh*t, Larry. Steele will win in Maryland and you didn't even MENTION that. I also think Allen will win, Webb is NOT going to beat him, Talent will squeak by, and we might hang on to Burns, Santorum, or DeWine, albeit not all three.

23 posted on 11/02/2006 9:16:02 AM PST by RockinRight (Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
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To: massgopguy

Lieberman was consistently said he will caucus with the dems, who he agrees with much more often than he does with the GOP. Not a chance he caucuses with the GOP, sorry.


24 posted on 11/02/2006 9:16:23 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: finnman69
Fall 2006 headline:

Larry Sabato is a Pumpkinhead!...and if I had a kid attending U.Va. Center for Politics, I'd want my money back.

25 posted on 11/02/2006 9:17:52 AM PST by floozy22
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To: icwhatudo

There are other polls showing the race tied.


26 posted on 11/02/2006 9:18:22 AM PST by RockinRight (Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
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To: HitmanLV
I don't think it's going to happen, though. But if it does, take the rose-colored glasses off, folks. There is utterly no upside to this.

Repeat that over and over to the "cut-and-run so-called conservatives" who want to "sit out" this election.

27 posted on 11/02/2006 9:19:48 AM PST by RockinRight (Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
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To: RockinRight
OK.

"I don't think it's going to happen, though. But if it does, take the rose-colored glasses off, folks. There is utterly no upside to this."

"I don't think it's going to happen, though. But if it does, take the rose-colored glasses off, folks. There is utterly no upside to this."

"I don't think it's going to happen, though. But if it does, take the rose-colored glasses off, folks. There is utterly no upside to this."

;-)
28 posted on 11/02/2006 9:20:58 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

Demographics are not on the GOP's side, so it is critically important that the Republicans hold on now, and implement as much of the conservative agenda as possible, and hope it lasts. In ten years, there will be more red states that have trended blue than the other way around.

And one thing that would help a new Democrat majority keep that status is the mainstream media. I know they are not as important as they used to be, but they still matter. How else can you explain the awful polling numbers for Bush and the GOP on the economy? If it were the Clinton era, the media would be trumpeting every bit of good news, and similarly, if the Democrats take charge, then suddenly everything won't be so bad in 2008.


29 posted on 11/02/2006 9:23:44 AM PST by Aetius
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To: finnman69

This outlook is more optimistic than even the DNC, from what I can tell! What does that tell us?


30 posted on 11/02/2006 9:26:34 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Aetius
A few conservatives and Freepers have hung their hat on the idea that if the dems win congress, it will be short lived when America sees what they do. Dumb.

The media will help market whatever nutty things spring from the Congress, and will help make an impeachment of Dubya a popular one.

This doesn't please me, but I think it's true.
31 posted on 11/02/2006 9:26:57 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Aetius

There's another demographic working for Republicans. Younger people are more Republican than older people. A decade of older, solid Dhimmi voters will die off replaced by younger GOP trending voters.


32 posted on 11/02/2006 9:27:35 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: finnman69

Probably the worst election prognosticators out there are political science professors. It galls the political scientists no end that economists usually construct better election prediction models.

My wife's friend worked for Larry Sabato when she was an undergraduate at UVa. Although he tries to conceal it, she said Sabato is a very partisan Democrat. I think his heart is overruling his head here. Although it might be a bad night for the Republicans, it won't be the wipeout that Sabato is predicting.


33 posted on 11/02/2006 9:29:44 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I don't like lines either. I already voted.


34 posted on 11/02/2006 9:34:57 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Aetius

Oh you are such a liar!

1) The demographics are moving to the red states
2) The demographics are moving to the red districts within the red state. Bush won the 99.9% of the fastest growing districts
3) Conservatives are having far more children than liberals.
4) Electoral votes are moving to red states.
5) The Dem Media is decreasing in terms of viewership, both in print and in tv, while Nielson has just reported that there are far more conservatives on the internet and new media

So take your liberal lies elsewhere you liberal punk thug


35 posted on 11/02/2006 9:36:52 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: HitmanLV
You believe that there is a huge well of Bush hatred out there? How does that explain the reaction he gets wherever he goes?

I never fell for the "everyone hates Clinton" stuff, and I'm not sure I'm falling for the "everyone hates Bush" stuff either.

Apathy I can agree with. Frustration with Iraq, I get. Confusion, ok. But hatred enough to impeach, I'm just not convinced that would be popular.

BTW, I am not arguing with your basic premise. Just the "and popularly" part. There is absolutely not upside if we lose, and a decade is probably optimistic. Generations is more accurate. We're still trying to escape the Ghost of Watergate.
36 posted on 11/02/2006 9:37:04 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: finnman69
Sabato has actually gone on record to predict that NOT ONE REPUBLICAN WILL SUCCEED A DEMOCRAT.

In fact, I'd wager that he's predicting that all Republicans in the United States melt into puddles of butter.

37 posted on 11/02/2006 9:39:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (I love you.... but not in a gay way.)
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To: pollyannaish
I understand and let me clarify. I don't think there is a very strong anti-Bush sentiment amounting to an animated Bush hatred. The passionate Bush haters in 2006 are the same ones from 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2005. If I had to guess, I'd say maybe as high as 15-20% of the electorate.

By 'popular' I mean the dominant media will present the impeachment proceedings as something serious, important, and just, much the same way they presented the Clinton impeachment proceedings as something not serious, unimportant and unjust.

I think they will convince many people with their campaign. That's all I meant by 'popular.'
38 posted on 11/02/2006 9:43:14 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

Liberman's 'price' to go along with his party will go up by a factor of 10 after what they did to him.


39 posted on 11/02/2006 9:49:11 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Sabato discredited himself when he accused Allen of using the N word then had to retract the statement. He leans RAT.


40 posted on 11/02/2006 9:49:39 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: finnman69

He told his constituency he will caucus with the dems - they are counting on him to do that. He won't betray them.


41 posted on 11/02/2006 9:50:17 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: frogjerk

He missed 1 House race (Baron Hill lost) and 1 Senate race (Tony Knowles lost). Best track record in prognostication, although he did lose the Presidency.


42 posted on 11/02/2006 9:57:42 AM PST by youthgonewild
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To: finnman69
What a crock!! My prediction: The Rs gain in both Houses. Wishful thinking? Maybe. But we've got Kerry on our side, and there's still plenty of time for Dhimms to shoot themselves in the foot.
43 posted on 11/02/2006 10:00:22 AM PST by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win...But America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats!)
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To: HitmanLV

Thanks, I understand and agree I wish I knew what could be done about the dominant media. They have really done an effective job of shutting down the "bully pulpit" this election season and trotting out the cut and runners in the GOP over and over again.

Oh well. I think I need to just turn the TV off for the next few days before they tick me off any further.


45 posted on 11/02/2006 10:06:26 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: youthgonewild

He blows the presidency youth, and you consider that allright?

The guy predicted a Busby win in the Cal 50 in June.


46 posted on 11/02/2006 10:06:34 AM PST by Welike ike
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To: TNCMAXQ

While 1994 was a great year for the GOP they did lose three house seats to the Democrats one from Maine the seat held by Sen Snowe, one in PA, the Santorum seat went to the Democrats and a RI house seat which Kennedy won was a Republican he gave it up to run for Governor, I would be highly shocked if the GOP does not pick up a seat somewhere.


47 posted on 11/02/2006 10:07:10 AM PST by THE MODERATE
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To: pollyannaish

Keep the faith!


48 posted on 11/02/2006 10:08:20 AM PST by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV

Hitman, all those moderate DEMS in the South and west would not vote for Impeachment. They would get kicked out in 2008.

You think Gene Taylor and Skelton would vote for Impeachment, and it would die in the Senate.


49 posted on 11/02/2006 10:10:02 AM PST by Welike ike
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To: HitmanLV

Fortunately I'm not discouraged as much as irritated.

Wish they'd let Kerry out of his cage for awhile. That was fun while it lasted.


50 posted on 11/02/2006 10:10:45 AM PST by pollyannaish
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