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In Ancient Fossils, Seeds of a New Debate on Warming
NY Times ^
| November 7, 2006
| WILLIAM J. BROAD
Posted on 11/06/2006 10:11:27 PM PST by neverdem
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This is the first story in the science section. Al Gore might have a stroke.
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posted on
11/06/2006 10:11:30 PM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
The big picture is hard to impress on a typical human, obssessed with events in ones self centered tiny lifespan. The panic of the 24 hour news cycle screaming with self importance and doom unless we just listen to them dominates.
To: All
The carbon dioxide levels were roughly 16 times higher than today. Surprisingly, the scientists said, this appeared to coincide with wide glaciation, an analysis, wrote Crayton J. Yapp and Harald Poths in the journal Nature, that suggests that the climate models require modification.
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posted on
11/06/2006 10:31:25 PM PST
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: neverdem
All reasonable measures say it has been much hotter multiple times in the past, although not in the last 10,000 years.
That doesn't mean its not gonna be a problem if it returns to higher temperatures.
But even though the temperature is certainly going up sharply for the last 30 years that does not mean humans are causing it.
Its three different issues - that's part Al wants to gloss over - that warming, the problems coming from the warming and causation are not the same.
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posted on
11/06/2006 10:33:09 PM PST
by
gondramB
(It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
To: neverdem
Skeptics say CO2 crusaders simply find the Phanerozoic data embarrassing and irreconcilable with public alarms. People come to me and say, Stop talking like this, youre hurting the cause, said Dr. Giegengack of Penn. A sure sign of an agenda corrupting science.
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posted on
11/06/2006 10:36:49 PM PST
by
Antonello
(Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
To: neverdem
Here's the NYT chart...
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posted on
11/06/2006 10:41:51 PM PST
by
Dallas59
(Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
To: neverdem
Global warming appears to be a natural cycle, nothing more.
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posted on
11/06/2006 10:48:36 PM PST
by
TBP
(tlery, sinceideology.)
To: neverdem
The reason climate science is such a fraud is they never mention what the Earth (and weather) was like before and after Noah's flood (only 4000 years ago). All this talk about millions of years is pure fantasy and conjecture. I mean how can you be a legitimate scientist if you don't acknowledge the Chief Architect of all creation, and His word the Bible.
To: neverdem
The Global Warming pornographers won't like this.
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posted on
11/06/2006 11:16:59 PM PST
by
Mike Darancette
( Europe will either become Christian again or become Muslim. Not the "culture of nothing".)
To: gondramB
"That doesn't mean its not gonna be a problem if it returns to higher temperatures."That doesn't mean theres gonna be a "problem" either.
Ive noticed to many, especially the more hysterical warming-wackos, "higher temperatures" brings to mind images of global desertification.
Earths history suggests the opposite is true.
Im planning a nice bannanna plantation in Central Canada...
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posted on
11/07/2006 12:13:44 AM PST
by
gnarledmaw
(I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
To: gnarledmaw
I wasn't think so much of farming as effects on coastal populations, which are quite large.
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posted on
11/07/2006 12:20:00 AM PST
by
gondramB
(It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
To: gondramB
I wasnt really talking farming either. Im suggesting moving, I believe Ive read that there would be a net gain in arable temperate land. Now I suppose that coastal populations could stay and try to grow gills or build megadikes around every city but I just dont see those things as being much in the way of a survival solution.
I understand that rapidly migrating masses can and have caused turmoil. The wise plan then, if sea levels show any significant, immanent or "rapid" rise, is for governments to do their best to work out plans to handle the situation in advance of migrant arrival and for individuals to stop investing in beach front property.
The PETM didnt swallow coasts overnight and whatever this event will come to be called (if anything) wont either. The only reason theres a "problem" is because some wish there to be one as a tool to control masses. Admitting that there is no way to dial down the output of the sun or that mankind has experienced many mass migrations just doesnt gain those few any additional power.
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11/07/2006 1:14:49 AM PST
by
gnarledmaw
(I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
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posted on
11/07/2006 1:29:22 AM PST
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
Most inhabited 'coastal areas' are sinking far faster because of groundwater pumping than any ocean rise from the current ending of the 'mini-IceAge' (that which the Libtard Chicken Littles decry as 'man-made' carbon related).
To: Names Ash Housewares
They have also gained insights from computer models Ah, yes. The almighty computer models, infallible recreators of reality. I've created some computer models in Excel that disprove global warming. Want to see them?
Oh, and whoever taught this writer to write should have taught them to GET TO THE POINT. Half of the first part of this article should have been edited out. Yeesh what a wordy, pointless bunch of rambling. I recognize the symptoms because I tend to suffer the same problem myself.
Did I ever tell you about a cat I once owned? Well anyway, he was a big fat, gray tomcat . . .
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posted on
11/07/2006 3:07:56 AM PST
by
Hardastarboard
(Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
To: gondramB
All reasonable measures say it has been much hotter multiple times in the past, although not in the last 10,000 years. That stands to reason since it is generally accepted that the earth has been exiting an ice age for about the past 18,000 or so years....
To: Thermalseeker
>>That stands to reason since it is generally accepted that the earth has been exiting an ice age for about the past 18,000 or so years....<<
Yep, that is one of several reason we cant just assume global warming is human caused.
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posted on
11/07/2006 5:41:26 AM PST
by
gondramB
(It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
To: Antonello
Skeptics say CO2 crusaders simply find the Phanerozoic data embarrassing and irreconcilable with public alarms. People come to me and say, Stop talking like this, youre hurting the cause, said Dr. Giegengack of Penn. A sure sign of an agenda corrupting science.
Ding, ding, ding -- we have a winnah...
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posted on
11/07/2006 7:18:35 AM PST
by
GOPJ
(The MSM is so busy kissing democrat butt they ignore truth. Come up for air guys.)
To: neverdem
To: neverdem
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