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Vatican cardinal says U.S.-Mexico fence "inhuman"
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-11-14T155849Z_01_L14287390_RTRUKOC_0_US-POPE-IMMIGRATION-FENCE.xml&src=rss&rpc=22 ^ | Philip Pullella

Posted on 11/14/2006 7:07:15 PM PST by Robert Drobot

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To: xcamel; Sidebar Moderator

Ping to post #2.


21 posted on 11/14/2006 7:55:06 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: M203M4
Yes it seems as the old "Do as I say, Not as I do." law is at work here. No wonder catholics tend to be dems.
22 posted on 11/14/2006 7:55:28 PM PST by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: xcamel
Cardinal Martino is just one Cardinal and does not speak for the Vatican. He is very liberal and lost out to Pope Benedict XVI by a long shot.

Additionally, Catholic teaching clearly recognizes the right of a country to make laws regulating immigration to protect the greater good of the country.

23 posted on 11/14/2006 7:55:46 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: 353FMG
The church has lots of gold in Mexico and yet it still takes donations from poor people. Now they are talking down at us because we want to defend our own borders.
I think they need to practice what they preach and stay out of our affairs.
24 posted on 11/14/2006 7:56:19 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: o-n-money

IT IS NOT THE VATICAN SPEAKING -- IT'S JUST ONE LIBERAL CARDINAL!!


25 posted on 11/14/2006 7:56:50 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

IT IS REALLY POOR FORM TO BASH THE CATHOLIXC CHURCH BECAUSE OF THE STATEMENTS OF ONE LIBERAL BISHOP!! KNOCK IT OFF!!


26 posted on 11/14/2006 7:58:20 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

You act like the gold is an asset in a bank account. If the Catholic Church has gold, most of it is locked up in things that are shared with many others, in terms of art, and vessels used in religious ceremonies.


27 posted on 11/14/2006 7:58:38 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: oldenuff2no

Well said. They do take from the poor. And if they want to be charitable then they ought to open their own coffers and support the Mexicans or they ought to mind their own business. Why don't they take down their walls and get rid of their guards too? I am sure the Mexicans would like the Vatican City.


28 posted on 11/14/2006 8:03:43 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: CWW
"IT IS REALLY POOR FORM TO BASH THE CATHOLIXC CHURCH BECAUSE OF THE STATEMENTS OF ONE LIBERAL BISHOP!! KNOCK IT OFF!!"

Freaking divide and conquerer reuters again...spit.

29 posted on 11/14/2006 8:05:31 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
Freaking divide and conquerer reuters again...spit.

Certain FReepers are all too willing to fall for it as well, given their predisposition.

30 posted on 11/14/2006 8:07:26 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Robert Drobot

I suppose locks on the Vatican palace museum gates are inhuman too, no? Bad Vatican. And that SAME cardinal came out and said that everyone should obey the law. Well, which is it? These leftists just never seem to think things through. This guy should shut up and pray.


31 posted on 11/14/2006 8:09:54 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Robert Drobot
This is a map of Vatican City:

This cardinal should note that Vatican City has been protected by a wall for over a thousand years. And I would bet a month's salary that he has a lock on his front door, too.

32 posted on 11/14/2006 8:16:17 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Cardinal, how about if we charter half a dozen 747s and start a humanitarian air bridge and fly a half million Mexicans to the welcoming arms of the Vatican???
33 posted on 11/14/2006 8:25:05 PM PST by cookcounty (Murtha: Is that an Albatross or an Osprey around his neck?)
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Sorry, but last time I looked, no Cardinal has any say in the security of the United States.

The Vatican still has a wall around it, does it not ???

This isnt the Berlin Wall, keeping people in.
34 posted on 11/14/2006 8:46:49 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: Robert Drobot

Someone in Rome needs a nice big cup of STFU.


35 posted on 11/14/2006 8:51:36 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Robert Drobot; All
Cardinal Martino's views are not necessarily the views of the Vatican. Martino is an anti-American socialist, the permanent observer to the United Nations, and unfortunately, made president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace under Pope John Paul II. He would never have been chosen for the post by Pope Benedict.

Please consider the following from my notes:

Michael Novak Attacks Cardinal Martino, Defends the Iraq War

Sept 16, 2004

"Martino? There he goes again! The Italian newspaper Il Foglio ran a piece Dec. 16 about the frustration at the Vatican, at the secretariat of state, with the imprudent, irascible anti-Americanism of Cardinal Martino, an unfortunate recent appointment (late last year) to the Council for Justice and Peace, who has not ceased being an embarrassment to his superiors." By Michael Novak.

(Source unknown, 17 December 2003)

"When I was in Rome last February, Cardinal Martino was already under heavy fire for his intemperate and irrepressible anti-Americanism. Even those who before the war leaned more to the French/German position than to the American were dismayed by his uncalled-for comments.

Il Foglio pointed out today that Cardinal Sodano, the secretary of state (the official who functions something like a prime minister for the Vatican, the top leader of administration domestic and foreign), not only changed the whole title of the document on World Peace released today but also edited out the most offensive passages of Cardinal Martino, from whose department the draft arrived in the last few days.

"The title, for example, went from "International Law, a Way of Peace," to the less ideological "An Ever Timely Commitment: Teaching Peace." Other rhetorical flourishes were also edited out, according to Il Foglio."

It is important that those of you who so quickly condemn the Vatican understand that the very same schism dividing our country also exists within the Church. I would hope you will make yourselves aware of those divisions and that you would consider "rooting" for Pope Benedict's conservatism to win out, whether you are religious or not.

36 posted on 11/14/2006 9:15:23 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Hey, before we go on with the Catholic bashing...

realize this Cardinal Martino is a loose cannon. He has been reprimanded more than once by this Pope and previous one for talking out of turn, and giving his opinion as official view of the Pope when it was not.

Martino was the spokesman all over the news before we went into Iraq condemning America (Pope John Paul II, contrary to popular belief never "condemned" the Iraq war).

Everyone knows Martino is a a leftist and America-hater. The MSM misleads people when it says "The Vatican" which implies it's an official statement on morals by the pope, but it can be any Vatical official just spouting his own personal views.


37 posted on 11/14/2006 10:09:15 PM PST by baa39 (God bless America...quick!)
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To: sageb1

"It is important that those of you who so quickly condemn the Vatican understand that the very same schism dividing our country also exists within the Church. I would hope you will make yourselves aware of those divisions and that you would consider "rooting" for Pope Benedict's conservatism to win out, whether you are religious or not."

Thanks, your post is more eloquent than mine. Also now with Cardinal Bertone as Secretary of State, I hope there will be even less "Vatican" tolerance of Martino.

People hopefully realize this is like one Congressman speaking his views; he does not represent the views of the entire nation, or even the government. Same when one Vatican employee gives his opinion.


38 posted on 11/14/2006 10:15:22 PM PST by baa39 (God bless America...quick!)
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To: pandoraou812

"And if they want to be charitable then they ought to open their own coffers..."

The charities, programs and missions of the Catholic Church contribute more to feeding, healing and educating the poor of the entire planet, regardless of religion, than do all the programs of the U.N. and U.S. together!


39 posted on 11/14/2006 10:18:49 PM PST by baa39 (God bless America...quick!)
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To: Robert Drobot

Pope Benedict, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!

It is INHUMAN and INHUMSNE, and UNCONSCIONABLE to keep the POOR, the DOWN-TRODDEN, the ASYLUM SEEKER out of Vatican City!


40 posted on 11/14/2006 10:23:48 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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