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Ex-spy's poison on the Internet $69 can get you a trace - commonly used lethal industrial substance
SF Gate.com ^ | Tuesday, November 28, 2006 | Keay Davidson

Posted on 11/28/2006 2:36:46 PM PST by fight_truth_decay

$69 can get you a trace of the commonly used lethal industrial substance...

It's one of the deadliest imaginable poisons, a radioactive substance about 100 billion times as deadly as cyanide -- and a Web site run by a physicist and flying saucer enthusiast offers to sell you a trace amount of it for $69 and send it via the U.S. Postal Service or UPS.

Contrary to early news reports, polonium-210 -- the poison suspected in the death of an ex-Russian spy in England -- is not some exotic material available solely from nuclear laboratories. The isotope is available from firms that sell it for lawful and legitimate uses in industry, such as removing static electricity from machinery and photographic film.

If ingested in large enough amounts, polonium-210 causes a hideous death.

"This is not a way you'd want to die -- it's a very slow, painful death," said Kelly L. Classic, a radiation physicist at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., and the media liaison for the Health Physics Society, a national organization of experts on the health effects of radiation.

Polonium is an "alpha emitter," which, when it decays, emits high-speed volleys of subatomic alpha particles -- each one composed of two protons and two neutrons bound together -- that rip apart DNA coils and bust up the cells within which they reside.

An alpha particle "is huge on an atomic scale," Classic said. "If an electron was a piece of popcorn, the alpha particle (would be) like a bowling ball."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: callingartbell; conspiracy; lazar; mayoclinic; poison; polonium210
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Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: fight_truth_decay

polonium-210 does appear to have plenty of industrial uses but Lazar is a nut.


2 posted on 11/28/2006 2:43:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: fight_truth_decay
From the article:

United Nuclear is run by Bob Lazar, who attracted national attention when he claimed to have worked on crashed alien spaceships at a U.S. military base in Nevada called Area 51.

Pardon me if I call shenanigans. Whoever wrote the article didn't actually order polonium and have it tested, so my guess is that Lazar is a fake.

3 posted on 11/28/2006 2:43:57 PM PST by psychoknk
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To: cripplecreek

A few orders from areas with Al Qaida presence as well as other places where the haters hang out, I'd reckon ....


4 posted on 11/28/2006 2:45:10 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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I am guessing that the "trace" amount is very tiny indeed, and hopefully sealed in plastic or glass.


5 posted on 11/28/2006 2:46:05 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: fight_truth_decay

If this poison is 100 billion times as deadly as cyanide, why is the media reporting that 2nd and 3rd contacts at the hotel bar or the restaurant have little to worry about? Is that judgement theirs or the government's? And no matter whose, why should anyone believe it?


6 posted on 11/28/2006 2:46:24 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: fight_truth_decay

I strongly suspect that if I sent this guy $69, I'd be out $69 and not have a single atom of polonium-210 to show for it. I would, however, have a crew of very unamused FBI agents on my doorstep.


7 posted on 11/28/2006 2:48:49 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cripplecreek

And no legitimate company would buy something like this from anyone with a resume like Lazar's, not to mention from someone who is offering to deliver it via a patently illegal method (USPS flatly prohibits mailing radioactive materials).


8 posted on 11/28/2006 2:56:28 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GOP_1900AD
In the United States, it is legal for vendors licensed by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to sell small amounts of polonium-210 and other radioactive sources without the buyers having to receive special permission from the government

With old chemistry sets or "Mr. Wizard", kids could experiment with the help of mail orders for the process of science alone, times have changed.

9 posted on 11/28/2006 3:04:48 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: cripplecreek; GarySpFc

Ping


10 posted on 11/28/2006 3:11:12 PM PST by outofstyle
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And no legitimate company would buy something like this from anyone with a resume like Lazar's, not to mention from someone who is offering to deliver it via a patently illegal method (USPS flatly prohibits mailing radioactive materials).

According to the article, the USPS doesn't flatly prohibit mailing radioactive materials. It allows people to mail trace amounts of radioactive materials by ground as long as the package is properly labeled and packaged, and other hoops are jumped through. This website explains the USPS' requirements.

Also from the article:

A woman at Lazar's company, who identified herself only as "Michelle," said the firm sells polonium-210 in "small, small, minuscule" amounts ... What we carry is so small you can't see it with your naked eye." She said she is only an employee at the firm and doesn't know where Lazar obtains the polonium-210.

Riiight.
12 posted on 11/28/2006 3:29:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: cripplecreek

I've purchased from Lazar/United Nuclear before, and it is operated as a perfectly legitimate company. Their high power magnets are some of the best I've seen, and the lump of uranium ore on my bookshelf has always been an interesting conversation starter :)

They sold out of them, but at one point Lazar was even selling unused reactor fuel pellets. Completely useless for building a weapon or a reactor (he'd only sell you one), but it was still suprising to see that high-radiation items like that can be sold legally. There are LOTS of things on his site that will kill you or injure you, a fact which the site warns you about repeatedly.

FWIW, he loves press like this. It drives people to the site and drives up his sales.


13 posted on 11/28/2006 3:29:55 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: EricBlair11

The best part - Lazar puts out this story. A FBI team will probably have to interview him. Then, at the very next alien saucer convention, he will be in big demand as leading speaker - - for a sizable fee, of course. And, there'll be the book he will sell at the convention; you know, the one that proves the goverbment is suppressing the alien visitations proved by the FBI harassing him. Lazar is a fakir.


14 posted on 11/28/2006 3:36:51 PM PST by gb63
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To: Sender

The amounts [if any] would be like americium in a smoke detector - traces of traces. Anything greater would run way more than $69. I am still looking for some old clock with radium painted dial - tritium gun sights go to half intensity in 11 years, but radium ones [glass encased] would last for centuries.


15 posted on 11/28/2006 3:47:48 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Polonium210 is a product of the decay of U238. Half life 134 days; decays to stable lead by the emission of a 5.3 mev alpha particle. Fraction of Uranium ore that is Polonium is the Polonium half life divided by the Uranium half life which is 2 plus billion years. If you have 30's dinnerware you might have some polonium atoms, since uranium was used in some pottery glazes.
16 posted on 11/28/2006 3:54:28 PM PST by dr huer
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To: psychoknk
GREETINGS....I COME IN PIECES - -

17 posted on 11/28/2006 3:57:13 PM PST by gb63
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To: All

Anyone who wants to browse Bob Lazar's site for your really hot Christmas shopping, can go to:
http://www.unitednuclear.com/


18 posted on 11/28/2006 4:09:01 PM PST by gb63
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To: cripplecreek
Experts at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the nuclear weapons lab in Livermore, declined Monday to say how much polonium-210 would be needed to harm anyone. They said they were calculating how much would be needed -- but even if they knew the answer, they wouldn't reveal it publicly for ethical reasons.

Hmmm. Guess one just needs to go with a (barely) visible amount, then, and hope the blue glow isn't noticed on the canape.

19 posted on 11/28/2006 4:45:58 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Arthalion
at one point Lazar was even selling unused reactor fuel pellets. Completely useless for building a weapon or a reactor (he'd only sell you one), but it was still suprising to see that high-radiation items like that can be sold legally.

If they are fast breeder "fuels" such as U238 or Thorium 232, it is legal. Natural isotopes are license exempt in less than 100 MicroCurie amounts. With natural isotopes at low specific activities, that amount can be many pounds.

If it is LEU, he cannot be selling it, or possessing it without a Special Nuclear Materials License.

Radiologically, the Americium 241 in smoke detectors have energetic alpha, and should be at least as deadly as Po210.

20 posted on 11/28/2006 4:47:43 PM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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