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Gen. Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military
Newsmax.com ^ | January 2, 2007 | Newsmax.com staff

Posted on 01/02/2007 4:12:33 PM PST by RetiredArmy

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To: RetiredArmy

If he never served as an enlisted man then I don't care what he thinks on this issue. Last I looked Officers, especially General grade, typically have fairly nice, private digs...


81 posted on 01/02/2007 6:05:22 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (Live free or die trying - Merry Christmas Y'all)
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To: EveningStar
"Countries that allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military: Argentina Australia Austria The Bahamas Belgium Canada Colombia Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Germany Hungary Ireland Israel Lithuania The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Romania Slovenia South Africa Spain Sweden Switzerland Taiwan Thailand United Kingdom"

How would you know all this, evening star?

82 posted on 01/02/2007 6:05:30 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: RetiredArmy
He said he has changed his mind after meeting with gay servicemen.

"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in an opinion piece in Tuesday's New York Times.

So his conversations with gays made him decide that straights would accept them?

Somehow that doesn't make sense to me.

83 posted on 01/02/2007 6:07:17 PM PST by airborne (Duncan Hunter For President!)
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To: RetiredArmy

There are gays already serving in the military no matter what does and what doesn't happen on this issue.


84 posted on 01/02/2007 6:09:57 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: RetiredArmy

FWIW -


In his most powerful statements to date on issues involving sexual morality, Pope Benedict XVI said homosexuals end up destroying themselves so the Church has a duty to speak out on moral issues that affect the very spiritual and physical lives of man.

"In seeking to emancipate himself from his body (from the 'biological sphere'), [man] ends up by destroying himself," the pope told cardinals, archbishops, bishops and members of the Roman Curia last week in a traditional meeting overlooked by most of the world's press.


85 posted on 01/02/2007 6:10:04 PM PST by airborne (Duncan Hunter For President!)
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To: TheCrusader
Yes but you take my "I don't care" out of context, which is don't ask don't tell. If a soldier executes his duty, then who can slight him. And if there was a reliable "gay" test, I would advocate for no gays in the military, but the fact is, there simply is none.

I do care, but don't ask don't tell seems to be a lot better than what is being suggested Shalikashvili. I guess he is a Bill Clinton fan.

If gays are "allowed to serve" , then everyone who registers as "gay" will have a way to attack disciplinary procedures in the service for prejudicial reasons.As amatter of fact, how would anyone prove they were gay? That means we would create a whole new class of soldier, one whose duty is sometimes avoidable.

I think that there should be a gay test for all military personnel, but short of an outright admission, there just is no relaible test that I know of yet. That is the problem. So don't ask, don't tell, and the classification of homosexuality as a disorder by the military is what we are left with.In that sense, I do not care what a soldiers sexuality is, as long as duty is done.

86 posted on 01/02/2007 6:14:29 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: RetiredArmy

"...even their women turned against God's natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other.

And the men, instead of having a normal sex relationship with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men..."


Romans 1:26,27 (Living Bible)




87 posted on 01/02/2007 6:22:22 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Taxbilly
Yep, they liberal moonbats are already rewriting lyrics:

Over hill, over dale

As we sodomites hit the trail,

And the Caissons go rolling along.

In and out, hear them shout,

Counter thrust and butt about,

And the Caissons go rolling along.

Then it's hi! hi! hee!

In the field sexually,

Shout out your numbers loud and strong,

For where e'er you go,

You will always know

That the Sodomites go rolling along.

In the storm, in the night,

Erection left or erection right

See those Caissons go rolling along

Limber front, limber rear,

Prepare to mount your cannoneer

And those Sodomites go rolling along.

Then it's hi! hi! hee!

In the field sexually,

Shout out your numbers loud and strong,

For where e'er you go,

You will always know

That the Sodomites go rolling along.

Was it high, was it low,

Where the hell did that queer go?

As those Sodomites go rolling along

Was it left, was it right,

Now we won't get some tonight

And those Sodomites go rolling along.

Then it's hi! hi! hee!

In the field sexually,

Shout out your numbers loud and strong,

For where e'er you go,

You will always know

That the Sodomites go rolling along.

That the Sodomites go rolling along.

That the Sodomites go rolling along.

88 posted on 01/02/2007 6:26:45 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Taxbilly

The general sees no problem with fruits in the military. He doesn't have to deal with it now. He doesn't live in that neighborhood any more.


89 posted on 01/02/2007 6:27:09 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Last I looked Officers, especially General grade, typically have fairly nice, private digs...

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding-there's a post that cuts to the heart of the matter. We already make enormous accomodations for females in the ranks, God only knows what we would have to do to accomodate open homosexuals. Right now the policy encourages people to control their sexuality, a change in policy would remove that constraint.

90 posted on 01/02/2007 6:37:51 PM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: EveningStar

It is why I am proud to be an American. We are not on that list.


91 posted on 01/02/2007 6:45:11 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: Gone_Postal
I agree... put the gays on point

Now, that's funny!

92 posted on 01/02/2007 6:45:18 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: RetiredArmy

I can't stand to even read why he thinks this is a good thing. I'm sick of the "gay" agenda. It's time to bring back closets.

No, it's not normal. No, it's not natural. Nope, not inborn. Yes, they can change if they want to. Yes, they can and should control their urges. No, they shouldn't teach kids, adopt kids, foster kids, or have kids by hi-tech conception methods. No, they should not be allowed to marry or have domestic partner benefits.

Yes, people should be allowed to refuse to rent to them, hire them, and they should not allowed in the armed services. They should not be allowed to practice sodomy in parks and other public places. And anyone should be allowed to criticize homosexual practices and propaganda without fear of legal action.


93 posted on 01/02/2007 6:54:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

It's also a matter of critical mass. As more and more gays assert themselves, fewer heterosexuals will be interested in military careers. If the military becomes a welcoming home for homosexuals, before long there will be a much larger percentage of gays in the military than are in the population at large. Somehow, I don't think that would be good for the military or the United States.


94 posted on 01/02/2007 7:07:19 PM PST by carola
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

spewed beer up my nose on that one..............lmao


95 posted on 01/02/2007 7:09:38 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: carola
As more and more gays assert themselves, fewer heterosexuals will be interested in military careers.

It appears that homosexuality may be a chemical imbalance that can be cured!

-- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1760458/posts--

"-Scientists are conducting experiments to change the sexuality of “gay” sheep in a programme that critics fear could pave the way for breeding out homosexuality in humans.-"

96 posted on 01/02/2007 7:18:06 PM PST by airborne (Duncan Hunter For President!)
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To: leadpenny
Shali was drafted in 58, went to OCS and retired as a four star. His opinion means something to me.

Gen. Patton would just unload a six-shooter into him.

97 posted on 01/02/2007 7:18:51 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: TheCrusader
You do a google for gays, military, countries, and up pops Wikipedia. Google is your friend. Below is a list of the countries that ban gays in the military by the way. The US and Russia have their own little policies.


Countries that ban homosexual people from the military

    * Belarus
    * Brazil
    * Croatia
    * Cuba
    * Egypt
    * Greece
    * Iran
    * Latvia
    * North Korea
    * Peru
    * Portugal
    * Saudi Arabia
    * Syria
    * Venezuela
    * Yemen

 Countries with other policies

* The United States of America has a highly controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy, introduced during the Clinton administration and maintained through the Bush administration.

* In Russia, those alleged to have "sexual identity problems" are to be drafted only during wartime. "Well adjusted gays" are permitted to serve in a normal capacity.

98 posted on 01/02/2007 7:26:37 PM PST by Torie
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To: Texas Songwriter

You don't feel camaraderie with Australia, Israel, Poland, the United Kingdom?


99 posted on 01/02/2007 7:27:57 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: leadpenny; wagglebee; EdReform; scripter

His opinion is politically based, and therefore, it's crap.

Discipline, good order, and morale all say that gays should not be a part of the military.

And biology is definitely on the side of absolute prohibition...not just, don't ask/don't tell.


100 posted on 01/02/2007 7:31:39 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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