Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
"Try listening to Rush..."
hahaha...Yeah, listen to Rush, educate yourself....
Stop, you're killin' me.
My apology for the incorrect assumption.
It's written that way, but it's meant for most any concern over the current fight on the WOT. I mean, how could anyone have any disenting ideas. It's all worked so beautifully.
I think we waste too much time in these threads fighting with one another. People should express their opinions without getting personal.
"Your screed reads like something out of the McCarthy era"
McCarthy was RIGHT ON.
No.
Yes, the're known as 'P_ts_es'.
"You are how old and you don't know? Go back a study wars we truly won."
Uhh, first I was asking someone for their opinion and second I wasn't talking to you.
heartfelt thanks for, at last!, a post that is clearly on point and substantive
Thank you for posting this. 'Pod.
...a free democratic Iraq with a non-sectarian government that can defend itself, is not a threat to its neighbors and is an ally in the war on terror.
Are you sure this shouldn't read
"...three democratic Iraqs with governments that can defend themselves, are not a threat to their neighbors and are allies in the war on terror."
I say that because you mentioned the model of Kurdistan as the reference point. Kurdistan has it's own flag, military, police and government. It is an ethnnocentric entity. Modeling Iraq on the Kurdish north will produce three little ethnically different Iraqs, not one happy republic.
That's fine. I'm not going to get into that. It's the lock-step, group-think tone of the vanity post I reject.
You wrote "With the Democrats in control, FREEDOM is rapidly FLEETING!
So, pull you head out of what ever orifice you currently have it, and support this critical point in our history, or else go join the other side. (You may already have.)"
I haven't advocated defeat, only the right to freely debate whether we are really fighting a winning battle 4 years into this thing. It's amusing that you are attacking me. I am a veteran and former military officer. What's your contribution?
Patsies?
I think that word is acceptable here.
I have to go pick up a relative at the airport, so I'll check back later tonight or tomorrow.
At the same time, to claim that Iraq is even mostly about Al Queda is equally wrong and naive beyond belief. As a matter of scale, Al Queda in Iraq franchise is dwarfed by the sectarian violence going on now. Al Queda may well be our primary concern, but Al Queda is present in Iraq only because Iraq is teetering on the edge of becoming a failed state.
What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory?
Lurking behind this question is the assumption that "complete victory" in Iraq is still possible. Secretary Gates has indicated that it is, but it is a long-shot.
Now, we must remember that it is not "defeatism" to question the Administration's tactics, claims, strategies, or ideologies. We got into this mess because the Administration assumed, because we'd be greeted as liberators, that de-Baathifying the country would go as easily as de-Nazification went in Germany. Dissenting voices, like Gen. Shinseki, were marginalized and ballyhooed. Good faith questioning of the Administration's tactics is not "defeatism" or treason. It is loyal patriotism..
Whatever the current administrations position is today, which could change tomorrow, or next week. And then there will be an update to match from many here.
I think you are right.
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