...and a GREAT POST Jveritas BTTT !!
Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
Thank God for your firm grasp on the obvious; sort of makes up for your evident dismal record at the School of QW&R.
Exactly and it is really sad to see some of them right here on FR.
...and a GREAT POST Jveritas BTTT !!
"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918
Even the President acted on the belief that we need to change some things in Iraq. Relaxing the rules of engagement among them. Making clear to Maliki that we need to engage ALL trouble makers, not just the Sunni troublemakers. Is Bush a traitor?
Only the fool hardy will redouble their efforts and expect a different result.
" We can make up a list of the defeatists and the mods can give us their internet information so we can track them down and do what is necessary in this struggle of life and death."
For minute, I thought you were serious...hahahaha, thanks for the laugh...!
You are welcome, and I am just your humble freeper :)
Many Americans seem unaware that nearly every war that we've won has had major blunders, debacles, setbacks, unforeseen difficulties, and disasters.
We don't have to ignore policies we don't think are working or support them just because Bush is a Republican, but we needn't sound disappearing over every problem.
Soldiers and Marines, who are doing the bulk of the fighting in Iraq, are enlisting in record numbers. But to hear many people talk you'd think Iraq was an unrelenting meat grinder, like the Russian front became for the Germans in WWII. Why is it that those who are most in harm's way are optimistic and convinced that with time they can win this war and those whose connection to the war is at best far away observers are in so much despair? Could it be the steady drumbeat of bad news and hyper-criticism? Nothing is ever perfect, and when it is nearly perfect we work to make it better. The lack of perfection is not a reason to quit.
Victory may be hard to define in Iraq, but the president has stated it would be an Iraq able to defend itself, stable at home, and safe from foreign attack or influence. Defeat would surely be the opposite. Defeat would be an Iraq that's a safe haven for terrorists. It's certainly not a safe place for them now. Our defeat, as jveritas says, will inspire our enemies, and you cannot wish that away. They will intensify their efforts to destroy our way of live. Many who support a "redeployment" that is really a retreat, behave as if there were more options than victory or defeat, some third course. There are not more than two outcomes now anymore than there were in Vietnam.
Many of those who've called for more troops and more troops also supported the "peace dividend," less defense spending, and gutting our intelligence agencies. Fortunately, most of them are not here at Freerepublic to take that hypocritical position. But some here do act as if we had a much bigger army and marine corp than we have. We have as much as we have. If we need more, we need to build a bigger force. But we cannot conjure forces up that do not exist.
Dissent and freedom are important principles. The defeatist talk is like talking about your last bowel movement. You're free to do it, but no one wants to hear about it. And in the case of the defeatist talk, we all notice that talk rarely offers a realistic alternative or a better policy.
The Iraqis do need to know our support is not open-ended and that they must assume more responsibility for their own freedom. Many of them are dying as they do that. We should not betray those who are trying to win.
That is the greatest fear.
I would just like you to address the points and questions I asked without the rote 'you may be a defeatist if..' statement. We'll leave the past 400-500 years of history in the region and more recent attempts at representative government in the region for another time, eh?
I disagree.
I would argue that the President needs to pursue the war more aggressively on all fronts, not just Iraq. I am talking of:
limiting immigration from designated countries.
Deporting anyone who has violated their visa's starting with those from countries who have actively supported terrorism.
Seal the borders.
Restructure the CIA to greatly increase our feet on the street (probably already being done).
Form designated Special units to take out known terrorists and terrorist training facilities in clandestine fashion (also already being done to some extent).
More aggressively promote the successes we have had in Iraq
Fight the war on words on the home front to counter the BS coming from the left.
Demand prosecution of those who benefited from the 'Food for Oil Scam'.
These are all t hings that the President is not doing to the degree that they should be, or at least to the degree that we know of.
Does this mean I do not support him, no. It means I disagree with him on the prosecution of the war, but not on the goals.
The Dems disagree on the goals.
There is no comparison!
You seem to forget who defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan; "our" proxies did. Without the stingers, the cash and intelligence from the CIA I don't think the Soviets would have been kicked out.
Many lost perspective. This war has by far the lowest numbers of US casualties compared to any other war with the same duration. People who are angry because this war lasted more than WW II forget always to mention that in WW II we lost over 410,000 soldiers compared to 3,000 in Iraq.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.........since you put it that way!
Yes it is very sad that some conservatives and despite all the proof in the captured Iraqi documents still believe that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism and he did not have any secret WMD programs and thereofre we should not have gone into Iraq. I expect this from liberals and their media but when I see conservatives saying it, I really get depressed.
LOL... excellent cartoon.
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