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Military's new ray gun fires harmless beam that makes targets feel as if they are on fire
ap on San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 1/24/07 | Elliott Minor

Posted on 01/24/2007 9:48:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge

MOODY AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. – The military calls its new weapon an “active denial system,” but that's an understatement. It's a ray gun that shoots a beam that makes people feel as if they are about to catch fire. Apart from causing that terrifying sensation, the technology is supposed to be harmless – a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons.

Military officials say it could save the lives of innocent civilians and service members in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.

During the first media demonstration of the weapon Wednesday, airmen fired beams from a large dish antenna mounted atop a Humvee at people pretending to be rioters and acting out other scenarios that U.S. troops might encounter in war zones.

The device's two-man crew located their targets through powerful lenses and fired beams from more than 500 yards away. That is nearly 17 times the range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets.

Anyone hit by the beam immediately jumped out of its path because of the sudden blast of heat throughout the body. While the 130-degree heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make the participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

“This is one of the key technologies for the future,” said Marine Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the non-lethal weapons program at Quantico, Va., which helped develop the new weapon. “Non-lethal weapons are important for the escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are operating in.”

The system uses electromagnetic millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, microwaves used in the common kitchen appliance penetrate several inches of flesh.

The millimeter waves cannot go through walls, but they can penetrate most clothing, officials said. They refused to comment on whether the waves can go through glass.

The weapon could be mounted aboard ships, airplanes and helicopters, and routinely used for security or anti-terrorism operations.

“There should be no collateral damage to this,” said Senior Airman Adam Navin, 22, of Green Bay, Wis., who has served several tours in Iraq.

Navin and two other airmen were role players in Wednesday's demonstration. They and 10 reporters who volunteered were shot with the beams. The beams easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.

The system was developed by the military, but the two devices currently being evaluated were built by defense contractor Raytheon.

Airman Blaine Pernell, 22, of suburban New Orleans, said he could have used the system during his four tours in Iraq, where he manned watchtowers around a base near Kirkuk. He said Iraqis constantly pulled up and faked car problems so they could scout out U.S. forces.

“All we could do is watch them,” he said. But if they had the ray gun, troops “could have dispersed them.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activedenialsystem; banglist; raygun
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1 posted on 01/24/2007 9:48:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Non-Lethal Weapon Makes Targets Feel Like They're on Fire (ABC whines about non-lethal weapons) ^
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On News/Activism ^ 12/09/2006 1:17:23 PM PST · 46 replies · 1,418+ views


2 posted on 01/24/2007 9:48:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: NormsRevenge
I don't know why but Charlie Callas came to mind..


3 posted on 01/24/2007 9:52:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System concept
4 posted on 01/24/2007 9:58:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: NormsRevenge
Apart from causing that terrifying sensation, the technology is supposed to be harmless – a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons.

"...so, if you feel like you're about to catch fire, don't worry, men--it's just a harmless non-lethal weapon designed to freak you out."

5 posted on 01/24/2007 10:28:38 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Call me old fashioned, but I long for the good old days when our murderous enemies felt like they were on fire because they were indeed on fire.


6 posted on 01/24/2007 10:34:39 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: flying Elvis
I agree. What are we supposed to do with them when we capture them? This "non lethal" treatment needs a follow up dose of lead poisoning of the brain pan.

I can't understand war without death of the enemy and surrender when we have killed all but the ones begging to convert to Christians.

If you put this ray on them and capture 200000 of them, where do you put them? When you let them go, they still want to kill you. You kill them,... 2 problems solved.

7 posted on 01/24/2007 10:58:15 PM PST by chuckles
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To: flying Elvis
I call you Old Fashioned !

(And you're right.)

Regards.

8 posted on 01/24/2007 11:25:33 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“All we could do is watch them,” he said. But if they had the ray gun, troops “could have dispersed them.”

I wish they would modify the weapon so it would burn a cross on the enemy's forehead with the message "Jesus loves me". A hot flash is just not enough!

9 posted on 01/24/2007 11:37:22 PM PST by roadcat
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To: NormsRevenge

Cool, but will they DANCE?


10 posted on 01/24/2007 11:39:33 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I used to see Charlie Callas a lot on the street in Ft. Lee New Jersey, where I often worked. He lived in one of the small mid-rises on Center Ave./ He was the bane of the old ladies in his building, for his lewd antics and noises and the dirty jokes he often offered in the elevators coming or going. I once saw him in a strip mall on Lemoine Ave., standing on the sidewalk outside the plate glass window of a bagel shop, with his trademark tongue-hanging-out, wildly moving both arms and mid-section in movements simulating intercourse, while the woman sitting at the table closest to the window looked at him wide-eyed, her mouth open, gasping, with her food dropping off her fork.


11 posted on 01/24/2007 11:51:43 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"--Schopenhauer)
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To: NormsRevenge

Their beebers will be stuned...


12 posted on 01/24/2007 11:53:09 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (I'm pretty sure the phrase life is too short doesn't exist in Islam-Dennis Miller)
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To: roadcat

"Pork, The Other White Meat" would make a good second choice.


13 posted on 01/24/2007 11:56:09 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: NormsRevenge
While the 130-degree heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make the participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

Would this really work in Iraq? It gets up to 115. 15 degrees is not going to make people run in seconds. If you want to make they think that their clothing will ignite, use a flamethrower.

Of course, this would work wonders in the US. It would be a great way to dispise Times square at about 2 AM on January 1st.
14 posted on 01/24/2007 11:59:26 PM PST by rmlew (Having slit their throats may the conservatives who voted for Casey choke slowly on their blood.)
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To: chuckles
What are we supposed to do with them when we capture them?

That was the first question that popped into my mind.

15 posted on 01/25/2007 12:04:49 AM PST by jerry639
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To: NormsRevenge
Our Generals are devolving into drooling morons.

The last thing the US Military needs is to be involved in "Nonlethal activities". It is immoral and I believe even criminal to place Soldiers and Marines lives at risk trying to "minimize" casualties on the enemies side. Such technologies only support GQ Generals who want to sit "connected" 500 -5000 miles away and control American GI's and their Junior Officers who actually do the fighting and dying like automatons. Generals for whom war is secondary to their Golf Game on Saturday and their pension fund. Kill the enemy, Kill their supporters and let our kids come home in one piece if at all possible.

W
16 posted on 01/25/2007 12:06:38 AM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: flying Elvis

Yeah, but it's a good way to seperate out the enemy from their civilian shields in a crowd situation. If you have soldiers fire on every crowd that has a single rock chucker in it, it may be more than a little counterproductive.


17 posted on 01/25/2007 12:53:24 AM PST by amchugh
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To: randog

It will not take long for the Muzzies in Iraq to figure this one out.


18 posted on 01/25/2007 12:55:46 AM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: WLR

If we get our troops involved in police activities, we'd better give them the tools for the job. That means being able to start non-lethal and quickly escalate to lethal. If our soldiers cause too much collateral damage we'll create more insurgents than we can kill (politically, not technically).


19 posted on 01/25/2007 12:57:00 AM PST by amchugh
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To: amchugh

I understand, and appreciate the need for such weapons, but I can envision a scenario where our weak-kneed pols will end up deploying our folks with nothing but nonlethal weapons as a show of our good intentions. Remember, between 1945 and 1950 we intentionally limited the types of armaments we supplied to the South Koreans, as well as our own men on the peninsula to demonstrate to the commies that we had no offensive intentions in that region. Within a day of the war's beginning we were scouring the theater for artillery and antitank weapons. Likewise, we went into Somalia with good intentions and a lack of killing power locally available.


20 posted on 01/25/2007 1:15:34 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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