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Giuliani a tough conservative sell
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/25/07 | Liz Sidoti - ap

Posted on 01/25/2007 8:32:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: tomcorn; Dead Corpse
I am against some guns ( assault weapons, sawed off shotguns,and automatic weapons)

You don't agree with the 2nd Amendment. You're anti-gun. Sorry.

561 posted on 01/26/2007 1:14:40 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: tomcorn

And by the way, do you even know what an "assault weapon" is?


562 posted on 01/26/2007 1:15:15 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813

I have to laugh....Third party my fanny. You are a hard bitten realist. You're gonna vote for some third party no name? I doubt it. That's how we got the first Clinton.

Know what I think?...I think you've painted yourself into a verbal ideological corner and are unwilling to admit you will vote for whoever the GOP nominates.


563 posted on 01/26/2007 1:15:48 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: jmc813

yep.... I surely do...I surely do...


564 posted on 01/26/2007 1:17:13 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: NormsRevenge
Don't like Rudy. Think he's a big-govenrment NE liberal. He'd make a great moderate Democrat.

But if he promises to vigorously pursue the War on Terror, cut non-military spending (and look at the military spending to make sure it isn't porked out!) and cut taxes (or keep them at the current rate), I might forgive an awful lot when confronted with a Hillary! candidacy...
565 posted on 01/26/2007 1:17:24 PM PST by Little Ray
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To: tomcorn
I have to laugh....Third party my fanny. You are a hard bitten realist.

Do me a favor, click on my screen name below this post, go to my "Comments From Fans" section of my profile page, read them, and then get back to me if you still think that I'm a hard-bitten realist. I must say that this is the first time I've been accused of that. Most people think that I'm a whacked-out libertarian screwball.

566 posted on 01/26/2007 1:18:37 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813

No...I don't believe in your particular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, JMC. You read was you want to see and believe what you wish to believe regardless of the Constitution, the founders, or original intent.


567 posted on 01/26/2007 1:20:38 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: tomcorn
Above all I am pro-liberty.

...except for those things which you're not pro-liberty on.

FWIW: I own two AWs, a SOS, and am eyeing a MG. All legal (some requiring major hoops to jump thru) - all which you are "against".

Your brand of conservatism appears coercive and anti-liberty to me.

568 posted on 01/26/2007 1:21:01 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: tomcorn
yep.... I surely do...I surely do...

So you have no problem with banning semi-autos with detachable magazines? Why? How are they any more dangerous than some weapons that are not considered "assault weapons"?

Also, did you know that certain facets of the AWB actually made firing weapons LESS safe for smaller individuals.

569 posted on 01/26/2007 1:22:16 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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Heh... he'd better stay out of my gun cabinet then as well. Poor thing would have a heart attack... And yes, for any Feebies listening in, all of my stuff is currently legal. ;-)


570 posted on 01/26/2007 1:22:57 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: tomcorn
No...I don't believe in your particular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, JMC. You read was you want to see and believe what you wish to believe regardless of the Constitution, the founders, or original intent.

I have read the Federalist Papers. The founders intended for the public to have unrestricted access to any arm that might be carried by an infantry soldier of the given era. If you'd like to try and prove me wrong on this, go right ahead.

571 posted on 01/26/2007 1:24:22 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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Let me put it another way. Hypothetically, if when the Texas primary comes around and I have a choice between a Ronald Reagan clone who clearly has no chance of winning, and Guiliani, Romney, and McCain, I will not vote for the Ronald Reagan clone, but for the one who I think has the best chance of beating McCain.

And that's because I think McCain would be the most destructive Republican President in US history.

Sometimes the person I vote for is really a vote to stop someone I fear more.


572 posted on 01/26/2007 1:28:38 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: tomcorn
Above all I am pro-liberty. Your brand of conservatism appears coercive and anti-liberty to me. Hate coercion whatever banner it carries.

Is that why you are so excited to put a hate-crime loving, gun hating, zealous ex-prosecutor in charge of this nation's law enforcement machinery? Because you value liberty? What liberty is that? The liberty to agree with Rudy Giuliani?

Giuliani is a liberty-undermining social liberal joke without a punchline. As long as the shallow-minded are there to applaud, he'll keep bowing.

573 posted on 01/26/2007 1:28:41 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: jmc813

Well...I can see you are desirous of dragging me into one of those endless tautological technical debates filled with endless variant minutiae. No thanks. It just stinks of overcompensation. Understand?

I'LL pass... I'll just chat with bunny slippers and that lady from Idaho. Trout as I recall.. cutthroat...Damn...wanna do that.


574 posted on 01/26/2007 1:28:57 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Dead Corpse; tomcorn

Would you mind responding to this guy's reply #567? I'm literally almost to the point of bashing my head against my desk. Thank God Happy Hour is less than an hour away.


575 posted on 01/26/2007 1:30:03 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: JCEccles

Yep....but Giuliani ain't as bad as Hillary. Which is exactly why you'll vote for him when the time comes to choose between them. Nuff said eh,pal?


576 posted on 01/26/2007 1:30:57 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Dog Gone
And that's because I think McCain would be the most destructive Republican President in US history. Sometimes the person I vote for is really a vote to stop someone I fear more.

That's a fair point, though I'd argue that McCain could not be as destructive as LBJ no matter how hard he tried. I'm just seeing a lot of people dissing on Hunter while not even mentioning McCain.

577 posted on 01/26/2007 1:32:23 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813

-I have read the Federalist Papers.-

Did you now?...We'll that is wonderful ,JMC. You must be proud as all get out aren't you?


578 posted on 01/26/2007 1:33:29 PM PST by tomcorn
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Well...I can see you are desirous of dragging me into one of those endless tautological technical debates filled with endless variant minutiae.

Basic, God-given civil rights are not "minutiae". I also notice that you cannot provide me with evidence that any of the founding fathers wished to restrict access to firearms.

579 posted on 01/26/2007 1:34:30 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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Did you now?...We'll that is wonderful ,JMC. You must be proud as all get out aren't you?

Well, yeah. Understanding the philosophies behind this unique form of government is something one should take pride in.

580 posted on 01/26/2007 1:35:45 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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