Posted on 01/25/2007 8:32:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge
[T]he advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. - James Madison
"Manfully maintain our good old principle of cherishing and fortifying the rights and authorities of the people in opposition to those who fear them, who wish to take all power from them and to transfer all to Washington." --Thomas Jefferson to Nathaniel Macon, 1826. FE 10:378
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America, 1774. ME 1:209, Papers 1:134
"It astonishes me to find... [that so many] of our countrymen... should be contented to live under a system which leaves to their governors the power of taking from them the trial by jury in civil cases, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of commerce, the habeas corpus laws, and of yoking them with a standing army. This is a degeneracy in the principles of liberty... which I [would not have expected for at least] four centuries." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1788. (*) FE 5:3
Need more? I've got them. Of course, if you had actually READ anything the Founders themselves had written... I wouldn't have a need to point these out to you. No... I suspect instead that you have read what OTHERS have said the Founders meant and either approved of the changes they made or are ignorant.
Ignorance is curable. But if you are a hoplophobe, there is no hope for you. No cure for your dementia.
In other words, you know you are FOS, can't produce the requisite quotes from the Founders saying the States may infringe our Natural Rights, and would rather slink away with your tail between your legs rather than admit your lie.
Figures.
No JMC....You really wanna talk about sear pins,7.62 x 39, magazine loads, bullets grains, muzzle velocity, sweat and gun oil and yaddyho-ho dontcha?
Like I said...Know anything about trout?...cuttthroat?...Idaho? I really want to learn about that.
He's read a Bellesiles book or two, seen a Michael Moore film, maybe some 9th Circuit court cases, and thinks he's a Constitutional scholar. What a hoot...
Ever heard of paraphrasing?...editing?
Come on... it's easy...
Yeah, things that the government HAS NO RIGHT TO RESTRICT under the 2nd Amendment. I'm still waiting for evidence of your claim that the founders would advocate enacting restrictions on such things.
There is a whole lot of these folks on the Rudy threads. I ask them over and over and over again: "If your guy wins the nomination I will vote for him. If Rudy is the nominee will you vote for him?"
They either do not answer or say stay home or third party, how nice.
Paraphrasing is what the gun-grabber do with the Constitution. DC was kind enough to provide you with quotes in an attemt to educate you. The least you could do is take 60 seconds to give them an honest read.
Thank You!
It's pretty much a given that McCain has no support here at FR. We had some McCainiacs here in 1999 and 2000, but they've all left the forum, best I can tell.
Have you seen a thread or even a post supporting his candidacy here in the past year? Honestly? I think McCain is not a controversial issue here anymore.
I think Hunter is a great conservative who is more conservative than the Big Three who are the frontrunners. Like I say, I strongly disagree with him on one policy issue, but if we're lucky enough to elect a Republican at all next year, it's going to be one that I held my nose to vote for. But I'm used to that.
I doubt Hunter will be on the ballot when the Texas primary comes around, although I certainly could be wrong with that prediction. I have well over a year to revise and extend my remarks and opinions before casting my vote.
The all seeing all knowing SPIFF now oversees who shall or shall not be a conservative. Oh great one save us, save us!
Ok. Here goes: "RKBA is a natural Right. Nobody messes with it at any level of government. Period. If someone does, work through the legislature and the courts to fix it. If that doesn't work, you individuals retain the Right to shoot them and rebuild a new government that won't do it again."
How's that? Dumbed down enough for everyone?
No...I just generally avoid folks who choose the name "dead corpse" as a nick name. It kinda says something about the personality of the chooser , ya know? For the same reason I tend to not interact with people who select the name spleen muncher or chick slicer. Get my drift?
Yes. I see I had you marked perfectly. No, that isn't a compliment.
Bye kiddo....drive safe.
I think that is s good reason to ignore them then and not count on them at all. If they come to their senses - fine - if not - we have already planned for them to play martyr and punisher.
SPIFF, SPIFF, you lost another one, keep posting baby!Ouch!
"I just wondered - because I've read other posts (not just you) from people who have put *their* values over everything else. In other words - they are making the 2008 race about them and their values and if the country does not accept them, their beliefs and their values - then they say, essentially, "to hell with the country".
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