Posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:04 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 02/19/2007 2:20:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.
How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash? If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives? How can we possibly hope to advance our conservative causes if we tuck tail and run when we should be fighting as if our very survival as a free people depends upon it. Because it does.
We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive. If you want proof, ask Arnie, the socially liberal Republican governor of California. No thanks. You can have him and the socialist horse he rode in on.
We cannot defend life, liberty or nation (see below discussion on securing borders) with a social liberal at the helm.
I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.
Here's a starter list and it's open for discussion, cutting, consolidation, expansion and detailing:
Would a conservative platform focusing on victory in the war, national security, national defense, securing the borders, deporting illegal aliens, sound fiscal policy and defense of life, liberty, property and individual rights be a winner over Hillary's treasonous platform of surrender, weakness, open borders, socialist fiscal policies, "abortion rights," "gay rights," global warming, continued government abuses and subversion of our rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to keep and bear arms and private property rights?
Expanding on one issue, for example, I'm pushing for increased border security. I used to be in favor of some sort of temporary worker program, but not one that has a fast track to citizenship. I'm now coming around to the point of view held by the majority of Americans regardless of political party affiliation and that is we MUST secure the borders immediately. It's obvious that this war against Islamic fascism is going to grind on even after we put down the nasty business in Iraq. We must secure the borders against terrorist intrusion and infiltration. We must tightly control ALL immigration to the US.
It's also becoming more and more obvious that Americans are not happy with illegals taking jobs in an ever growing number of industries. They're no longer just doing field labor and or menial low paying tasks. They're creeping up the uskilled labor and union scale, only they're competing unfairly by accepting low wages and under the table payments.
We also need to seal the borders against drug smugglers, weapons smugglers, criminals, terrorists, etc. Catch them, try them and lock them up.
Americans are also tired of footing the bills for illegal alien health care, education, welfare, auto accidents, crime, disease, etc.
It's way past time to call a halt to this nonsense. I say we catch them at the borders and deport them. If we catch them again, place them in a work camp. If they want to work, fine, let them work in a work camp for their keep. Nothing more. And no illegal families or children or anchor babies. If it takes additional laws on the books, fine let's get it done. If it takes a constitutional amendment to stop the anchor babies, let's get the process started.
We should also catch and deport them when they show up at the DMV, voter registration or voting booth, unemployment line, bank, building permit office, welfare department, social security office, hospitals, free clinics, schools, jails, auto accident or traffic stops, etc. If they can't speak English and they don't have valid identification, then we need to hold them or call in the INS.
If we're going to secure the nation we must secure the borders, control immigration and stop pandering to the illegals or their enablers. Employers who willingly and knowingly hire illegals should be punished. If they pay their workers under the table and fail to withhold taxes or social security, they should be dealt with as felons.
So, we win the war, secure the nation, build our defenses, return to a sound fiscal policy, cut spending and taxes, and defend our rights.
How many states would go for this platform as opposed to Hillary's that is exactly opposite?
I think we'd even pull in California.
What say you?
GOOD MORNING PING!!!!
ping to your list
IMO what's missing is an effective slogans that stick it to the democrats.
The democrats are masters of vilifying conservatives as uptight out of touch racists.
Conservative candidates could repeat over and over "the democrats never miss a chance to undercut the economy" also, "the democrats never miss a chance to undermine the job market", "with democrats in power jobs for our young people are disappearing" also "wherever democrats are in power, crime skyrockets" also "wherever democrats are in power, they spend more time blaming others for their own incompetence than solving problems with the republican can do attitude" etc......
The republicans seem unable to answer the vilifying attacks and keep turning the other cheeck, but reps are running out of cheeks.
One of Rudy's greatest strengths is the ability to stick it to the dims IMO.
You are a moron. Tancredo was in one of the safest districts in the country. His campaign makes NO difference in the point that those who ran on the immigrant issue lost.
I am telling you now, the way to lose the 2008 presidency is to make it all about immigration.
But, losing is what you guys want, obviously.
Jim's number 4.."Stop the illegal aliens!" Nothing about " anti-immigration"
Are a Mitt or Rudy fan?
I'm in!
We need to copyright the letter "R". If you don't earn it, you don't wear it!
He's pretty good at sticking it to the conservatives too.
While most here agree with you, including me, voters just elected a bunch of dems. The Republican party and a conservative web site pushed for the RINO Arnie during the recall rather than McClintook, who had a strong anti illegal stance. I hope you keep pushing these issues. Thanks for letting us know what your views are.
You're wrong.
Pete Roskam
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Anti illegal alien messages will help a candidate in voter areas where the voters speak English. Comprenda?
The Republican Party should never have abandoned the idea of creating future "Contracts with America" after the '94 elections were done! If the Republican Party and conservatives in general successfully came together and helped create new "Contracts with America" in '96, '98, '00, etc., then the Republican Party would of been in much better political shape today at every political level throughout the U.S. instead of in the "political minority" right now!
Don't forget about the growing threats from throughout the Middle East, Latin America, and Africa as well when making your list!
A President isn't somebody who does or says what other people want. A President is a leader who does what's right for the country. We need somebody who can fight the damn war, cut spending, control the borders, and in general leave the people the hell alone.
So say we all?
Also, one who can speak confidently on what will have to take place for America to defeat the enemy and what we will have to do to secure the nation against future attacks. I don't think it would be all that difficult to persuade the citizens that we must secure the borders against the possibility of terrorist infiltration or weapons smuggling. It's only obvious common sense to be on a secure war footing if we're at war. And no doubt about it, we are at war even if the Democrats are successful with their treasonous pull out. The enemy will keep on coming at us.
Your twelve points spell the rescue of America. Any candidate carrying them all would face the most violent spew of hatred in opposition seen yet and could win only with the miraculous force of his faith.
Ronald Reagan's chances to win looked dim indeed even though perhaps those were simpler times. Yet, it happened. The protagonist to win would need such a miracle couched in deep religious faith. It is the battle of good versus evil.
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