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Cameron the Infidel
Redstate.com ^ | 27 February, 2007 | .cnI redruM

Posted on 02/27/2007 6:23:45 AM PST by .cnI redruM

James Cameron has truly moved beyond making sappy movies about ocean liner wrecks. He can now lay claim to being an idolater of the rankest order. Relying upon Pope Benedict to turn the other check in accordance with misinterpreted scripture, Cameron has accused the Gospels of inventing the resurrection the way Michael Moore does documentaries.

'TITANIC' director James Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici, a filmmaker-archaeologist, are set to unveil three coffins this week that they say are those of Jesus, Mary and Mary Magdalene. In an coming documentary, Cameron and Jacobovici cite "scientific evidence" that the resurrection of Jesus never happened and that Jesus fathered a son named Judah with Mary Magdalene.

Such claims should, and surely will, be met with overwhelming skepticism. For example, the filmmakers use DNA tests to build their case - but whose DNA is being compared with whose? Did they swab the Holy Ghost? - The NY Post (27 February 2007)

While this disingenuous hucksterism disgusts the average, church-going American, it should shock no one. Dan Brown’s suspense novels rewrite enough church history to make it difficult to recognize whose religion he actually disparages. If his books weren’t set in The Vatican, it would be hard to distinguish the behavior of Dan Brown’s priest characters from that of Muqtada al-Sadr.

A growing number of Westerners resent Christianity, as portrayed by the modern intellectual elite. They increasingly want to conflate the local minister down the street with the collared child molester in Mystic River, or with the thuggish Vatican concierge in Dan Brown’s Angels and Demons. Those who don’t relate to Christianity always seem to find ways of debasing it.

James Cameron’s latest publicity stunt takes this trend in a new direction. It suggests that Christ engaged in sexual intercourse with Mary of Magdalene and father a child named Judas. Cameron has even planned to run his documentary on the subject to coincide with Easter. This will endear him to Hollywood and to everyone who reads Andrew Sullivan because he derides others for being Christianist.

So a bunch of people in the West hate Christianity for imposing restrictions on their desires and for impugning behaviors that these individuals wish to indulge in. That chaffing against restraint is understandable, but not when Christianity is placed in context with the other religions throughout the world.

Christianity doesn’t let you do whatever, whenever, but it also hasn’t shot it’s heretics for several centuries. That’s not true of certain other religions. Just ask Jost Postens about Islamic editorial policies.

Cameron knows this. He chooses to accuse Christ of bastardies with economic discretion and an eye out for his wellbeing. He expects to make a pile of money. He expects to only receive criticism from flyover land, which doesn’t keep you off the red carpet near Hollywood and Highland anyhow.

People will call Cameron ‘provocative’, ‘audacious’, an ‘iconoclast’. He doesn’t show audacity, he shows calculated cynicism. Cameron will grow very rich off this pathetic stunt, but he will never be fit to wash Salmon Rushdie’s jock strap.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cameron; christophobia; crockumentary; godsgravesglyphs; jesustomb; showbiz
Cameron is a pathetic man. He deserves the utmost ridicule for this. He'll make $100M off this instead. Barf-inducing.
1 posted on 02/27/2007 6:23:47 AM PST by .cnI redruM
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To: .cnI redruM
And St. Peter will say to Cameron at the pearly gates:

"SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!"
2 posted on 02/27/2007 6:28:04 AM PST by poobear (Carter & Clinton - 'The Latter Day Church Of Jew Haters & Horndogs')
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To: .cnI redruM

He'll make $100M off a widely-derided Discovery-channel pseudo-documentary? I don't think so.


3 posted on 02/27/2007 6:29:30 AM PST by dangus
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To: .cnI redruM

Cameron will reap his rewards for this -- both in this world ($$$$$ and the praise of anti-Christian scumbags who dominate the left and Hollywood) and the next...


4 posted on 02/27/2007 6:29:54 AM PST by piytar
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To: .cnI redruM

When is Mr. Cameron going to go after Mohammed?


5 posted on 02/27/2007 6:30:04 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: .cnI redruM

Perhaps the press should be reminded that Cameron's claims also constitute apostasy against the muslim prophet Isa and his mother Mary


6 posted on 02/27/2007 6:32:21 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Cameron is a pathetic man.

Pathetic, why? Do you think he forged the ossuaries? Or do you think they're for real, but that he's wrong to bring them to the public?

7 posted on 02/27/2007 6:33:48 AM PST by Physicist
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To: RexBeach
Hollyweird doesnt have the spine to do that. Bashing Christians is acceptable to them.
8 posted on 02/27/2007 6:35:52 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: .cnI redruM

There are quite a few composition errors in this piece, including several out-of-place apostrophes. And the jockstrap image is unoriginal and overused.


9 posted on 02/27/2007 6:36:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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To: RexBeach

Not to worry, I'm sure Cameron's next project will be all about the REAL Mohamed.


10 posted on 02/27/2007 6:36:43 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: .cnI redruM

Cameron should ask Van Gogh of the Netherlands what happens when one insults a religion...oh, that's right...Van Gogh insulted Muslims and got his throat slit and an explanation pinned to his chest with the bloody knife.
Wonder what infidel will be publishing a book or making a movie attacking Jesus next year during Lent? It's as predictable as springtime that the msm, including Fox, will give them free wall-to-wall publicity, and Christians roll over and take it, so why not?


12 posted on 02/27/2007 6:46:55 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Physicist
No, but I think the archaeologist who dug them up already described them as completely mundane. He also explained that there were at least 70 other tombs in Jerusalem that bore the name Jesus. It was a fairly common first name in the era.

Cameron already had all of this knowledge available to him before he made his documentary. He went ahead with it anyway.
13 posted on 02/27/2007 6:50:53 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: RexBeach

Don't wait up for Godot.


14 posted on 02/27/2007 6:51:27 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: Physicist
Pathetic, why? Do you think he forged the ossuaries? Or do you think they're for real, but that he's wrong to bring them to the public?

Probably all of the above. There is as likely a chance that someone forged the names centuries ago as not. Even if they are real, they prove nothing. He almost certainly is engaging in Christian-bashing as the blogger suggests. I find it interesting that people who buy into this believe certain parts of the Bible if it supports part of their story (such as the existence of Mary Magdalene, the fact that Jesus's mother was named Mary and that Jesus was reputedly the son of Joseph the carpenter, etc). "The rest of the story" is conveniently jetiisoned. It seems to me that if this story was approached from a point of view that denies the gospel accounts of Christ's life, that one should assume nothing about Jesus, including who his family members were or who might have been His paramour. If you do this, then you are left with a tomb with some bones of a guy named Jesus and some other people.

However, if non-believers find comfort in this discovery, it is of no concern to me.

15 posted on 02/27/2007 6:52:54 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: RexBeach
"When is Mr. Cameron going to go after Mohammed?"

Cameron doesn't even have the onions to go after Scientology.

16 posted on 02/27/2007 6:56:09 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: .cnI redruM
No, but I think the archaeologist who dug them up already described them as completely mundane. He also explained that there were at least 70 other tombs in Jerusalem that bore the name Jesus. It was a fairly common first name in the era.

If that were all there was to it, it wouldn't be worth calling attention to it. My belief is that this is a different family, but the combination of names does seem unlikely enough to justify the attention.

Very few people doubt that Jesus was a historical person, and nobody can discount his importance, so if these are relics of the man and his family, they deserve close scrutiny. Look at the attention the Shroud of Turin has received over the centuries.

While we're on the subject, does the "Jesus" ossuary actually contain any bones? If there's one historical fact about Jesus that almost everyone can agree upon, it's that he was crucified by the Romans. The bones ought to show evidence of that, if they're for the right man.

And if the box is empty...

17 posted on 02/27/2007 7:03:49 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Miriam/Mariam/Mary, Iusuf/Joseph, and Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus were about the most common names around at that time. We don't have very many given names in English (as long as you eliminate the trendy silly names and the Southern custom of giving people last names as a given name), and they had even fewer.

It's like thinking that a set of modern gravestones with John, Mary, and James on them are related to any particular individual within the same century named John, Mary, or James. Or assuming two people named Smith are related. Highly unlikely.

18 posted on 02/27/2007 7:17:05 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: .cnI redruM
We let these morons off too easy. We pray for them they laugh at us. Got a better idea , don't go to or allow any of your family to go to any movie or see anything he makes in the future. Sooner or later he can blame us for bankrupting him. The poor man cannot live without his big bucks and his fame. Send the fame down the drain, just don't let him get away with this. let every Christian put this guy in retirement in a county run home.
19 posted on 02/27/2007 7:17:26 AM PST by betsyross1776 (BIG HOME DO NOT BUY YOU HAPPINESS)
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To: .cnI redruM
but whose DNA is being compared with whose? Did they swab the Holy Ghost?

He could take a DNA sample from the eucharist. :-P

Actually, he has nothing but supposition that is leakier than the Titanic.

20 posted on 02/27/2007 7:23:31 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - Time's 2006 Person of the Year)
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To: Sensei Ern
>>>>He could take a DNA sample from the eucharist. :-P


I'd believe that, but you only sip the communion wine.
21 posted on 02/27/2007 7:25:04 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: Physicist
>>>>it's that he was crucified by the Romans. The bones ought to show evidence of that, if they're for the right man.


Actually, Crucifixion was a common punishment. Also, it was a punishment for the poor and the working class. People, who by most standards of the day never could have afforded a family plot. More than one guy named Jesus could have been believed guilty of a capital offense and punished that way.

Someone who was poor enough to crucify, rather than punishing in a more dignified manner, would not have been able to afford a box to be buried in. Those things cost a lot more, proportionally, than they do now.
22 posted on 02/27/2007 7:29:03 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: Physicist
"Pathetic, why? Do you think he forged the ossuaries? Or do you think they're for real, but that he's wrong to bring them to the public?"

His conclusions do not necessarily follow from the observations. There are many alternate explanations which can readily match the facts. From what I have seen, this yahoo apparently ignores them.
23 posted on 02/27/2007 7:46:53 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: .cnI redruM
Someone who was poor enough to crucify, rather than punishing in a more dignified manner, would not have been able to afford a box to be buried in.

Well, there you go. Either the guy in the box (if indeed there be bones) was crucified or not. If not, wrong guy, end of story. If so, then it's something unusual, as you say.

24 posted on 02/27/2007 7:47:26 AM PST by Physicist
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To: RexBeach

"When is Mr. Cameron going to go after Mohammed"?

As soon as he gives up air travel and starting his own car in the morning;)


25 posted on 02/27/2007 7:54:10 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: betsyross1776

Agreed-just boycott this dirtbag!


26 posted on 02/27/2007 7:59:36 AM PST by Frank_2001
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27 posted on 02/27/2007 8:47:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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28 posted on 02/27/2007 8:47:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: silverleaf
Perhaps the press should be reminded that Cameron's claims also constitute apostasy against the muslim prophet Isa and his mother Mary

I really doubt the RoP cares much.

The Koran bad mouths Isa (Jesus) MUCH more than this!

29 posted on 02/27/2007 9:36:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Koran (Quran) reference numbers...

 

'Isa did not die on a cross

Christians and Jews have corrupted their scriptures. (3:74-77, 113) Although Christians believe 'Isa died on a cross, and Jews claim they killed him, in reality he was not killed or crucified, and those who said he was crucified lied (4:157). 'Isa did not die, but ascended to Allah. (4:158) On the day of Resurrection 'Isa himself will be a witness against Jews and Christians for believing in his death. (4:159)

 


30 posted on 02/27/2007 9:51:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Miriam/Mariam/Mary, Iusuf/Joseph, and Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus were about the most common names around at that time.

Look how common names are in the Jesus story in general. Barabbas (of "Give us Barabbas" fame) was named Jesus Barabbas. Two of the disciples were named James (as was one of Jesus' brothers). Two disciples were named Simon (and Jesus ate with a Pharisee named Simon and another man named Simon carried His cross for him), and two may have been named Judas (Thaddeus is sometimes listed as a Judas in addition to Judas Iscariot). As to Marys, we have Jesus' mother, Mary Magdalene, and Mary of Bethany. In addition to the mischievous Salome who danced for John the Baptist's head, there was a Salome who was a follower of Jesus. John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus, but he is not be confused with John the apostle.

There are not all that many "characters" in the story of Jesus, but of those named, a surprising # of them have the same name.

31 posted on 02/27/2007 1:05:47 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ("Thanks, Tom DeLay, for practically giving me your seat"-Nick Lampson)
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To: Physicist
And if the box is empty...

The only thing that is empty is the head of anyone who buys this fabrication. I saw one story that said DNA evidence proves they were married. Oh, really? Unrelated people have a DNA match once they become married? This isn't even good faux-science.

32 posted on 02/27/2007 1:17:46 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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