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Brief history of the modern childlove movement
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Posted on 03/03/2007 9:23:28 AM PST by Calpernia

Platform and positions

NAMBLA describes itself as a "support group for intergenerational relationships," and uses the slogan "sexual freedom for all." According to the group's web site, its aim is to "support the rights of youth as well as adults to choose the partners with whom they wish to share and enjoy their bodies." Google Search of NAMBLA's IP http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=216.220.97.17&btnG=Search

One of the group's arguments is that age of consent laws can unnecessarily criminalize sexual relationships between adults and minors (particularly boys). http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/nambla.html In 1980 a NAMBLA general meeting passed a resolution, proposed by Tom Reeves, which said: "(1) The North American Man/Boy Love Association calls for the abolition of age-of-consent and all other laws which prevent men and boys from freely enjoying their bodies. (2) We call for the release of all men and boys imprisoned by such laws." http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/nambla.html This policy was still in NAMBLA's "official position papers" in 1996.

NAMBLA advocates a comprehensive youth rights platform of which sexual freedom is only a portion. In addition to supporting the repeal of age of consent laws, NAMBLA has also opposed corporal punishment, rape, and kidnapping, and has declared that sexual exploitation is grounds for expulsion from the group. http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/NAMBLA/nambla.replies.to.ilga.secretariat

Although some sources allege that NAMBLA has used the slogan "sex by eight is too late" or "sex by eight or else it's too late", this motto is properly attributed to the René Guyon Society.

History

NAMBLA emerged from the tumultuous political atmosphere of the 1970s, particularly from the leftist wing of the Gay Liberation movement which followed the 1969 Stonewall Riots in New York City. Although discussion of gay adult-minor sex did take place, gay rights groups immediately following the Stonewall Riot were more concerned with issues of police harassment, nondiscrimination in employment, health care and other areas.

Not until a "sex ring" of underage boys brought intense media scrutiny in Boston in the closing weeks of 1977, and police closed down the Toronto-area gay newspaper The Body Politic for publishing an article titled http://clga.ca/Material/Records/docs/hannon/ox/mbm.htm Men Loving Boys Loving Men did the subject of adult-minor sex garner enough attention to prompt the formation of a group like NAMBLA.

The founding of NAMBLA (1977-1978)

In December 1977, police raided a house in the Boston suburb of Revere. Twenty-four men were arrested and indicted on over 100 felony counts, including child pornography and statutory rape of boys aged eight to fifteen. Suffolk County District Attorney Garrett Byrne alleged that the men used drugs and video games to lure the boys into a house, where they photographed them as they engaged in sexual activity. Byrne accused the men of being members of a "sex ring", and said that the arrest was only "the tip of the iceberg." The arrests sparked intense media coverage, and local newspapers published the photographs and personal information of the accused men.

Staff members of the gay newspaper Fag Rag believed the raid was politically motivated. They and others in Boston's gay community saw Byrne's round-up as an anti-gay witchhunt. On December 9, they organized the Boston-Boise Committee, a name intended as a reference to a similar situation that unfolded in Boise, Idaho in the 1950s. The group sponsored rallies, provided funds for the defendants, and tried to educate the public about the case by passing out fliers. It would also later spawn NAMBLA.

District Attorney Garrett Byrne was defeated in his re-election bid. The new DA said that no man should fear prison for having sex with a teenager unless coercion was involved. All charges were dropped. The few who had already pled or been found guilty received only probation. http://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/ch_13_notes.htm#9

On December 2, 1978, Tom Reeves of the Boston-Boise Committee convened a meeting called "Man/Boy Love and the Age of Consent." Approximately 150 people attended. At the meeting's conclusion, about thirty men and youths decided to form an organization which they called the North American Man/Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA for short.

Ostracism

Some gay rights groups immediately following "Stonewall Inn", perceived age-of-consent laws as governmental tools to suppress homosexual behavior rather than as the safeguards against the sexual abuse of small children that they claimed to be. In many states that didn't explicitly criminalize homosexual behavior (the sodomy laws), age-of-consent laws were significantly lower for heterosexual couples than for homosexual couples. For example, in the state of Massachusetts, "Lawrence v. Texas", the age of consent for heterosexual couples was as low as 13 (with parental approval) but was 18 for homosexual men.

Consequently, a number of gay rights groups opposed age-of-consent laws at the time of NAMBLA's founding. A "Gay Rights Platform" http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm formed and adopted by about 200 gay activists at a convention in Chicago held by the National Coalition of Gay Organizations (NCGO), called for the "repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent" at the state level. (The NCGO, which was formed at the Chicago convention, primarily consisted of New York's Gay Activists Alliance (GAA), which was composed of many small gay activist groups organized mostly on college campuses throughout the U.S.). The GAA opposed age of consent laws and had hosted a forum on the topic in 1976. The Canadian Lesbian and Gay Rights Coalition also supported eliminating the existing age-of-consent laws.

The relative acceptance or indifference to opposition of the age-of-consent began to change at the same time as accusations that gays were child pornographers and child molesters became common. Judianne Densen-Gerber, founder of the New York drug rehabilitation center Odyssey House, argued that gays were responsible for child pornography. In 1977 former beauty queen Anita Bryant staked a similar position, starting the "Save Our Children" campaign. "The recruitment of our children," she argued, "is absolutely necessary for the survival and growth of homosexuality."

Bryant's campaign focusing on the alleged "recruitment" of boys by gay men succeeded in overturning a law that had protected civil rights for gays in Dade County, Florida. As a result, the age-of-consent issue became a hotly debated topic within the gay community, and disputes over the age of consent issue within and between gay rights groups -- many of which directly or indirectly involved NAMBLA -- began to occur on an increasingly frequent basis.

Disagreement was evident following the conference that organized the first gay march on Washington in 1979. In addition to forming several working committees, the conference was responsible for drafting the basic organizing principles of the march (“the five demands” http://www.rainbowhistory.org/mowprogram.pdf [see p. 23]). Originally, the Gay Youth Caucus had won approval for its proposal demanding “Full Rights for Gay Youth, including revision of the age of consent laws.” However at the first meeting of the National Coordinating Committee, a contingent of lesbians threatened not to participate in the march unless a substitute was adopted. The substitute, authored by an adult lesbian and approved in a mail poll by a majority of delegates, stated: “Protect Lesbian and Gay Youth from any laws which are used to discriminate against, oppress, and/or harass them in their homes, schools, job and social environments.”

In 1980 a group called the “Lesbian Caucus – Lesbian Gay Pride March Committee” distributed a hand-out urging women to split from the annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing committee had supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters. The next year, after some lesbians threatened to picket, the Cornell University gay group Gay PAC (Gay People at Cornell) rescinded its invitation to NAMBLA founder David Thorstad to be the keynote speaker at the annual May Gay Festival. And in the following years, gay rights groups attempted to block NAMBLA’s participation in gay pride parades, prompting Harry Hay to wear a sign proclaiming “NAMBLA walks with me” as he participated in a 1986 gay pride march in Los Angeles.

Thus by the mid-1980s, NAMBLA was virtually alone in its positions and found itself politically isolated. Gay rights organizations, burdened by accusations of child recruitment and child abuse, had abandoned the radicalism of their early years and had "retreat[ed] from the idea of a more inclusive politics," opting instead to appeal more to the mainstream. Support for "groups perceived as being on the fringe of the gay community," such as NAMBLA, vanished in the process. Today almost all gay rights groups disavow any ties to NAMBLA, voice disapproval of its objectives, and attempt to prevent NAMBLA from having a role in gay and lesbian rights events.

The ILGA controversy

The case of ILGA illustrates this opposition. In 1993, the International Lesbian and Gay Association, of which NAMBLA had been a member for a decade, achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's association with ILGA drew heavy criticism, and many gay organizations called for the ILGA to dissolve ties with NAMBLA. Republican Senator Jesse Helms proposed a bill to withhold $119 million in U.N. contributions until U. S. President Bill Clinton could certify that "no UN agency grants any official status, accreditation, or recognition to any organization which promotes, condones, or seeks the legalization of pedophilia, that is, the sexual abuse of children". The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by Clinton in April 1994.

ILGA had passed a resolution in 1985 which stated that "young people have the right to sexual and social self-determination and that age of consent laws often operate to oppress and not to protect." In spite of this apparent agreement with NAMBLA on the age of consent issue just nine years before, ILGA, by a vote of 214-30 expelled NAMBLA and two other groups MARTIJN and Project Truth in early 1994 because they were judged to be "groups whose predominant aim is to support or promote pedophilia." Although ILGA removed NAMBLA, the U.N. reversed its decision to grant ILGA special consultative status. Repeated attempts by ILGA to reacquire special status with the U.N. have not been successful, but the group does exercise consultative status with the European Commission.

Gregory King of the Human Rights Campaign later said that "NAMBLA is not a gay organization ... They are not part of our community and we thoroughly reject their efforts to insinuate that pedophilia is an issue related to gay and lesbian civil rights." NAMBLA responded by claiming that "man/boy love is by definition homosexual," that "man/boy lovers are part of the gay movement and central to gay history and culture," and that "homosexuals denying that it is 'not gay' to be attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as heterosexuals saying it's 'not heterosexual' to be attracted to adolescent girls."

1990s

In 1994 the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) adopted a "Position Statement Regarding NAMBLA" saying GLAAD "deplores the North American Man Boy Love Association's (NAMBLA) goals, which include advocacy for sex between adult men and boys and the removal of legal protections for children. These goals constitute a form of child abuse and are repugnant to GLAAD." Also in 1994 the Board of Directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) adopted a resolution on NAMBLA that said: "NGLTF condemns all abuse of minors, both sexual and any other kind, perpetrated by adults. Accordingly, NGLTF condemns the organizational goals of NAMBLA and any other such organization."

Documents relating to the court case Curley v. NAMBLA and others provide further information on NAMBLA's structure and activities. In March 2003 Judge George O'Toole of the Massachusetts federal court found that in the 1990s (the period being considered by the court), NAMBLA was controlled by a national Steering Committee, "a group which purposefully directed NAMBLA's outreach activities generally."

The court documents also shed light on some of NAMBLA's activities, including that:

:"NAMBLA was established as an unincorporated association in 1978 to encourage public acceptance of consensual sexual relationships between men and boys. Its principal place of business is New York, and its primary mechanisms of public outreach include its Bulletin, a quarterly publication sent to dues-paying members... Gayme Magazine, a NAMBLA publication mailed periodically to dues-paying members and sold at some bookstores; a NAMBLA website... TOPICS, a series of booklets providing more focused consideration of issues related to "man-boy love"; a prison newsletter; Ariel's Pages, a NAMBLA project through which literature concerning "man-boy love" was sold; and membership conferences.

:"The Steering Committee, through several of its members, also formed "Zymurgy, Inc.," a Delaware corporation, which was operated as a profit-making arm of NAMBLA. Although the defendants describe the Bulletin, Gayme Magazine, Ariel's Pages, and Zymurgy, Inc. as separate and distinct from NAMBLA, it appears from the materials submitted, including minutes of Steering Committee meetings, that the Steering Committee controlled all of these entities, providing monies to initiate and support various projects and freely transferring funds among them."

:"In addition to managing NAMBLA's financial matters, the Steering Committee also directed the association's policy, political, legal, and public relations efforts. Steering Committee members held frequent meetings and retreats during which they discussed NAMBLA's public image, formulated the association's outreach efforts, and nominated spokespersons. Members of the Steering Committee in close coordination with each other, created and maintained NAMBLA's website, and wrote, marketed, sold, and otherwise disseminated a variety of publications. Working in Massachusetts, William Andriette served as the editor of the Bulletin and Gayme Magazine. He did not act alone but rather under the supervision of the Steering Committee in producing these publications and in holding himself out as a NAMBLA spokesman.

:"In addition to the financial support and supervision provided by the full Steering Committee, the content of the Bulletin was guided by the "Bulletin Collective," an editorial board comprised of NAMBLA members from across the country who contributed and edited articles, screened photos and pictures, and participated in coordinating the production and distribution of the publication."

Judge O'Toole found that Dennis Bejin Joe Power, David Thorstad, David Miller (also known as David Menasco), Peter Melzer (also known as Peter Herman), Arnold Schoen (also known as Floyd Conaway), Dennis Mintun, Chris Farrell, Tim Bloomquist, Tecumseh Brown, Gary Hann, Peter Reed, Robert Schwartz, Walter Bieder and Leyland Stevenson were or had been members of the NAMBLA Steering Committee or had held other leading positions in the organization.

(The full text of these documents can be seen here.)

Today

More recently, media reports have suggested that for practical purposes the group no longer exists and that it consists only of a web site maintained by a few enthusiasts. NAMBLA maintains a web site at http://www.nambla.org that shows addresses in New York and San Francisco and a phone contact in New York, and offers publications for sale, including the NAMBLA Bulletin.

NAMBLA is identified as a lobby group in Jon Stewart's America: The Book A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction (2004), and is also alluded to on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, often tagged on to an existing lobby group's acronym for the parody.

Criticism and response

Gay groups, Christian groups, anti-sexual abuse organizations, law enforcement agencies and other critics see NAMBLA as a front for the criminal sexual exploitation of children. They say NAMBLA functions as a meeting place for male pedophiles and pederasts and their sympathizers. A number of alleged NAMBLA members have been charged with and convicted of sexual offenses against children.

Onell R. Soto, a San Diego Union-Tribune writer, wrote in February 2005: "Law enforcement officials and mental health professionals say that while NAMBLA's membership numbers are small, the group has a dangerous ripple effect through the Internet by sanctioning the behavior of those who would abuse children." http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manboy-daily.html

Suspicion pertaining to the group's activities led both the U.S. Senate and U.S. Postal Service to conduct investigations of the group, both of which concluded without allegations of legal impropriety.

NAMBLA responds to the criticism that it is a "front for criminal and sexual exploitation of children" and that it advocates sex between men and boys by stating unequivocally that "NAMBLA does not engage in any activities that violate the law, nor do we advocate that anyone else should do so". Since sex between adults and minors is illegal, it is presumably included in NAMBLA's avoidance of advocating activities that violate the law.

NAMBLA rejects the widely held view that sex between adults and minors is always harmful, arguing that "the outcomes of personal experiences between adults and younger people primarily depend upon whether their relationships were consensual,". In support of this position NAMBLA cites research such as A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples, which was published in the Psychological Bulletin in 1998. NAMBLA devoted a web page to a brief overview of the study under the heading "The Good News About Man/Boy Love," and claimed the study showed, "On average, nearly 70% of males in the studies reported that as children or adolescents their sexual experiences with adults had been positive or neutral."

http://web.archive.org/web/19981205120531/www.nambla.org/metaanalysis.htm Some researchers dispute the findings of the meta-analysis http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/rbt_files.htm

Gay rights groups opposed to NAMBLA contend that their reason for disavowing NAMBLA has always been their sharing of the general public's disdain for pedophilia and child sexual abuse (as expressed in issues statements). These gay rights groups reject NAMBLA's claims of an analogy between the campaign for gay and lesbian equality and the abolition of age-of-consent laws, and view NAMBLA's rhetoric about "the sexual rights of youth" as a cover for its members' "real agenda".

Radicals like Pat Califia http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/califa_aftermath_frame.htm argue that politics played an important role in the gay community's rejection of NAMBLA. Califia says that although the gay rights mainstream never committed itself to NAMBLA or its platform, neither did it actively ostracise NAMBLA until opponents of gay rights used the group to link gay rights with child abuse and "recruitment." As evidence, subscribers to this theory point to statements made by prominent gay activists which contain political assessments of NAMBLA's impact on gay rights. One such statement was made by gay rights lobbyist Steve Endean. Endean, who opposed NAMBLA, said: "What NAMBLA is doing is tearing apart the movement. If you attach it [the man/boy love issue] to gay rights, gay rights will never happen." Gay author and activist Edmund White made a similar statement in his book States of Desire: "That's the politics of self-indulgence. Our movement cannot survive the man-boy issue. It's not a question of who's right, it's a matter of political naivete."

Some conservative Christians in the United States have used NAMBLA to attack gays in general. With the outbreak of the Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal in 2002, this practice intensified. Critics of such organizations have pointed to statistics from national professional associations, such as the American Psychological Association and the Child Welfare League of America, which indicate that there is no correlation between homosexuality and child abuse.

Criminal allegations

Although NAMBLA itself has never been prosecuted, there have been a number of prosecutions of alleged NAMBLA members for sexual offences involving children or adolescents. The most recent of these cases involved a number of men arrested by the FBI in Los Angeles and San Diego in February 2005. Seven men were charged with planning to travel to Mexico to have sex with boys, the FBI said. An eighth man was charged with distributing child pornography.

According to a media report http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20050217-2208-manboy-daily.html, the FBI believes that at least one of the arrested men is a member of NAMBLA's national leadership, a second organized the group's national convention last year and a third said he had been a member since the 1980s.

Sources

Sources cited

http://www.glad.org/marriage/Joseph_Ureneck_brief.pdf
Brief of amicus curae of Bill Wood and Joseph Ureneck for Massachusetts Senate Bill 2175

Gamson, Joshua. 1997. Messages of Exclusion: Gender, Movements, and Symbolic Boundaries. Gender and Society 11(2):178-199.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0891-2432%28199704%2911%3A2%3C178%3AMOEGMA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-S

http://www.thecpac.com/Curleys-v-NAMBLA.html
The Curleys v NAMBLA and others

Johnson, Matthew D. 2004. NAMBLA. An Encyclopedia of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Culture.

http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/nambla.html
Thorstad, David. "Man/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement," Journal of Homosexuality 20 (1990): 251-274.

References

- Art Cohen, "The Boston-Boise Affair, 1977-78", Gay and Lesbian Review Worldwide, Vol. 10, No. 2. March-April, 2003.

- Benoit Denizet-Lewis, "Boy Crazy: NAMBLA: The Story of a Lost Cause," Boston Magazine
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/ArticleDisplay.php?id=27
May 2001.
- John Mitzel, The Boston Sex Scandal, Boston, Glad Day Books, 1981

External links

- http://www.nambla.org/ Home page of NAMBLA
- http://www.lib.neu.edu/archives/voices/gl_sexual2.htm Gay Community Responds to Revere

- http://www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/NAMBLA/ NAMBLA-related Documents on the Queer Resources Directory - http://www.bostonmagazine.com/ArticleDisplay.php?id=27&print=yes
Boston Magazine: Boy Crazy] A history of NAMBLA, May 2001 - http://www.thecpac.com/Curleys-v-NAMBLA.html The Curleys v NAMBLA and others
- http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/01/08/nambla.suit.crim/ CNN: Parents of murdered child sue child-sex advocates January 8, 2001 - http://www.stcynic.com/blog/archives/2003/12/the_aclu_and_th.php
BLOG: Dispatches from the Culture Wars: The ACLU and the NAMBLA Case] December 22, 2003
- http://www.aclu-mass.org/legal/docket_2003-2004.asp ACLU of Massachusetts :LEGAL DOCKET 2003- 2004: Summary of their defense of NAMBLA

- http://www.columbia.edu/cu/thefed/v3/volume20/4/nambla.shtml The Fed goes to a NAMBLA meeting: Category:Pedophile organizations Category:LGBT organizations Category:United States organizations


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To: cgk

Oh boy...

Oh man-boy...


51 posted on 03/03/2007 7:43:54 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (2/25/07. Never Forget.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Calpernia

Lots of info here, his own wing of the Stonewall Vets site:

http://www.stonewallvets.org/RudyGiuliani.htm


52 posted on 03/03/2007 7:46:06 PM PST by cgk
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To: cgk

Spirit of the Rebellion.

And, as per the history I posted in the bolded text, HISTORY, that was when NAMBLA was born.


53 posted on 03/03/2007 7:47:49 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Remember on Thats a Family post I said NAMBLA had very powerful members? I knew they did but some of the other names on that Stonewall were shocking to me. I guess all these sex offender laws we pass mean bs really if this cr@p is going on ... I think its time to find out just what is going on. Maybe get OReilly involved or someone like him?
54 posted on 03/03/2007 7:48:34 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: cgk

The Stonewall Inn has been made a National Historic Landmark and is now listed with U.S. National Park Service.

The Stonewall Rebellion occurred due to a raid in 1969. It operated without a liquor license, had ties with organized crime (Mafia Owned), and offered scantily clad go-go boys as entertainment.

The STONEWALL Veterans' Association ("S.V.A.") is comprised of the actual, surviving, active veterans of the famous 1969 Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender ("GLBT") Stonewall Rebellion in Greenwich Village, New York, U.S.A.

Members


Liz J. Abzug, Rebuild Our Town Downtown, Co-Chair
www.Abzug.com
N.Y.C. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
www.MikeBloomberg.com
N.Y.C. Councilmember James E. (Jed) Davis, In Memorium
www.Council.nyc.ny.us
Congressmember Geraldine A. Ferraro
www.search.Britannica.com
Borough President C. Virginia Fields
www.NewYorkers4Fields.com
America's Mayor Rudy W. Giuliani
www.GiulianiPartners.com
B. Thomas Golisano, Paychex, President
www.Paychex.com
N.Y.C. Public Advocate Betsy F. Gotbaum
www.PubAdvocate.nyc.gov
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
www.Riverkeeper.org
Councilmember Margarita L. Lopez
www.MargaritaLopez.com
Martha Reeves, Motown Singer & Detroit Councilwoman
www.STONEWALLvets.org/songsofStonewall-7.htm
N.Y.S. Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer
www.Spitzer2006.com
Steven L. Wesler, R.D.P. Group, President
www.RDPgroup.com
N.Y.S. Assemblymember Keith L.Wright
www.WrightForTheFuture.com


55 posted on 03/03/2007 7:52:19 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: TigersEye

ping


56 posted on 03/03/2007 7:52:28 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: cgk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1687307/posts?page=4#4

Thru

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1687307/posts?page=37#37


57 posted on 03/03/2007 7:53:04 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: pandoraou812
Soros owns the media. This is Soros nest egg. He set up all these gay networks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320747/posts
George Soros, Media Connections - Bump List

Remember McG's book release? That was a shot across the nose for many in our own state. David Mixner was his publicist.

David Mixner was also Clinton's Gay Advisor while he was in office.
58 posted on 03/03/2007 7:57:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

LOL.

Someone around here is more obsessed with gaydom than most homosexuals.

I didn't bother to read it, but the amount of information you have compiled, quite frankly, scares me.

It looks like an obsession with homosexuality, and moreso the most deviant and scary kinds, to me.

Hmmmmmmm...


59 posted on 03/03/2007 7:58:30 PM PST by bluefish (Are you really that thick, or are you simply trolling for fun?)
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To: Calpernia; Spiff; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; wagglebee; Reagan Man
From his Keynote Address to Log Cabin Republican Convention/Conference, in fall (September) of 1999:

(Giuliani) went on to praise the activities of the Log Cabin Republicans specifically. "Your presence in the Republican Party, in a very, very important philosophical way, keeps pushing all of us toward the very highest and the very best mission of this party. I can't thank you enough for being willing to remain in a party in which, and this is an understatement, not everyone shares the views that I have."

60 posted on 03/03/2007 8:01:41 PM PST by cgk
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To: bluefish
It looks like an obsession with homosexuality, and moreso the most deviant and scary kinds, to me.

The deviant and scary kinds they are: so why is Giuliani Partners listed as a member of the organization that promotes all of it?

61 posted on 03/03/2007 8:04:41 PM PST by cgk
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To: bluefish

Life is a cabaret, ole chum...so come to the cabaret ...


62 posted on 03/03/2007 8:05:35 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cgk

Oh the ponders.....

The Stonewall Rebellion occurred due to a raid in 1969. It operated without a liquor license, had ties with organized crime (Mafia Owned), and offered scantily clad go-go boys as entertainment.

The STONEWALL Veterans' Association ("S.V.A.") is comprised of the actual, surviving, active veterans of the famous 1969 Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender ("GLBT") Stonewall Rebellion in Greenwich Village, New York, U.S.A.

......


63 posted on 03/03/2007 8:07:12 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Sighing here big time....Recently a parent came up to me and asked why I was making such a fuss over the gays and that movie. She told me gays mean no harm to our children . And that I was crazy. She said I was making a fool of myself. It took much effort not to swat her. I think that too many people are just closing their eyes to everything they don't want to have to deal with. Its just decaying so fast. I don't know where morals are going...I don't understand why more parents aren't worried. I plan to make it clear to every person in our state govt where I stand on these issues. I haven't figured out how yet but I will. I get the feeling they never read their emails or faxes. I know Rudy can go to hell with NAMBLA and Stonewall. I don't think Soros owns Fox news. I know OReilly has mentioned NAMBLA before. We just need to get all the facts together and get this out in a straight forward to the point manner. Then pray it gets someone's interest. We have to think of something...
64 posted on 03/03/2007 8:09:14 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: bluefish

The fact that someone researches a topic doesn't mean they're obsessed. This was some legitimate information that tied back to concerns about Giuliani and his ties to groups advocating homosexual pedophilia. It may just be that Giuliani was working a group that had a lot of money for contributions, but there are also serious concerns about how much influence these groups have with Giuliani. While I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about these issues, this, combined with his total avoidance of social issues at CPAC have me concerned. It's certainly a lot more persuasive than the continual postings of the two photos of Giuliani in drag.

65 posted on 03/03/2007 8:10:36 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Why yes, I do have a stupid picture for any occasion)
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To: Calpernia; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; wagglebee
Gays, Giuliani, and Catholics

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Bad as the 1995 parade was, it was no match for last year's debacle ("Stonewall at 25," October 1994). On June 26, 1994, scores of fully naked men and women marched in an illegal parade yelling "F___ You" at those on the steps of St. Patrick's Cathedral. They masturbated in the street, pointed their middle fingers at the Cathedral, did satanic dances and dressed as cardinals, nuns, and priests. All of this was done in full view of Police Commissioner William Bratton and the New York City police force. Mayor Rudolph Giuliani watched from above in a helicopter. No one was arrested for anything.

...

...(re the '95 parade...): ..."All the usual suspects were there: drag queens, cross-dressers on Rollerblades, the Butch/Femme Society, the sado-macho brigade in black leather, Men of Discipline and other lovely types. Commercialism was most evident as about a third of the floats were sponsored by various gay bars and clubs. Though there were no signs indicating that the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was there, the child molesters were listed in the program..."

...There were men dressed as women and there were fairies on stilts. Hundreds of men wore nothing but jock straps, shaking their bodies to the beat of the blaring rock music. Olympic diving champion Greg Louganis was one of the grand marshals and pop singer Cyndi Lauper danced and sang her hit "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." Strange looking people were everywhere and often it was difficult to tell whether it was a man or a woman, and in some cases it appeared that it was both. And yes, some of the girls did bare their breasts (a few of them apparently spray painted their chests), but in all fairness it must be said that most of the girls managed to keep their clothes on. The police carried yellow blankets to cover the girls up but decided against using them. Following tradition, no one was arrested.

There's a fat and ugly guy who shows up every year dressed as the pope carrying a sign "My church organ is bigger than yours." He was there again this year. There was one car that passed by with a string of unrelated four letter words and sexual terms on it. Some marchers wore shirts with various vulgarities inscribed on them. There were large pictures of men performing oral sex and there were several examples of men simulating oral sex live atop the floats. The latter exhibition led Norm Siegel of the ACLU to declare "I love watching the First Amendment in action," thus demonstrating how far we've come in our understanding of free speech.

No Gay Pride Parade would be complete without a little Catholic bashing. It should be noted that the place where the march began, 52nd Street, is not a major cross street, making it all the more conspicuous what the intent was in starting there. If Catholic bashing wasn't central to the parade, then surely the request to start the march just south of the Cathedral would have been granted. Indeed, when Janice Thom, the co- chairman of the parade's sponsors, Heritage of Pride, was asked to comment on my statement that her group had deliberately targeted St. Patrick's, she responded briskly, "That's an interesting idea."

The most flagrant anti-Catholicism came from Catholic Ladies for Choice. In this group, there were gays and lesbians dressed as nuns carrying coat hangers and lesbians dressed as nuns carrying tambourines. Most incredible was the gay man who wore a black bra and a black jock strap with a huge set of rosary beads wrapped around his otherwise naked body. There was also someone dressed as the pope with a banner that read, "The Catholic Church, a history of murder, lies, censorship, oppression, and hypocrisy."

And what did Mayor Giuliani have to say about all this? He called it a "very dignified parade."


I guess I'll stop pinging y'all when I stop tripping over my jaw.
66 posted on 03/03/2007 8:13:14 PM PST by cgk
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To: Richard Kimball
There are national security issues too since this group funds the anti war movement.

Stonewall's AntiWar movement funded by International A.N.S.W.E.R.

Stonewall Warriors logo


Stonewall Warriors A.N.S.W.E.R.
31 Germania St.
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
Phone: 617-522-6626
Fax: 617-983-3836

Next Meeting
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67 posted on 03/03/2007 8:17:44 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cgk

Amazing how much respect Mr. Law & Order has for militant homosexuals who took to the streets to attack the NYPD in 1969.

The more I read about this "Stonewall Rebellion" he's so fond of, the more the idea of him leading my party chills me to the bone. There's no way I could even cast a gun-to-the-head vote for this guy, which I was beginning to consider in recent days. Shame on me for that.


68 posted on 03/03/2007 8:18:30 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (2/25/07. Never Forget.)
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To: cgk

That is disgusting.


69 posted on 03/03/2007 8:18:42 PM PST by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: cgk

I should have read the post before I responded. I was still on the Stonewall stuff.

This just gets worse and worse and worse...

Wow. Just wow.


70 posted on 03/03/2007 8:21:14 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (2/25/07. Never Forget.)
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To: bluefish
Do you have children? What is going on in the schools with the Gays is downright alarming. The people who are pushing the gay agenda are serious about pushing their gay issues on our children. If we vote in pro gay officials it will get worse. As it is in NJ it is very alarming. I don't want my child taught its ok to be gay. I want her taught the skills she needs in life. Not sexual preferences. If they can't teach about God then IMO they surely ought to stop the gay bs. I guess I do have an obsession with this as I am anti gay. I wish they would get back in the closet. You want to be gay fine, just keep it to yourself. I really see no need for all these parades and gay cruises, gay Disney week etc. Why do they have to push their gayness on people who aren't?
71 posted on 03/03/2007 8:23:53 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

There's no way I could even cast a gun-to-the-head vote for this guy, which I was beginning to consider in recent days. Shame on me for that

Shame on me too! I was thinking well he did a good job cleaning NYC up and then after 99/11.....I was thinking maybe he would be good, well after reading all this all I can say it that Rudy will never get my vote. And I will be sure to try to sway anyone who likes him into reading this.


72 posted on 03/03/2007 8:31:32 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Kevmo

See this whole thread


73 posted on 03/03/2007 8:32:33 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

One word, disgusting !


74 posted on 03/03/2007 8:40:39 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Calpernia
The Stonewall Rebellion occurred due to a raid in 1969. It operated without a liquor license, had ties with organized crime (Mafia Owned), and offered scantily clad go-go boys as entertainment.

Oh yes... I'm sifting through SmokingGun archives and NYT & Newsday articles, as well as LE mafia write-ups. Here's what I've found so far:

Rudy's (1st) cousin Lewis D'Avanzo (aka Steve the Blonde) was a gay mafia associate who was gunned down in a firefight with the FBI in '77. (Rudy knew this cousin enough to invite him to his 1st wedding...)

Which mafia family Steve worked for I wasn't able to nail down, though it appears to be Gambino as a Gambino enforcer was his 'partner.' Also, D'Avanzo's son was associated with the Gambino family.

It was the Gambino family who apparently owned the original Stonewall Inn where underage boys were on the menu.

75 posted on 03/03/2007 9:14:51 PM PST by cgk
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To: Calpernia
I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp


76 posted on 03/03/2007 11:52:37 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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77 posted on 03/03/2007 11:53:06 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Calpernia
Bookmarker.

The right information and just the right time...THANK!
78 posted on 03/04/2007 5:29:53 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Calpernia

Excellent work as usual, and ahead of your time! :)


79 posted on 03/04/2007 9:57:29 AM PST by cgk
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To: Calpernia
Hmmmm, I wonder why the Progressive Left supports this group? Is there something about initial Marxism that attracts these people?
80 posted on 03/04/2007 10:22:29 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Cagey

Here you go Cagey. Read this post for an example of what I was talking about

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794584/posts?page=7#7


81 posted on 03/04/2007 5:38:38 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Notice that freak's email address is @netzero.com? He can't even afford to pay for an ISP.

I know what you're saying, Calpernia, but I feel that Kennedy and Kerry are pure ideologues, while most of our pols in New Jersey are in it to line their pockets and the pockets of their friends and relatives at our expense.

Kennedy's objective is not wealth, but to mock our Constitution and have our government as he thinks it should be. Kerry is just a slug who wants power.

82 posted on 03/04/2007 5:46:19 PM PST by Cagey
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If anyone would like to do more research on NAMBLA, Bill at MIT has the NAMBLA material for further research. ---------------------------------------------------------

NAMBLA Bulletin: Voice of the North American Man/Boy Love Association Vol 16 Issue 2 August '95
A publication of the North American Man/Boy Love Association. News of our shrinking freedoms and the endless struggles of that much miligned organization.

Bill Andriette reports on the new law requiring additional paperwork for sexually explicit publication. What this law requires is that publications maintain a public record of all the identies and ages of all models depicted in the magazine. It's so burdonsome that it will no doubt effect the bottom line of hundreds of tiny sex zines and may result in many of them shutting down for good. Because this law only applies to models engaging in "sexually explicit conduct," tame mainstream publications are alowed to go about their business unaffected. So far Brenda Tatelbaum is the first to go public in stating that she will not comply with the law in her publication *EIDOS*. Even though this legislation was created under the auspices of attacking groups like NAMBLA, it won't (directly) effect the publication *NAMBLA Bulletin*.

We here at *Factsheet Five* do not encourage or advocate the production or distibution of any materials which run afoul of U.S. law. We also don't believe this publication contradicts such laws. Readers should keep in mind that our reviews do not necessarily constitute an endorsement of the ideas contained in the publications.

$5 Each , Subs: $30.00 for 10 issues to Nambla Bulletin, Box 174, Midtown Station New York, NY 10018 (48 Pages/S/RSF) No trades/reviews zines/submissions OK/no ads/ Email:bill@silver.lcs.mit.edu

NAMBLA Bulletin: Voice of the North American Man/Boy Love Association Vol 16 Issue 1 July '95
A publication of the North American Man/Boy Love Association. News of our shrinking freedoms and the endless struggles of that much miligned organization.

In September of '94 three NAMBLA activists formed an New York-based non-profit corporation called Zymurgy. The priciple goals are to promote a greater understanding of sexuality and to provide fundraising for NAMBLA. Now the New York State Attorney General Dennis Vacco made a number of false allegations and vowed to dissolve the corporation. Hmmm, must be an election comming up.

We here at *Factsheet Five* do not encourage or advocate the production or distibution of any materials which run afoul of U.S. law. We also don't believe this publication contradicts such laws. Readers should keep in mind that our reviews do not necessarily constitute an endorsement of the ideas contained in the publications.

$5 Each , Subs: $30.00 for 10 issues to Nambla Bulletin, Box 174, Midtown Station New York, NY 10018 (16 Pages/S/RSF) No trades/reviews zines/submissions OK/no ads/ Email:bill@silver.lcs.mit.edu

83 posted on 03/05/2007 7:09:42 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Duplex Duo Reopening Historic
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Get ready to rip out a parking meter or two.

Workers renovating the historic Stonewall tavern at 53 Christopher Street--site of the famous 1969 bottle-tossing, meter-uprooting riot that birthed the gay-rights movement--have confirmed that the hallowed venue is scheduled to reopen in February.

Its rehab comes at the behest of the bar's new management, which includes Bill Morgan and Tony DeCicco of the neighboring Duplex piano bar.

"It's gonna be gorgeous," pledged one worker inside the dusty reconstruction site on Jan. 2.

Neither Mr. DeCicco nor Mr. Morgan, who earlier criticized the venue's prior vibe, would comment for The Observer.

- Chris Shott



Posted by The Real Estate on January 3, 2007 2:01 PM |

TrackBack URL for this entry: http://216.70.73.119/mt/mt-tb.cgi/17027

84 posted on 03/05/2007 7:25:56 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Martha Reeves??


85 posted on 03/05/2007 12:13:14 PM PST by smalltownslick
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To: smalltownslick

Is Martha Reeves related to Tom Reeves?

From the initial post:

>>>On December 2, 1978, Tom Reeves of the Boston-Boise Committee convened a meeting called "Man/Boy Love and the Age of Consent." Approximately 150 people attended. At the meeting's conclusion, about thirty men and youths decided to form an organization which they called the North American Man/Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA for short.<<<


86 posted on 03/05/2007 12:30:30 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: smalltownslick
http://www.stonewallvets.org/songsofStonewall-7.htm
"Songs of The Stonewall" ©

Motown / Stonewall Legends:

Martha Reeves & The Vandellas (MRV)

Gold Girls: Rosalind Ashford (top), Betty Kelly (left) and Martha Reeves

"Right-on" to Motown Records for timely issuing "GOLD", a new and expanded anthology of Martha Reeves & The Vandellas. This double compact disc collection has over forty songs, including all of the MRV single-release songs on Motown's Gordy record label and a healthy sampling of their popular flipside songs. "Songs of The Stonewall" included is firstly the perennial favorites "Heat Wave" and "Dancing In The Street", which appeared, respectively, in The Stonewall Club's jukebox, for a month or so each, every summer. The regular Stonewall Era songs digitally-remastered in these two c/d's include: "My Baby Loves Me" and "I'm Ready For Love" from 1966; "Jimmy Mack" and "Love Bug Leave My Heart Alone" from 1967; "Honey Chile" and "I Promise To Wait My Love" from 1968; and "We've Got Honey Love" and "Taking My Love And Leaving Me" from 1969. The MRV flipside record songs include the finger-snapping, line-dancing "Third Finger, Left Hand" and the fast-paced, hard-dancing "One Way Out" from 1967 and "Show Me The Way To Your Heart" and "Forget Me Not" from 1968. All were flipside hits at The Stonewall. The collection is expanded with its hot handful sampling of post-MRV single songs of a solo Martha Reeves.

87 posted on 03/05/2007 12:33:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cgk

Log Cabin Republicans partying with anti war protestors at RNC 2004 Convention.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1796766/posts
From the ORIGINAL Cache of the 2004 Republican National Convention


88 posted on 03/07/2007 11:47:39 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Stonewall listed as a place of interest:

http://www.bryanchristian.com/rncguide/listings/Landmarks_and_Parks.shtml
RNCGuide


89 posted on 03/07/2007 11:50:11 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1798159/posts
In Times Square, NYC's Greatest Fashion Show on Earth


90 posted on 03/09/2007 11:00:29 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Emphasis:

>>>Though some criticized the Mattachine movement as insular, it grew to include thousands of members in dozens of chapters, which formed from Berkeley to Buffalo, and created a lasting national framework for gay organizing. Mattachine set the stage for rapid civil rights gains following 1969’s Stonewall riots in New York City.<<<


Harry Hay
Pioneer, coalition-builder and radical faerie
Nov., 2002

Henry “Harry” Hay, the founder of the modern American gay movement, died on October 24, 2002 at age 90. He had been diagnosed weeks earlier with lung cancer. Despite his illness, he remained lucid to the end and died peacefully in his sleep at his home in San Francisco.

“Harry Hay’s determined, visionary activism significantly lifted gays out of op-pression,” said Stuart

Timmons, who published a biography of Hay, called “The Trouble with Harry Hay,” in 1990. “All gay people continue to benefit from his fierce affirmation of gays as a people.”

Hay devoted his entire life to progressive politics, and in 1950 founded a state-registered foundation network of support groups for gays known as the Mattachine Society.

Hay was also a co-founder, in 1979, of the Radical Faeries, a movement affirming gayness as a form of spiritual calling. A rare link between gay and progressive politics, Hay and his partner of 39 years, John Burnside, had lived in San Francisco for three years after a lifetime in Los Angeles. Hay is listed in histories of the American gay movement as the first person to apply the term “minority” to homosexuals. An uncompromising radical, he easily dismissed “the heteros” and never rested from challenging the status quo, including within the gay community.

“Harry was one of the first to realize that the dream of equality for our community could be attained through visibility and activism,” said David M. Smith of the Human Rights Campaign in Washington, DC. “When you were in a room with him, you had the sense you were in the company of a historic figure.”

Due to the pervasive homophobia of his times (it was illegal for more than two homosexuals to congregate in California during the 1950s), Hay and his colleagues took an oath of anonymity that lasted a quarter century until Jonathan Ned Katz interviewed Hay for the ground-breaking book “Gay American History,” published in 1976. Countless researchers subsequently sought him out. In recent years, Hay became the subject of a biography, a PBS-funded documentary, and an anthology of his own writings called “Radically Gay: Gay Liberation in the Words of Its Founder.”

Before the establishment of the Mattachine Society, attempts to create gay organizations in the United States had fizzled or been stamped out. Hay’s first organizational conception was a group he called Bachelors Anonymous, formed to both support and leverage the 1948 presidential candidacy of Progressive Party leader Henry Wallace. Hay wrote and discreetly circulated a prospectus calling for “the androgynous minority” to organize as a political entity.

Hay’s call for an “international bachelor’s fraternal order for peace and social dignity” did not bear results until 1950. That year, his love affair with Viennese immigrant Rudi Gernreich (whose fashion designs eventually earned him a place on the cover of Time magazine), brought Hay into gay circles where a critical mass of daring souls could be found to begin sustained meetings. On November 11, 1950, at Hay’s home in the Silver Lake district of Los Angeles, a group of gay men met which became the Mattachine Society. Of the original Mattachine founders, Chuck Rowland, Bob Hull, and Dale Jennings pre-deceased Hay. Konrad Stevens and John Gruber are the last surviving members of the founding group.

“Mattachine” took its name from a group of medieval dancers who appeared publicly only in mask, a device well understood by homosexuals of the 1950s. Hay devised its secret cell structure (based on the Masonic order) to protect individual gays and the nascent gay network. Officially co-gender, the group was largely male -- the Daughters of Bilitis, the pioneering lesbian organization, formed independently in San Francisco in 1956.

Though some criticized the Mattachine movement as insular, it grew to include thousands of members in dozens of chapters, which formed from Berkeley to Buffalo, and created a lasting national framework for gay organizing. Mattachine set the stage for rapid civil rights gains following 1969’s Stonewall riots in New York City.

Harry Hay was born in England in 1912, the day the Titanic sank. His father worked as a mining engineer in South Africa and Chile, but the family settled in Southern California. After graduating from Los Angeles High School, he briefly attended Stanford, but dropped out and returned to Los Angeles. He understood from childhood that he was a sissy -- different in behavior from boys or girls -- and also that he was attracted to men. His same-sex affairs began when he was a teenager, not long after he began reading 19th century scholar Edward Carpenter, whose essays on “homogenic love” strongly influenced his thinking.

A tall and muscular young man, Hay worked as both an extra and ghostwriter in 1930s Hollywood. He developed a passion for theater, and performed on Los Angeles stages with Anthony Quinn in the 1930s, and with Will Geer, who became his lover. Geer (who later generations grew to love as Grandpa Walton on the TV series “The Waltons”), took Hay to the San Francisco General Strike of 1934, and indoctrinated him into the American Communist Party. Hay became an active trade unionist. A blend of Marxist analysis and stagecraft strongly influenced his later gay organizing.

Despite a decade of gay life, in 1938 Hay married the late Anita Platky, also a Communist Party member. The couple were stalwarts of the Los Angeles Left. Hay taught at the California Labor School and worked on domestic campaigns like that for Ed Roybal, the first Latino elected in Los Angeles. The Hayses occasionally hosted Pete Seeger when he performed in Los Angeles, and Hay recalled demonstrating with Josephine Baker in 1945 over the Jim Crow segregation policy of a local restaurant. When he felt compelled to go public with the Mattachine Society in 1951, Hay and his wife divorced.

After a burst of activity lasting three years, the growing Mattachine rejected Hay as a liability due to his Communist beliefs. In 1955, when he was called before the House Un-American Activities Committee, he had trouble finding a progressive attorney to represent him. He felt this was due to homophobia on the Left. (He was ultimately dismissed after his curt, brief testimony was deemed unimportant.) Hay felt exiled from the Left for nearly fifty years, until he received the Life Achievement Award of a Los Angeles library preserving the history and artifacts of progressive movements.

A second wind of activism came in 1979 when Hay founded, with Don Kilhefner, a spiritual movement known as the Radical Faeries. This pagan-inspired group continues internationally based on the principle that the consciousness of gays differs from that of heterosexuals. Hay believed that this different way of seeing constituted the greatest contribution gays made to society, and was indeed the reason for their continued presence throughout history.

For most of his life Hay lived in Los Angeles. However, during the early 1940s, Hay and his wife lived in New York City. He returned there with John Burnside to march and speak at the Stonewall 25 celebration in 1994. During the 1970s, he and Burnside moved to New Mexico, where he ran the trading post at San Juan Pueblo Indian reservation.

His years of research for gay references in history and anthropology texts led Hay to formulate his own gay-centered political philosophy, which he wrote and spoke about constantly. His theory of “gay consciousness” placed variant thinking as the most significant trait in homosexuals. “We differ most from heterosexuals in how we perceive the world. That ability to offer insights and solutions is our contribution to humanity, and why our people keep reappearing over the millennia,” he often stressed.

Hay’s occasional exhortations that gays should “maximize the differences” between themselves and heterosexuals remained controversial. Some academics and activists seeking full integration of gays and lesbians into straight society tended to reject his ideas while still respecting his historic stature.

A fixture at anti-draft and anti-war demonstrations for sixty years, Hay worked in Women’s Strike for Peace during the Vietnam War as a conscious strategy to build a coalition between gay and feminist progressives. He also worked closely with Native American activists, especially the Committee for Traditional Indian Land and Life. Hay was a local founder of the Lavender Caucus of Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition during the early 1980s, and was determined to convince the gay community that its political success was inextricably tied to a broader progressive agenda.

Despite his often-combative nature, Hay became an increasingly beloved figure to younger generations of gay activists. He was often referred to as the “Father of Gay Liberation.”

Hay is survived by Burnside as well as by his self-chosen gay family, a model he strongly advocated for lesbians and gays. His adopted daughters, Kate Berman and Hannah Muldaven, also survive him. A circle of Radical Faeries provided care for him and Burnside through their later years.

Harry Hay leaves behind a wide circle of friends and admirers among lesbians, gays, and progressive activists. Donations in his memory can be made to the San Francisco GLBT Community Center, 1800 Market Street, San Francisco CA 94102 (identify it for the Harry and John Founders Wall plaque), or to the One Institute and Archives, 909 West Adams Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90007.





[This obituary was prepared by Stuart Timmons, Hay’s official biographer, historian Martin Duberman, Joey Cain of the San Francisco GLBT Pride Parade, and Harry Hay’s niece, Sally Hay. IN Step’s Jamakaya also contributed to the story.]


91 posted on 03/10/2007 8:17:25 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cgk; windchime; Liz; dmw; mkjessup; wagglebee; Coleus; narses; WalterSkinner; AuntB; stockpirate; ..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1794584/posts?page=91#91


92 posted on 03/10/2007 8:20:18 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: doodlelady

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93 posted on 03/10/2007 8:22:37 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: GrandEagle

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94 posted on 03/10/2007 8:28:18 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

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95 posted on 03/10/2007 8:28:56 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: pandoraou812

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96 posted on 03/10/2007 8:30:10 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: dynachrome; Spiff; flashbunny; NapkinUser

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97 posted on 03/10/2007 8:32:03 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: panaxanax; Cindy; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta

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98 posted on 03/10/2007 8:34:12 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cgk

Rudy needs to just be outta here.


99 posted on 03/10/2007 8:35:05 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Calpernia
and with Will Geer, who became his lover. Geer (who later generations grew to love as Grandpa Walton on the TV series “The Waltons”)

Grandpa Walton was gay? That just freaks me out.

100 posted on 03/10/2007 8:42:02 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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