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The Coulter Hoax: How Ann Coulter Exposed the Intelligent Design Movement
Talk Reason (from Skeptical Inquirer) ^ | March 14, 2007 | Peter Olofsson

Posted on 03/31/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by EveningStar

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Wow. This guy is really stirring the pot. What say all of you?
1 posted on 03/31/2007 1:48:12 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
What say all of you?

I say we need a picture!

 

2 posted on 03/31/2007 1:50:50 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; All

ping

(who is your counterpart, DLR?)


3 posted on 03/31/2007 1:52:58 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I don't see it.


4 posted on 03/31/2007 1:54:15 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: jellybean

ping


5 posted on 03/31/2007 1:54:45 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Incorrigible
Now that I see. Thank you.
6 posted on 03/31/2007 1:54:58 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: Howlin; onyx; Clemenza; Petronski; GummyIII; SevenofNine; veronica; Xenalyte; CheneyChick; ...

Misc ping list


7 posted on 03/31/2007 1:55:56 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I think he is deperately trying a bit too hard to attack those who don't buy into macro-evoloution. His points sound pretty weak to me.


8 posted on 03/31/2007 1:57:48 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: EveningStar

The evo's are getting desperate, they know their pseudo science is nothing but junk, and that Coulter has put another nail in the coffin.


9 posted on 03/31/2007 1:58:37 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: EveningStar

Actually, I hate to say it, but this piece is virtually unreadable. He's a lousy writer (maybe because English isn't his primary language). And there's really no argument at all. Just faked up astonishment that ANYONE could possibly question the General Theory of Evolution.

There's nothing here to argue with, because there's no argument to refute. Just mush.


10 posted on 03/31/2007 2:06:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: EveningStar

'What say all of you?" - Say of what, or of whom? of Peter Olofsson? - sounds interesting, could be nice to meet some day. Of ID'ers? - good for laughing at, otherwise, per Dante, "They aren't worth a word. Just glance - and pass".


11 posted on 03/31/2007 2:07:01 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Axlrose

"they know their pseudo science is nothing but junk"

I'm sure they dont see it that way.

The earth is 4 billion years old. Lots of time for changes.


12 posted on 03/31/2007 2:07:47 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: EveningStar

Mr. Olofsson is either himself satirizing Coulter's inane nonsense or he's fallen into the trap many rational people fall into: Thinking that ID is so patently ridiculous that its proponents don't actually believe such nonsense.


13 posted on 03/31/2007 2:07:47 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: AntiGuv
Mr. Olofsson is either himself satirizing Coulter's inane nonsense or he's fallen into the trap many rational people fall into:

I'll go with the former.

14 posted on 03/31/2007 2:09:53 PM PDT by freespirited (Resentment, redistribution, and re-education. The three Rs of liberalism.)
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To: Axlrose
The evo's are getting desperate, they know their pseudo science is nothing but junk, and that Coulter has put another nail in the coffin.

Sorry, that happens not to be the case.

Here is a nice link for the lurkers: Index of Creationist Claims.

15 posted on 03/31/2007 2:10:22 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Incorrigible

Hmmm...Let's see...Watch Ann say something or watch Rosie say something. I think I just made up my mind.


16 posted on 03/31/2007 2:11:52 PM PDT by econjack
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To: EveningStar

I do agree with the general theme presented here. Coulter is an astute businesswoman and probably doesn't believe half the stuff she spouts. She has just found a nice niche market for herself.


17 posted on 03/31/2007 2:12:11 PM PDT by Aikonaa
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To: EveningStar

Ann also has said that the best way to deal with Islam is to turn them into Christians.


18 posted on 03/31/2007 2:12:22 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.. Abe)
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To: plain talk
I think he is deperately trying a bit too hard

He gives Coulter a huge amount of credit for some very thorough subtlety. Not that she isn't capable, but I think she was just throwing red meat out there for her readers who she knows want to read this.

As for her own views, well I tend to have a lot more respect for those who just espouse out and out creationism rather than try and redefine science to meet their political goals.

The West spent the last 500 years developing and teaching by the scientific method. Islam spent that last 500 years teaching religion in schools. Enough said.

19 posted on 03/31/2007 2:13:21 PM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I don't care what side of the debate you are on: Weather is not Climate)
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To: EveningStar

My whole theory about evolution is although most mammals, fish and whatnot have two eyes, legs, arms, and similar gentialia, there is no way to prove that any of these beings are connected unless you were there to witness it.

Sure you can do DNA tests and find similarities, but in the end it all comes down to having humans suddenly appearing out of seemingly nowhere with these incredible inventive genius minds.

It`s like having dolphins and all of a sudden there is this mutation of dolphins that can understand and invent math and physics, it just doesn`t happen, it`s impossible. It`s never happened in any species, there is no evidence it ever happened other than humans.

The primates that are around today, Gorillas, Chimps, Orangutans, seem to have all survived when Cro-magnon, Neaderthals have not yet Cro-Magnons and Neaderthals were supposedly smarter than all those primates yet they died off.

Maybe I`m writing a foolish post, but to make it brief, it seems quite impossible to me that humans could "evolve" from all that. It just doesn`t happen. If it did, we would have quite a number of other species with the mental abilities of humans. Bears, cats, dogs all have claws.. Yet only humans have this mental ability.

You would think at LEAST one other species would have the same, but no. None exist.


20 posted on 03/31/2007 2:15:49 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: Coyoteman

Here are some better links for the thinkers.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

http://www.icr.org/


21 posted on 03/31/2007 2:19:45 PM PDT by protest1
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To: EveningStar

I think of Ann as an excellent comedic entertainer, who uses political topics.

Rather like Carlos Medicino who uses ethnic topics.

To neither would I go for science.


22 posted on 03/31/2007 2:20:27 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: EveningStar
I think Dr. Peter Olofsson has been living in his academic bubble way to long

He thinks he's making a brilliant observation about Coulter which everybody else is not getting, except we are all rolling our eyes trying not to be embarrassed for him

He's definitely wearing his "I'm a geek button"

23 posted on 03/31/2007 2:22:47 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: AntiGuv

I think it is satire, it's an anti-creationist site but the author didn't call Ann a Nazi which is the standard leftie tactic, but is friendly and well done ...

"In conclusion, Coulter has written a biting satire over the trend of anti-intellectualism that clouds part of the conservative ideology, which is otherwise based on principle and reason. If I have any objection to Coulter's piece, it would be that it is a bit lengthy, but perhaps this too is part of the satire, as some antievolution pieces tend to be pretty verbose. There are also some things I don't fully understand, for example several references to bestiality and some seemingly nonsequitur remarks about Cher and Elton John. Considering how wonderfully multilayered Coulter's writing is, I am sure there is a perfectly logical explanation."

If only marxism and other phony theories were as dismissed as creationism was in the Academy.

He reminds us that we can believe in God and evolution at the same time.


24 posted on 03/31/2007 2:23:38 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: Coyoteman
Here is a nice link for the lurkers: Index of Creationist Claims.

I thought the article was about ID...you appear to think it's about creationists. Was there 2 articles?

25 posted on 03/31/2007 2:25:52 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: EveningStar

To me evolution does exist but for animals, but when it comes to humans there was something else involved. You cannot get the human mind from evoution, it`s impossible. It`s too far out there, too far from the norm. To me what the bible says is true, it came from God.


26 posted on 03/31/2007 2:28:03 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: EveningStar

Initially ID appealed to me as a believer, but as I read it I was less than impressed with the rigor with which it was presented. Some of the presentations reminded me of stories that liberals tell to gain sympathy for a particular cause.


27 posted on 03/31/2007 2:28:24 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Coyoteman

It would be nice to see a similar debunking site:
"Index of Liberal Claims"


28 posted on 03/31/2007 2:30:25 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: EveningStar

When another species other than human can come up with this, then I`ll believe humans did evolve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEaKjRyPj


29 posted on 03/31/2007 2:30:34 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: All
"If evolution is true, then God created evolution." Ann Coulter.

Why is it so hard for "scientists" to accept that?

the trend of anti-intellectualism that clouds part of the conservative ideology

Oh really, then why is this piece by Prof. Olofsson the only response to Ms Coulter that is not screaming Racist! Bigot! Homophobe!

IOW, why do the self-appointed "intellectual" liberals make Ms Coulter the "issue" instead of responding to what she postulates?

30 posted on 03/31/2007 2:30:44 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Screamname

Whoops, here is the video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEaKjRyPj


31 posted on 03/31/2007 2:31:48 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: EveningStar

My brain is in a twist!

Is this guy saying Coulter busts creation/ID
by busting evolution? (scratching head)

That is pretzel logic.


32 posted on 03/31/2007 2:34:24 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Axlrose

It's certainly not an argument someone confident of their science would make.


33 posted on 03/31/2007 2:36:51 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Jo Nuvark
My brain is in a twist! Is this guy saying Coulter busts creation/ID by busting evolution? (scratching head) That is pretzel logic.

It's evo logic. (same thing)

34 posted on 03/31/2007 2:37:27 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Screamname
"The url contained a malformed video id."

Any monkey can pound out a bad url on a keyboard. ;^)

35 posted on 03/31/2007 2:39:19 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: Tribune7

Evo Logic? Oh good. I thought my dna had misfired.


36 posted on 03/31/2007 2:39:23 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: EveningStar

Peter Olofsson, Visiting Associate Professor

Education 2002 Docent (Swedish post-graduate degree) mathematical statistics, Chalmers Institute of Technology, Gothenberg, Sweden

1994 Ph.D. mathematical ststistics, Gothenburg University, Sweden

1989 M.S., mathematical statistics, Gothenburg University, Sweden



"Intelligent Design and Mathematical Statistics: A Troubled Alliance. Submitted, 2007"

Press Here

37 posted on 03/31/2007 2:39:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: AntiGuv

[...Any monkey can pound out a bad url on a keyboard...]

Proves evolution.


38 posted on 03/31/2007 2:40:03 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Axlrose

How old is the earth?


39 posted on 03/31/2007 2:40:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
If the current crop of books want to keep drumming up the old piltdown, peking, zinj. etc. fossils it's the same old fakes.

When they start reading what's out there about c14 dating methods, geologocal columns, circulart dating (rocks date fossils, fossils date rocks) and and poly-strat fossils as well as hundreds of "out of place" fossil finds, the real leading edge studies will be discussed.

Until then there are few who are studied enough to present it (self included). The problem is not that enough evidence is available to leave macro-evolutionary theory in shambles, it's that if any one of science talks about it they lose their jobs and have their grants withdrawn.

my two cents.

40 posted on 03/31/2007 2:40:13 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my Hummer with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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http://www.math.tulane.edu/~polofsson/


41 posted on 03/31/2007 2:42:21 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Coyoteman
Long time no see C-man. Part of it's my fault, I've pretty much stayed away from the CREVO threads. :o)

Hope all is well.

42 posted on 03/31/2007 2:43:22 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my Hummer with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
He gives Coulter a huge amount of credit for some very thorough subtlety.

Actually he doesn't - the whole piece is an attack on Coulter's idiocy through satire of his own.

43 posted on 03/31/2007 2:43:37 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: EveningStar
Considering the source...no surprises. TalkReason.org is a web site to anti-creationsim/anti-Intelligent Design. In fact, that is the only reason the site exists.

From their site (notice the openness to debate and discussion of the issues)

Call for Papers

TalkReason provides a forum for the publication of papers with well-thought out arguments against creationism, intelligent design, and religious apologetics.

Papers whose goal is to promote creationism, Intelligent Design, irreducible complexity, the compatibility of the Bible with science, and religious apologetics, exegesis or papers arguing against established scientific theories such as the evolution theory will not be accepted.

44 posted on 03/31/2007 2:45:52 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

I'd never heard of this site until today. I saw this posted at another board and thought that people here would be interested in it.

The article was originally published by Skeptical Inquirer.


45 posted on 03/31/2007 2:49:47 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: LiteKeeper
From their site (notice the openness to debate and discussion of the issues)

Gosh, how shocking and evil - a website devoted to promoting a certain point of view.

So I'm guessing if I send papers promoting evolution to http://www.answersingenesis.org they'll be happy to publish them?

46 posted on 03/31/2007 2:52:10 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: EveningStar
I happen to be an odd breed myself, apparently.

I'll actually read a book before I'll go out on a limb and make comments about it. Despite my busy schedule, I had read the entire book during the first week that it was available.

A number of FReepers last Summer were chastising Ann Coulter for expressing her opinions on this matter clearly without ever having read what she wrote.

Anyhow, Ann was not being tongue in cheek with her sections on Evolutionary Theory being taught as if it were Scientific fact in schools.

She was calling people out to defend their views.

Most of the FReepers who disagreed with her back in those threads had obviously not read her book. That was where the irony truly was. People made up their minds without viewing all of the evidence.

47 posted on 03/31/2007 2:54:29 PM PDT by Radix (Reasonable people often can and do disagree.)
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To: WOSG
we can believe in God and evolution at the same time

I never understood the either-or philosophy either.

48 posted on 03/31/2007 2:57:45 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Screamname
Sure you can do DNA tests and find similarities, but in the end it all comes down to having humans suddenly appearing out of seemingly nowhere with these incredible inventive genius minds.

I think it's a matter of -- for lack of a better term -- a tipping point. Once the complexity of the brain a certain group of primates reached a certain point, a whole range of mental abilities -- including, perhaps, something to do with the soul -- developed.

49 posted on 03/31/2007 3:00:19 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (WWGD -- What would Groucho do?)
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To: EveningStar
[ What say all of you? ]

I'd say the leanest meanest RINO exposer of all time..
Exposed another one..

50 posted on 03/31/2007 3:01:42 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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