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Summation of Virginia Tech killer's ties to Islam
Various links listed within ^ | 1/19/07 | Dangus

Posted on 04/19/2007 4:47:03 AM PDT by dangus

The following are ties Cho had to Islam. They are not offered as proof of anything, but merely to prompt consideration or disproof of any links.

Cho’s father lived in Saudi Arabia as a young, single man. His sister works for a State Department contractor which oversees billions of dollars of aid for Iraq. Previously, she worked in Bangkok. (1)

Both of Cho’s plays are about sexual abuse. (2) Bangkok is a city famous for its sex trade, which caters especially to Muslim businessmen.

Cho’s rampage was on Holocaust Remembrance day. Although probably a happenstance, one of the professors he killed was a Jewish holocaust survivor. (3)

Cho used the pseudonym Ismael Ax. Ismael (or, Ismail) is the son of Abraham who became the ancestor of all Arabs, as opposed to Israel who became ancestor of all Jews (4). Although there are many Western references to this person, and many literary characters named “Ishmael,” that spelling is Hebraic. “Ismael” or “Ismail” is uniquely Arabic. Ismaili is also a branch of Shiite Islam (5)

In each play, Cho’s characters rant about the horrible decadence of American life. Targets include McDonalds, the Roman Catholic church, Michael Jackson and the NFL. (2).

Cho is from Fairfax County, Virginia. This is also the home of 1 in 8 Virginians, but it is also the home of Yong Ki Kwon, a 29-year-old graduate of Virginia Tech, who, like Cho, is also from South Korea. Kwon was convicted of terrorism, one of the so-called “paintball Jihadis,” who practiced massacres with paintball guns. (6)

(1) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819852/posts

(2) http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

(3) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819826/posts

(4) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819689/posts

(5) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1819044/posts

(6) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819029/posts


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KEYWORDS: dangus; islam; ismailax; vatech; virginiatech; vt; waronterror; wot
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1 posted on 04/19/2007 4:47:04 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Could be he was a non-Islam-motivated fruitcake.


2 posted on 04/19/2007 4:51:23 AM PDT by gridlock (On January 20, 2009, Fred Dalton Thompson will be sworn in as President of the United States.)
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To: dangus
Appreciated.

Personal opinion: a lot of the things seem to be a stretch, but they are things to consider.

P.S. Kudos on pointing out parts which could be extrapolations--i.e. 1 in 8 Virginians live in Fairfax County, and trying to give both sides of the story even when one side doesn't support your view.

3 posted on 04/19/2007 4:53:59 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: dangus

Oh, good grief these are ‘ties to islam’ if you are playing seven degrees of separation. As such, we all have ‘ties to islam’.


4 posted on 04/19/2007 4:54:42 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (why isn't madman good enough?)
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To: dangus

We must also start considering the ties between radical Islam and mental illness. Why did it attract Osama Bin Laden, for example, and not the rest of his family?


5 posted on 04/19/2007 4:55:54 AM PDT by H.Akston (Jihad - my struggle - mien kampf.)
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To: dangus

such an imagination! This lunacy is worthy of Michael Moore et.al.
how do you sleep at night knowing that muslims also sleep horizontal?


6 posted on 04/19/2007 4:57:16 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: dangus

There’s no doubt at all that some of his rantings were violent, hate filled, always blame others, victimhood above reason, similar to the violent, hate filled, always blame others, victimhood above reason of muslims.


7 posted on 04/19/2007 4:57:47 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: camle

They do?

Are you SURE???


8 posted on 04/19/2007 4:59:11 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: dangus
In other words.....

There are no Cho ties to islam.

9 posted on 04/19/2007 4:59:23 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: dangus

He also said he had terror in his heart.
We will find out when his writings are released.

Pray for W and Our Troops


10 posted on 04/19/2007 5:02:31 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: wtc911

“There are no Cho ties to islam.”

Other than the Islamic name on his arm, that is.


11 posted on 04/19/2007 5:02:38 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: dangus

He also made a “martyr taps,” we haven’t seen the whole thing yet.


12 posted on 04/19/2007 5:03:23 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: camle
Look at it this way, I bet every single point he raised has a team of FBI investigators looking into it.

If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck it usually is a duck, but enough times it isn't that you have to think about alternates anyway.

13 posted on 04/19/2007 5:03:28 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

Paul is dead.


14 posted on 04/19/2007 5:03:33 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: camle
how do you sleep at night knowing that muslims also sleep horizontal?

Propped up against a tree trunk clutching my weapon, of course!

15 posted on 04/19/2007 5:03:53 AM PDT by gridlock (On January 20, 2009, Fred Dalton Thompson will be sworn in as President of the United States.)
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To: dangus

I know you may have tried to imply this, but just for clarity:

The line is Abraham > Isaac > Jacob (Israel).

Isaac and Ishmael were brothers.

Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons (12 tribes).


16 posted on 04/19/2007 5:03:59 AM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: dangus

Go over to jihadwatch.com. Robert Spencer points out that the online jihadists are applauding Cho as if he’s on of their own, and have even given him honorary moslem names.


17 posted on 04/19/2007 5:06:15 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: dangus

Here is some more interesting research on bread.

1: More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread eaters.

2: Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.

3: In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever and influenza ravaged whole nations.

4: More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.

5: Bread is made from a substance called “dough.” It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!

6: Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low occurrence of cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s disease and osteoporosis.

7: Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after only two days.

8: Bread is often a “gateway” food item, leading the user to “harder” items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter and even cold cuts.

9: Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.

10: Newborn babies can choke on bread.

11: Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.

12: Most American bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.


18 posted on 04/19/2007 5:06:17 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Nappy is the new N-word.)
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To: gridlock

As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...

Could be he was a non-Islam-motivated fruitcake.

Same thought here.


19 posted on 04/19/2007 5:07:03 AM PDT by Badeye (The worst thing in the world is being talked about. The Second worst is not being talked about.)
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To: dangus

Like Islam itself, Cho was a nihilistic and self-absorbed loser.


20 posted on 04/19/2007 5:07:27 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: wtc911

This way to the Egress


21 posted on 04/19/2007 5:07:46 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: gridlock

Osama Bin Laden -12 letters

Cho Seung-hui -12 letters... (okay, if you count the hyphen)


22 posted on 04/19/2007 5:09:31 AM PDT by Hatteras (I'm a sweetheart, genius, a reckless jerk. Lord have mercy, I'm a piece of work...)
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To: dangus

23 posted on 04/19/2007 5:09:39 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

I love that bread “study!”

Of course, correlation does not mean causation; however, it is nice to lay out what is known and let facts, logic, and reason take us wherever it may. This is how DanRatherCBSNews was exposed as a fraud in the Bush-National Guard flap.


24 posted on 04/19/2007 5:13:20 AM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: dangus

I’m embarrassed for you.


25 posted on 04/19/2007 5:13:43 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Wormwood

PT was right...there is one born every minute.


26 posted on 04/19/2007 5:15:49 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: dangus

Interesting - thank you.


27 posted on 04/19/2007 5:19:18 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Anti Islam and a Global Warming denier - piss on Islam)
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To: dangus

All of the above is baseless and without merit.

I live next to Va, and I have heard about VT.

I have seen a paitball gun.

I know two Muslims.

I have seen terrorists on TV.


28 posted on 04/19/2007 5:21:21 AM PDT by stockpirate (Congress should MANDATE the right to carry concealed weapons in ALL schools.)
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
You forgot the high carb count in bread.
29 posted on 04/19/2007 5:24:29 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: dangus; gridlock; Jedi Master Pikachu; Trust but Verify; H.Akston; camle; tkathy; ...

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=041807B


30 posted on 04/19/2007 5:25:20 AM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: dangus
My friend’s cousin’s ex-brother-in-law had a baby sitter whose dad’s boss spent 5 years in Egypt as a shower curtain ring distributer.

I need to choose my friends more wisely.

31 posted on 04/19/2007 5:26:19 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: wtc911
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November 22, 1963

32 posted on 04/19/2007 5:26:52 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: dangus

Needs to be in sidebar!! Good info! PLUS he shaved his head right before.


33 posted on 04/19/2007 5:27:03 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Wormwood

Stop it.


34 posted on 04/19/2007 5:28:01 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy
I see they got to you as well.

The Truth™ is out there!

35 posted on 04/19/2007 5:28:42 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: Trust but Verify

>> As such, we all have ‘ties to islam’. <<

The questions are: How many? How strong? And are there any counter-indicators?


36 posted on 04/19/2007 5:28:53 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Verloona Ti

No thanks.


37 posted on 04/19/2007 5:30:44 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (why isn't madman good enough?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

>> Kudos on ... trying to give both sides of the story even when one side doesn’t support your view. <<

Thanks, but I’m not trying to support a given conclusion. I’ve seen data which prompts me to wonder, and my goal is to find out whether my supposition is well-founded.


38 posted on 04/19/2007 5:31:12 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

All that will be suppressed, because he hated the Roman Catholic church. The media will now begin to find excuses for him.


39 posted on 04/19/2007 5:32:00 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: camle

>> such an imagination! This lunacy is worthy of Michael Moore et.al.
how do you sleep at night knowing that muslims also sleep horizontal? <<

Except the following is not a mere P.C. disclaimer, but my sincere inclination:

>> They are not offered as proof of anything, but merely to prompt consideration or disproof of any links. <<

Hyperbole and name-calling do not contribute anything to the discussion.


40 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: gridlock

I do think the Islam connection needs to be investigated—Islamic pseudonym, Holocaust Remembrance Day, anti_American rants, etc., but my assumption is it will turn out to be something his sick mind latched onto as a way of expressing whatever demons and evil were driving him.


41 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:26 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: dangus
The questions are: How many? How strong? And are there any counter-indicators?

Yes, there are counter-indicators. He was NUTS. Severely MENTALLY ILL. Everything evil is not because of Islam. Everyone evil is not a terrorist.

42 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:44 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Why isn't madman good enough?)
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To: Peter W. Kessler; camle

>> how do you sleep at night knowing that muslims also sleep horizontal? <<
>> They do? Are you SURE??? <<

See, Camle, I’d never have suggested that they hang upside down to sleep, for instance...


43 posted on 04/19/2007 5:35:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
AND - AND - In one of Cho’s video rants - he says he has done this for “his brothers and sisters and children of...” and then the news bleeps it out. His lips looks like he is saying “ISLAM!”

BUT WHY DID THE NEWS BLEEP IT OUT? ALSO, NOW THE NEWS ALSO MAKE FUZZY HIS MOUTH...SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT - WHY ARE THEY WITHHOLDING THIS INFO?????

44 posted on 04/19/2007 5:35:55 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: MilesVeritatis

Thanks. Actually, looking back, I did kind of flub what I said about Israel and Ismael.


45 posted on 04/19/2007 5:36:41 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Ok, now that IS funny.


46 posted on 04/19/2007 5:38:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

As a certified Jewish conspirator on the leading edge of the anti-jihad, I have a better explanation: HE WAS BATS**T CRAZY.


47 posted on 04/19/2007 5:38:45 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: TSchmereL

There is no doubt that the mindless victimhood mindset of the left will encourage more and more of this grievance theater. The right would do well to develop slogans blaming the liberal mindset for this (something the wussie right can’t seem to do)


48 posted on 04/19/2007 5:40:10 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: TigersEye

See I told you so ping


49 posted on 04/19/2007 5:40:52 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: dangus
Sure he was influenced by jihadist behavior... just look at his videos and the need for a 'manifesto'. But unless you can prove he frequented mosques... all you're left with was that he was...

CRIMINALLY INSANE.

50 posted on 04/19/2007 5:41:07 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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