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Can the G.O.P. Accept Giuliani’s Abortion Stance?
New York Times ^ | May 11, 2007 | By ROBIN TONER

Posted on 05/10/2007 8:37:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

It is one of the enduring features of the modern Republican Party: Since the rise of Ronald Reagan and the empowerment of the social conservatives, the party has formally stood in firm opposition to a constitutional right to abortion and the Supreme Court decision that established it.

Yes, there were always Republicans who broke with party orthodoxy on the issue, from New England moderates like Senator Olympia J. Snowe of Maine to pragmatists like Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California. But the party’s platform, if anything, grew less pliant on abortion over the years. And the party invariably nominated presidential candidates who embraced, rather than challenged, the full “pro life” position. (Just as the Democrats did, on the “pro choice” side.)

Now, with Rudolph W. Giuliani one of the front-runners for the Republican nomination, the question inevitably arises: Is the party moving on this issue, ready for more flexibility? Can a supporter of abortion rights, even one with caveats and qualifications, make it to the top of the Republican Party in 2008?

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In the past, such a position brought a quick and determined push back from the party’s social conservatives. Candidates lacking strong anti-abortion credentials, in fact, rarely made it to the top tier. Party moderates regularly tried over the years to soften the Republican platform, and were just as regularly beaten back.

The Republican abortion plank endured: “The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed,” and the party is committed to supporting the appointment of judges “who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; elections; giuliani; no; prolife
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To: Jim Robinson

The only way I’d vote for him is if he wins the GOP nomination and is running against Hill/Edwards/Obama/Richardson. Then, I’ll hold my nose and vote for the liberal republican.

Perhaps, Guiliani should try to recruit Fred or Duncan as a running mate. To offset his liberal morals.


21 posted on 05/10/2007 8:49:19 PM PDT by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: Jim Robinson

Abortion, it’s just murder.


22 posted on 05/10/2007 8:49:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I can understand a pragmatic position that outlawing abortion (by passing state laws) is unwise. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it.

I do not understand, and I can never accept, a view that there is a "right" to abortion which is guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

23 posted on 05/10/2007 8:49:51 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not this Republican sir!


24 posted on 05/10/2007 8:50:21 PM PDT by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: Incorrigible

25 posted on 05/10/2007 8:50:32 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ummmm. NOPE

The constant dithering since Reagan means that our top contender (Rudy, McLame, Romney) candidates are ALL pro aborts of one degree or another.

If the Republican Party CAN "accept" any of these pro aborts as the nominee, it won't be doing it with my vote.

26 posted on 05/10/2007 8:50:44 PM PDT by f150sound
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To: Jim Robinson
The GOP cannot survive a Giuliani.

If the GOP nominates Giuliani, then it is already dead.

Time to cover it up with dirt.

27 posted on 05/10/2007 8:53:35 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Jim Robinson
You make the call:

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28 posted on 05/10/2007 8:53:46 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not a snow balls chance in hell.


29 posted on 05/10/2007 8:54:46 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I can’t accept his Second Amendment stance. Therefore Giuliani will never get my vote. Not even in the general election.
30 posted on 05/10/2007 8:54:58 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“If Mr. Giuliani endures, in short, he will be bucking an awful lot of history.”

And we know he won’t. It needs to be painful enough that another Liberal that wants to try the same stunt in the future, will quickly erase that thought and bring themselves back to failed attempt!


31 posted on 05/10/2007 8:56:35 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Jim Noble
I do not understand, and I can never accept, a view that there is a "right" to abortion which is guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

That's because the Constitution guarantees no such thing. Of course, the Constitution itself is unable to grant rights; we have those given to us by our Creator; the Constitution merely lists some of them so that the government can't infringe upon them.

Government is instituted among men, deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed so that the government can prevent the infringement of liberties and rights. One of these is the right to live, and therefore the govt is bound to protect the right to live of unborn children. So not only does our Constitution not grant any such right to abortion, our govt should be stopping it. At the federal level no less.
32 posted on 05/10/2007 8:57:17 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: jedward

to failed = to this failed attempt


33 posted on 05/10/2007 8:57:21 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Jim Robinson
No.

Many accuse many others of being "single issue" voters.

Quantitatively, abortion is what is known in statistics as an "outlier". The act itself is so repulsive, so extreme, so harmful to mother and (of course) child, and so destructive to our collective respect for all human life that its weighting among the various issues skews the results of the political scale. Those who clamor for the WOT as the single issue need to realize that the ideals laid out in our seminal Declaration of Independence - right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness - are precisely the ideals that make America worth fighting for in the first place. To vacillate on the objects of those rights is to undermine original intent and bring in precisely those less noble tendencies toward legalism that have, in recent years, shown themselves as a blight on the American identity in the form of frivolous lawsuits and twisting of the meaning of the law for personal gain. America's reputation for lawsuits has gained dubious international recognition.

Are those self-serving traits of the sort we wish to see further amplified? Are we as a people strong enough to keep a republic whose Constitution "was made only for a moral and religious people...wholly inadequate to the government of any other" (John Adams)?

34 posted on 05/10/2007 8:57:31 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: CindyDawg
I don’t know but if he wins it will be without my vote.

And mine. And someone should tell Robin Toner and her employers at the N.Y. Slimes that Rudy is also anti-gun, pro-gay marriage, and, if his personal behavior is any indication, pro-adultery. If the legal violent deaths of over 44 million babies since 1973 (not to mention the undemocratic, unconstitutional judicial arrogance reflected in Roe v. Wade) is not enough to deter social conservatives, they might consider some of these other issues.

35 posted on 05/10/2007 8:58:07 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Incorrigible

I could write a book, like most here, about my anti-abortion position, but Rudy would be better than H any day.
This seems to be about Rudy’s politics. His stupidity is a disappointment and it’s a deal-breaker.


36 posted on 05/10/2007 8:58:21 PM PDT by rljv
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To: Bullish
If the GOP nominates Giuliani, then it is already dead.

Yep.

37 posted on 05/10/2007 8:58:52 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: 50mm

I hope you don’t really mean that seriously.

Because that graph is garbage.


38 posted on 05/10/2007 9:00:26 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Lexinom

HEAR HEAR

and go Hunter!


39 posted on 05/10/2007 9:00:31 PM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: Jim Robinson

Double nope.


40 posted on 05/10/2007 9:00:34 PM PDT by BigFinn (isa 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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