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Can the G.O.P. Accept Giuliani’s Abortion Stance?
New York Times ^ | May 11, 2007 | By ROBIN TONER

Posted on 05/10/2007 8:37:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Numbers Guy
Wonder when Robin will write a similar article about the Democratic party and its reluctance to nominate a Presidential candidate who doesn’t toe their line on abortion.

Excellent point. Where was she in '92, when the Dems refused to allow pro-life Governor Casey to even speak at their convention.

41 posted on 05/10/2007 9:01:06 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Sweet Hour of Prayer

“Perhaps, Guiliani should try to recruit Fred or Duncan as a running mate. To offset his liberal morals.”

I still wouldn’t vote for him! A token V.P. slot doesn’t cover up the fact that Guilianni favors abortions. They could resurrect Reagan to run with him and I still wouldn’t vote for him! No way, no how, not ever! Even if it means Hillary would win. The GOP in that case would get exactly what they deserve and exactly what we keep warning them about.


42 posted on 05/10/2007 9:01:51 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

No, it’s not acceptable.


43 posted on 05/10/2007 9:06:40 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Jim Noble
I do not understand, and I can never accept, a view that there is a "right" to abortion which is guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

I have an idea:

What say we legalize Post Birth Abortion (PBA). We hurry up and abort all the liberals. Then we can outlaw all abortion with out any trouble.

Just an idea and I aint the first:


I think this is the greatest cartoon in the history of cartoons.

44 posted on 05/10/2007 9:06:49 PM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The next question would be, can the GOP survive Giuliani?”

I believe the Media would redefine Conservatism in the wake of a Republican/Giuliani ticket. The end result would not be in favor of true Conservatism and the GOP, thus relegating Conservatism to the lesser party status, or as we might as well state...the abyss.

I do not wear signs declaring the end of the World is near. Just don’t trust the leadership of the GOP that is in support of Moderate/Leftist direction under the assumption that is what will win in ‘08. I think they are dead wrong and a Conservative agenda is the real winning ticket.


45 posted on 05/10/2007 9:08:43 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Can the G.O.P. Accept Giuliani’s Abortion Stance?”

Rick Santorum will be sprinkling rock salt where hell froze over first!


46 posted on 05/10/2007 9:10:20 PM PDT by Grunthor (Forgive your enemies, it messes with their heads.)
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To: Sweet Hour of Prayer
The only way I’d vote for him is if he wins the GOP nomination and is running against Hill/Edwards/Obama/Richardson. Then, I’ll hold my nose and vote for the liberal republican.

Why would you think eight years of a liberal Republican and/or another Democrat would be better than four years of a liberal Democrat? It makes no sense, especially given that such a Presidency would result in the Republican party losing seats in Congress.

47 posted on 05/10/2007 9:12:02 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Lexinom; Jim Robinson
Many accuse many others of being "single issue" voters.

Which is an accusation that doesn't hold up in RG's case because with him it's not a single issue. It's about three: his abortion stance, his gun control stance, and his support of liberal judges when he was NY mayor.
48 posted on 05/10/2007 9:12:02 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: rljv
Rudy would be better than H any day.

It's better that a liberal Republican push through liberal legislation than Hillary? It's better to have eight years of a liberal in office than four of Hillary with a chance to elect a conservative? It's better to have a liberal Republican in the White House that will guarantee Republicans lose seats in Congress?

49 posted on 05/10/2007 9:14:39 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Tabi Katz
If the legal violent deaths of over 44 million babies since 1973 (not to mention the undemocratic, unconstitutional judicial arrogance reflected in Roe v. Wade) is not enough to deter social conservatives, they might consider some of these other issues.

Indeed. We've literally spent an entire generation getting the make up of the judiciary remade to something more favorable. If the dems and the RINOs think we won't fight to preserve that, they're dead wrong. In fact, I think that neither the dems nor the RINOs have any clue as to how long and how hard we are willing and able to fight for this.
50 posted on 05/10/2007 9:14:54 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: Ol' Sparky

I would write in Marx before voting for Rudie. Got to vote for the lesser of evils. This evil is dead so is automatically the lesser. Don’t like the thought. Don’t make me do it!


51 posted on 05/10/2007 9:18:26 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Bullish
I hope you don’t really mean that seriously.

The graph is my political position. I can make one for Rudy if you like.

52 posted on 05/10/2007 9:18:40 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: Jim Robinson
Can the G.O.P. Accept Giuliani’s Abortion Stance?

The G.O.P. of late has been way too pro Rino, so they might accept his stance on abortion.

Can the GOP survive Giuliani?

Absolutely no way. This next election imo is a turning point for America. Conservatives like myself are fed up with rino's and when they are like Rudy and not much different then a Democrat what is the point, a lesser of two evils is still evil. I will not be a part of voting for that.

Rudy is a liberal and the G.O.P. was not a liberal party when it flourished, it will kill it if it kisses up to Rudy.

53 posted on 05/10/2007 9:18:51 PM PDT by Brandie (I am for Duncan Hunter but then I am a Conservative.)
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To: do the dhue

“I think this is the greatest cartoon in the history of cartoons.”

One of my favorites ever.


54 posted on 05/10/2007 9:24:25 PM PDT by Grunthor (Forgive your enemies, it messes with their heads.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. No. And no.


55 posted on 05/10/2007 9:28:20 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Ol' Sparky

It’s better to have eight years of a liberal in office than four of Hillary with a chance to elect a conservative?

Huh?


56 posted on 05/10/2007 9:31:46 PM PDT by rljv
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To: Jim Robinson
"Is the party moving on this issue, ready for more flexibility?"

No, if anything this party is closer than it ever has been in years of reaching one of it's goals, overturning Roe vs. Wade. My preference is the Human Life Amendment, but overturning Roe vs. Wade would be a huge step.

Can a supporter of abortion rights, even one with caveats and qualifications, make it to the top of the Republican Party in 2008?"

No. I will fight as hard as I can to ensure this does not happen.

"Maybe, some analysts suggest, Republicans are willing to bend on abortion to get a nominee — Mr. Giuliani — who is appealing on other grounds, like fighting terrorism."

They fail to explain how he is appealing on terror. Just because he got rid of the squeegee men, kicked Arafat out of a concert, and did a good job on 9/11, really doesn't mean much. He is not near as versed on foreign policy as say Duncan Hunter.

This is a critical election. We need a conservative, not a liberal.

57 posted on 05/10/2007 11:07:23 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: Pinkbell

Amen.


58 posted on 05/10/2007 11:11:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: rljv

If Ghouliani is elected, it guarantees a conservative won’t be in the White House for eight years. If Hillary is elected, there is a chance a conservative could be in the White House in four years.


59 posted on 05/10/2007 11:11:46 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Jim Robinson

It depends who votes in the primaries. Alot of conservatives have checked out of politics. There have been a few rinos elected for governors lately.


60 posted on 05/10/2007 11:21:36 PM PDT by Brimack34
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