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San Francisco Proposes New Gun Control Measures
CBS 5 SAN FRANCISCO ^ | 16 MAY 2007 | AP

Posted on 05/16/2007 7:41:35 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(CBS 5) SAN FRANCISCO -- On Wednesday, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom announced a new round of gun control measures. The announcement comes nearly one year after a judge struck down a law banning handgun possession in San Francisco.

"In the last 24 months, just to give you perspective, we've taken more guns off the street than we have in the last decade," Newsom said.

A total of 2,262 guns since the crackdown began.

One part of the measure bans guns from any city owned property, not only in buildings like city hall, but also city parks.

Guns are already banned at some city buildings, such as schools.

Mayor Newsom hopes to extend the ban to public housing complexes, but federal laws make that complicated.

The proposed legislation would also require people who commit crimes with guns to sign up with the police department, then probation officers could keep better tabs on them.

Another aspect would require all gun owners to store their arms with a trigger lock or in a lock box. Authorities say lock boxes would help to keep legal guns from being stolen and then later used illegally.

The idea is to remind legal gun owners how to behave.

"Just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't mean that we're not going to walk into that home and check to see if you're being responsible and safe in the way that you conduct your affairs," District Attorney Kamala Harris said.

San Francisco's only gun shop is also a target. The proposed legislation would require it and any future gun shop to send the authorities a gun sales list every six months.

Even though criminals already don't follow the law, the mayor believes any gun crackdown makes the city safer.

"It is fair to say that a majority of gun crime is committed with illegal guns," Harris said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; gungrabbers; rkba; sanfrancisco; sanfranciscovalues; sodombythesea
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To: Gritty
Tell me again why these people shouldn't be labeled "Nazis"?

Cause they're communists.

81 posted on 05/17/2007 10:06:59 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: from occupied ga

“Actually she’s looking for the police to kick in your door and kill you if you resist while she sits in cowardly splendor in her taxpayer funded office.”

That is right. This sort of stuff will continue, just like Kelo property seizures, until the people losing their rights and property go after the folk making the decisions and not the police who carry out the policy.


82 posted on 05/17/2007 10:08:48 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: lowbridge; Gritty
Cause they're communists.

Nazi = National Socialist - just a slightly different flavor.

83 posted on 05/17/2007 10:09:42 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: lowbridge
How about this one...

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.

84 posted on 05/17/2007 10:28:24 AM PDT by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: from occupied ga

The only difference between the communists and the Nazis is that the communists murdered behind closed doors (and in larger numbers).


85 posted on 05/17/2007 10:29:29 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Believe it or not, Harris is actually a slight improvement over her predecessor, Communist labor lawyer and old school Leftist thug Terrence Hallinan.


86 posted on 05/17/2007 10:30:54 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: MortMan
How about this one...

--Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44:

I dunno. I wasn't at that Dinner party. I think my invitation got lost in the mails.

87 posted on 05/17/2007 10:31:38 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: lowbridge
The only difference between the communists and the Nazis is that the communists murdered behind closed doors (and in larger numbers).

Well then the local government falls into the commie camp, because they're trying to hide their agenda.

88 posted on 05/17/2007 10:36:14 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: lowbridge

Yeah... I didn’t even get invited.

I did a quick search to see if I could substantiate the “full gun control” quote, but came up empty except for a site that debunked it. The negative site may or may not be correct, but the lack of authoritative pedigree for the quote anywhere makes the quote pretty suspect.

The one I reproduced was the best of the lot that I saw in my quick search, and it at least has somewhat of a pedigree.

Have a good day, FRiend.


89 posted on 05/17/2007 10:37:20 AM PDT by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: Lurker

Anyone willing to so brazenly violate the Second Amendment is not going to care about the Fourth, either.


90 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:40 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: epow

Wow! Including even the streets and sidewalks which are government property?


91 posted on 05/17/2007 10:42:40 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: Jim Verdolini
This sort of stuff will continue, just like Kelo property seizures, until the people losing their rights and property go after the folk making the decisions and not the police who carry out the policy.

Neither one is blame free. The bureaucrats for doing this stuff and the police for carrying out their unconstitutional orders. "I was just following orders" was not an accepted defense even in wartime where the one not following orders could be shot. The worst that could happen to police who didn't follow orders is that they could lose their jobs.

92 posted on 05/17/2007 10:46:24 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: goldstategop
A Washington-style handgun ban. Unconstitutional under Parker. Eat THAT Newsome and Harris, San Faggotsco Democrat Thugs!

IANAL but as I understand it, since Parker was a decision by the DC circuit court, it only applies to that federal district. To apply nationally, it would need to be affirmed by the Supreme Court.

93 posted on 05/17/2007 10:52:54 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Portrait of a left wing, dumb-ass ho.


94 posted on 05/17/2007 12:59:54 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My Number One Goal in Life is to Leave a Bigger Carbon Foot Print Than Al Gore)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

and in Los Angeles because of a shortage of LAPD officers, Mayor Tony Vee wants to deal with Tijuana to have Mexico “loan” police officers to LAPD! Aaargh!!!


95 posted on 05/17/2007 3:41:00 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Mojave; paul51; brazzaville; y'all
brazzaville:
Leave if you feel that you must, but know that what they are doing in San Francisco today is coming to every state in the Union

I don't think so. Much of the country is moving in the opposite direction with respect to gun ownership
paul51

We're getting better about issuing permits to carry; - and that's it.
Even the new Parker decision in DC reiterates that State/local gov'ts have the power to "reasonably regulate, using community standards" the ownership & use of arms.

You can bet that SF considers their proposed new laws "reasonable regulations, using community standards".
And FR's expert on this subject, mojave/roscoe, can tell you why SF can ignore our Constitution.

96 posted on 05/17/2007 5:40:19 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: lowbridge
I think that Hitler quote turned out to be a phony

Thanks for the heads-up. I will seek confirmation of the quote.

97 posted on 05/17/2007 10:56:47 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

An old article archived:

The “Hitler” Quote That Wouldn’t Die: “1935 Will Go Down In History!”

“This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized
nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our
police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the
future!”

—falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, “Abschied vom Hessenland!”
[”Farewell to Hessia!”], [’Berlin Daily’ (Loose English Translation)],
April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann
[Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann]

This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all,
suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant
of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the
words “This year...” are replaced by “1935...”) has no correlation
with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration,
nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a
law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government
were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or_Waffengesetz_)
which further restricted the possession of militarily useful
weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued
license was passed on March 18, 1938.

The citation usually given for this quote is a jumbled mess,
and has only three major clues from which to work. The first is
the date, which does not correspond (even approximately) to a date
on which Hitler made a public speech, and a check of the texts of
Hitler’s speeches does not reveal a quotation resembling this
(which is easily understandable when you realize that “Hitler”
is commenting on a non-existent law). The second clue is the
newspaper reference, which if translated into German resembles the
title of a newspaper called _Berliner Tageblatt,_ and a check of
the issue for that date reveals that the page and column references
given are to the arts and culture page! No Hitler speech appears
in the pages of _Berliner Tageblatt_ on that date, or dates close
to it, because there was no such speech to report.

Finally,
the citation includes a proper name “Eberhard Beckmann,” which
is sometimes cited as “by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann,”
which is an important clue itself, because it reveals that the
citation was fabricated by someone who had so little knowledge of
the German language that they were unaware that “Einleitung”
isn’t the fellow’s first name! The only “Eberhard Beckmann”
which has been uncovered thus far did indeed write introductions,
but he was a journalist for a German broadcasting company after
WWII, and he wrote several introductions to_photography books,_
one of which was photos of the German state of Hesse (or Hessia),
which may be the source of the curious phrase “Abschied vom
Hessenland!” which appears in the citation. This quotation,
however effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud.

ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/faqs/talk-politics-guns/pro-gun-faq/part2


98 posted on 05/18/2007 9:48:46 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: lowbridge
I'm convinced. Thanks for the leg work.

The quote comes down.

99 posted on 05/18/2007 10:56:44 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: Howie66

San Francisco has become a third world dictatorship. Maybe they should hire Hugo to give them pointers.


100 posted on 05/18/2007 10:59:05 PM PDT by Brimack34
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