Posted on 05/18/2007 5:42:12 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
So you think the bar & restaurant owners lobbied for the smoking ban? What about the owners of the private clubs, did they lobby for the smoking ban?
Nope. Neither the bar owners nor the private clubs did it. --The officious whiny little nicotine-Nazis did it.
But instead of cowboy-ing up and start a petition drive or suing the state for lack of due process or putting in a outdoor patio or refusing service to a nonsmoker (they know who they are); they'd rather use the Russian solution and get the courts to drag private clubs down into the dirt with them.
Sell your car and turn off the power to your house.
The only way for you to not pollute the air is for you to die and be buried in a casket that won't let your rotting body release its fetid vapors to the atmosphere.
Feel free to do so.
Take back their rights?
WTF does that mean?
An armed invasion of the legislature?
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Take back their property ownership rights.
This will not end with smoking bans...
Kelo also has opened the flood gates on many aspects of ownership of property.
I’m having a real hard time seeing supposed Conservatives understanding these concepts and how they are connected.
“It’s for the Children” is really doing it’s charm on American rights - all of them.
This is not about smoking....
We smoke tobacco not what you apparently try to smoke.
Put the $hit down and grab a Camel.
Huh? You’re a little extreme, aren’t you there, bud?
That is a bit of an oversimplification, but in my expience has often been the case.
And once the bad law is passed those people should just roll over and die?
Not at all, fight to get the entire thing overturned, not force it upon others.
In this Ohio case I believe the bar owners who sued made a tactical error somewhere along the line.
Remember that the next time you start up your car.
Well you start “fighting back” by doing what is going on in Vegas.
They passed a food and smoke ban here.. so if you own a bar that serves food, you cant allow smoking (casinos are exempt).
Whats happening? Bars are flat out ignoring the ban.. and the health dept is flustered.
The dirty little secret of smoking bans is that they require COMPLIANCE to work. There is no smoking police. The enforcers cant be everywhere and pretty much, if you do as you please as an owner of a bar.. they are powerless to stop you.
The jerks in Vegas that passed this law are now learning that Vegas and its smokers will NOT BOW to big brother.
I agree, only way to get them overturned. These "pivate clubs" are in fact open to the public and compete for customers just like any other bar.
If the "others" are benefitting from the discriminatory law, they will fight your fixing it.
Force them into the net, too, and they will have no choice except to join forces with you in fighting it.
Here in Texas “private clubs” serve any and all that walk in the door. What is the “membership” requirement where you are at?
I agree, but the convenient conservatives can’t see that their efforts that support smoking bans are actually paving the way for the GW idiots. Both are dangerous.
That has never been my experience. From the get go in Delaware the private clubs were to be exempt from the ban, but they worked on the side of those it would hurt, and the bars did not try to get the private clubs included. There were a couple of rogue antis who tried, but they wre hushed up rather quickly.
Force them into the net, too, and they will have no choice except to join forces with you in fighting it.
Wrong approach. By forcing them into the net you wind up with resentment, not cooperation.
That's one opinion.
This constitutes proof that private clubs are not private.
When I speak of “private clubs” I’m primarily speaking of the ELks and Moose Lodges, VFW’s and American Legions.
Only members and guests may be served.
Not just opinion, but my personal experience, and the experience of many others I have worked with on this issue over the years.
Could private clubs ban all law enforcement from the premises without a search warrant, since they by definition "private" and not considered open to the public?
Yea we have them here, there serve EVERYONE, memership not required or checked.
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