Hannity asks Giuliani about amnesty [he's for it]

FOX News ^ | May 20, 2007 | Sean Hannity/Rudy Giuliani

[Jim Robinson]

~~big snip~~

HANNITY: Let me move to the issue that has come up again this week, and that's the issue of immigration. And as somebody that hosts a radio show for three hours a day, and we've got our show on FOX and now our Sunday show, I can tell you it is a defining issue for conservatives in their desire. — They want these borders controlled and they don't want amnesty in any way, shape, matter or form. And the consensus that keeps emerging is sort of amnesty-lite. They won't call it amnesty, but the feeling among conservatives is it is amnesty.

GIULIANI: Here's what we have to get done, and this comes from my expertise in security, law enforcement most of my life. I know that better than politics. I know security better than politics.

We have to know who's in the United States. We have to have a database in which we know who is here — everybody who is here from a foreign country. We need to know it so we can prevent Fort Dixes. I know Fort Dix didn't quite happen that way. But the next one could happen that way.

And we need to have a tamper-proof ID card. So now your policy — you have to set that. You've got to be clear about this. That's what we have to — so now you have to have a policy that gets you there.

We need to know everybody who's in the United States from a foreign country. You need a fence. You need an electronic fence. You need a physical fence. You need a Border Patrol that is bigger and trained in being able to spot people and stop people.

[don-o]

He was great on 9/11 but, he’s not the complete package.

It's time to unpack that statement, imo. What did he actually DO?

I know he gave press conferences. He attended funerals. That is what mayors and politicians of all sorts, do.

He was in the place at the time. That's about it, as far as I can recall.

[upsdriver]

Of course! I am talking about illegals also. I have no problem with folks coming here legally from anywhere. But it is really unfair to those who enter by the rules to give amnesty to those who willingly break our laws to get here.

[DanielLongo]

As I said (and I think we are agreeing on principle) the courts have to adjudicate every deportation case. Typically, they let the defendant (illegal) out on their own recognizance, knowing full well they will never come back. So, in this way, the courts do have a means of circumventing even the toughest policy. Congress, state or national, cannot write a law interfering with a judge's discretion. This has been attempted before with criminal legislation and mandatory sentencing and, of course, has always been found unconstitutional, by a judge, and sent back to congress to change the language. So, yes, the courts can, have, and will screw things up. They cannot, however, grant an illegal the right to work. This has already been vetted nationally in right to work cases seeking to circumvent union strangle holds. Anyway, my point is: no jobs/no illegals. This kind of legislation should be expanded to homeowners as well. Though more difficult, there should be a way of policing the labor force in affluent areas as well to purge the use of illegals.

[DanielLongo]

I believe you misunderstood him. The biometric cards he referred to were for legal, alien residents who had a right to work in this country. It is a means of tracking those who are here legally and can determine their eligibility for work and the time expiration on that privilege. Guliani and McCain are for worker id’s for all “illegal” alien residents as a means of identification and tracking. There is a huge gulf between the two scenarios. One deals with “legal” aliens and the other with “illegal” aliens. Romney wants the cards so that employers can tell the difference between the two. Kindly, look at it again and I think you will see where you were mistaken.

[Beagle8U]

Read the transcript. He was talking in the same context as Rooty on the ID cards.

Unless everyone has to have one its a worthless idea.

[dirtboy]

The biometric cards he referred to were for legal, alien residents who had a right to work in this country. It is a means of tracking those who are here legally and can determine their eligibility for work and the time expiration on that privilege

So tell us - how do you tell apart someone who does not have a card and doesn't need one from someone who should have a card but it's expired?

These cards only work if everyone has one. And that's Rudy's intent here.

[DanielLongo]

We, as citizens, already have several cards. Of course an illegal alien can counterfeit a SS# and a driver's license but they can do that because there is no system for employers to validate against the biometric information. That is Romney's point. If someone walks in with green eyes and stands 4'11 inches and their driver's license information comes back from the state as saying they are brown eyed and stand 6'1", there is a problem. See, the alien can counterfeit the card, but not the biometric information in the state or national database. They can make all the cards they want, but they won't be any good. As it is now, all they have to do is present the documentation that is "required" under law, but the employer doesn't have to verify it against anything. Furthermore, if you have a license/SS# that is being used by multiple workers, the letter goes out to the employer to gather more information. I would think that any innocent citizen would appreciate some level of law enforcement to enter in at this point to see that their identity is protected. It doesn't have to be a SWAT team, just a little follow up by local authorities. Again, Romney's point is the card is to be used to identify "legal" status, not to grant legality to otherwise "illegal" aliens. I think that is what we are asking for. If they are illegal, they get ejected. If they are legal, we joke with them in the break room and call them friends.

[NucSubs]

I’ll agree as soon as I see a stake driven through the heart of his campaign. Same here brother.

[NucSubs]

Pesto rocks.

:-)

And it certainly is not dead...nor is it “90’s” culture.

[Spiff]

I SOOOO sick of him weaseling on every question. When the hell is Rudy going to answer whether he supports the SPECIFIC legislation being considered? And if he, if elected president, would sign into law anything like it?

You and I already know the answer to this question. Conservatives CAN NOT let Rudy get away with trying to duck away from this issue that is so hot right now. We need to nail him on it and use the anger Republicans have against the legislation and turn it against Giuliani's candidacy to further sink his chances of gaining the nomination.

[Kevmo]

Thanks, VNS.

If memory serves correctly, Spiff was instrumental in the startup phase of the Minutemen. What do you think of this idea, Spiff?

Oh, and if I was wrong about the Minuteman project, please let me know.

[Spiff]

There's already a few lawyers (far too few) who are exploring the RICO angle against employers of illegal aliens. It's an uphill battle, but so far they've been somewhat successful. I've not heard of anyone going with the wrongful death or injury angle and it is certain a good idea that needs to be explored.

I'll see if I can get the name of one of the attorneys that I've met who was busy filing RICO suits against employers of illegal aliens. Maybe this is something to talk to him about.

As for me being part of organizing the Minuteman Project, besides me knowing the organizers before the project came to be, helping out doing registration on the first CHAOTIC day, and being a MMP volunteer myself, I did no organizing of the MMP.

[Spiff]

The attorney that I met at an illegal immigration conference that is pursuing RICO suits against employers of illegal aliens is Howard Foster. Maybe this is an idea you might want to discuss with him.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Wrongful death, and other types of CIVIL suits against the employers of illegal aliens who commit harmful acts against US Citizens.......put these facilitators, enablers, and BENEFICIARIES of the illegal presence of these criminals in front of a civil jury......this would remove the political patsy prosecutors from the equation!

[Kitty Mittens]

Lol! That picture is Perfect!

[AuntB]

Ron Paul is against amnesty, in fact he’s against citizenship for anchor babies. Ron Paul, and most of us are better republicans than Rudy G.

Why then, has he never put forth one piece of legislation in all his years in congress to deal with the problem?

[Antoninus]

This guy’s poll numbers can’t fall fast enough....

[Beagle8U]

“Again, Romney’s point is the card is to be used to identify “legal” status, not to grant legality to otherwise “illegal” aliens. I think that is what we are asking for. If they are illegal, they get ejected. If they are legal, we joke with them in the break room and call them friends.”

Again, read the transcript. He, just like Rooty, said the cards wouldn’t be needed by legal citizens.

That would make them worthless because the courts wont allow profiling to ask only Hispanics or Arabs for the ID cards.
In attempting to pander to libertarians they both want to pretend the cards would cut down on illegals without pi$$ing anyone off.

Its a worthless plan if everyone don’t have to have an ID card proving their legal status.

The only way to stop the illegals is a double fence topped with razor wire and a tamper proof ID card for EVERYONE before they can work or rent anywhere in the US.

$10,000.00 fine for hiring an illegal and 90 days in jail for a 2nd offense added to the fine.

Charge any elected official with a felony if they attempt to bypass the law with sanctuary cities like Rooty did.

No welfare, no free schooling, no nothing. They will all go home.

[Kevmo]

Thanks, Spiff. I sent him some correspondence.

If anyone else knows of other law firms engaged in RICO lawsuits for wrongful injury, please let me know. If we get some responses, I’ll go ahead and post a vanity thread.

[Ol' Sparky]

Now, Hannity is praising Ghouliani for coming out and opposing the amnesty bill, despite this comments and despite Ghouliani's record on illegal immigration. Hannity is absolute disgrace.

RINO Rudy's record on the issue:

Illegal immigration/Immigration Immigration politics have similarly harmed New York. Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city’s sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to “terrorize people.” Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa-overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history.

New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.

Source: Heather Mac Donald

CNN clip:

Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

The New York Immigrant Coalition Press Release, August, 1989:

Rudy would continue to make city services available to all immigrants, regardless of immigration status.

Prohibit city workers from reporting undocumented immigrants to the INS, unless criminal activity is involved….

Make sure that city workers understand what benefits immigrants are entitled to….

Encourage outreach to immigrant communities to encourage their utilization of city services….

Support the use of interpreters and translators in city government

Support bilingual and bicultural education with goals of learning fluent English and maintaining native language skills….

Oppose making English the “official language” of the U.S.

Support adding alienage to protected class under City’s Human rights Law.

Additionally, he has supported Bush's guest worker program.

Welfare Reform

Rudy's Welfare Plea (Fought to keep immigrants on welfare.)

New York Daily News (via LexisNexis) ^ | 03/21/1997 | Joel Siegel

Mayor Giuliani took his advocacy for immigrants to Congress yesterday, trying to derail the planned August cut-off of federal welfare benefits to legal immigrants including more than 135,000 in New York City.

He said the abrupt end of food stamps and Supplemental Security Income payments would inflict severe and unfair hardships on legal immigrants and impose financial pain on cities like New York that will be forced to step in and help those who lose aid.

The cut-off was a key provision of the sweeping federal welfare reform approved last summer. Some immigrants will begin losing their benefits in June, with all benefits to be halted by Aug. 22.

"All of these people would [lose assistance] all at once, not phased in, not done in some kind of sensible way in which citizens and states could assess, 'How do we replace these benefits?' " Giuliani said.