Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
Platforms. Plural. Both the Breckenridge and Douglas factions ran on their own platform so reconcilliation wasn't a factor.
I'll gladly change my mind, given compelling evidence and a lucid argument. A cut and paste of an essay, with no input from the poster won't generally cut it.
Please point out where I stated it was ‘enough to cause secession’.
Post #239.
Non Seq: ‘Had the South done that [freed the slaves] what would they have had to secede over in the first place?’
Badeye: "States Rights, primarily."
Yep, the north has integrated so very well. Boston, Chicago, Philly, are all bastions of integration. No segregated areas at all in the northern cities and racial harmony truly prevails. Get off your high horse.
did you see anything like that posted by me you dip....?
Great video - thanks!
Take your time. It's waited 140 years to resolve, so I doubt another day will change things. Thanks for the civil discourse so far.
Only if you think the entire war was fought in Northern Virginia. In the Western theater from Kentucky to New Orleans, the Confederates were second to none in fielding incompetent commanders.
The big difference is that Lincoln canned the incompetents while Jeff Davis tended to just shuffle them around.
Lynryd Skynryd.
"States Rights, which prior to 1860 had been as important a part of northern beliefs as southern, were overturned."
~ Dean Sprague, Freedom Under Lincoln, p. 300
It gives me a warm feeling all over knowing my great grandpappy's wagons accompanied Sherman's boys on their march to the sea, but I doubt it was as warm of a feeling as the Confederate slave owners had when the Yankees burned down their plantations. :)
Damn, I knew I should’ve stopped by the Dixie Outfitters store in Lynchburg, VA on my way back down to North Carolina this afternoon!
}:-)4
After the Dred Scott decision, the states pretty much lost control over any decision over slavery inside their borders. Scott said among other things,
1. The Northwest Ordnance was unconstitutional (complete historical nonsense)
2. that individual state's personal liberty laws were trumped by the Constitution's provision requiring return of runaways (probably constitutionally correct, but something you think "States Rights" fundamentalists would have a problem with.)
3. That blacks (free or slave) were not people as defined in the Constitution and had no rights in any court in the land (Federal or State).
The "intent" in Scott was to protect slavery in any federal territory. But reading Scott, there is nothing that would have prevented a slave owner from taking his slaves into a free state and setting up shop there.
As Lincoln said in the House Divided speech, we were destined to become all one thing, or all to other.
I think "Confederate riffraff" is a good term for the people who would so welcome home a patriotic American soldier:
Uriah York was the son of John York of North Carolina. Uriah settled in the Pall Mall area of Fentress County, Tennessee. Uriah fought with Winfield Scott in the Mexican War at the Battle of Chapultepec. In 1863 he went north to Kentucky and joined Union forces there. He returned home after contracting the measles. Confederate forces in the area sought to capture him upon his return, but Uriah heard of their coming and hid himself and horses in a canebrake. Uriah evaded his pursuers, but contracted pneumonia from the exposure and died days later. His son, William York, married Mary Brooks and gave birth to Alvin C. York, the WWI hero and greatest infantryman this country has known.
I'm glad that Alvin got a more positive reception home. We can thank the defeat of the rebellion for that.
If the triumph of Lincoln and the Union was a great day for all Americans, it was even greater for the large number of Unionists in Tennessee who were forever liberated from the tyranny of the pro-slavery power.
I have two ancestors from North Carolina who were abolitionist Quakers. They joined a Union regiment of Carolinians. After the War they migrated north to Indiana, where they were active in the Grand Army of the Republic.
And Given that the Northwest Ordinance was the creation of the Founding generation, I'd take their opinion of matters a lot more seriously than that of Roger Taney and the Democratic hotheads of secession.
You mean like the Selfridge guy who kept sinking boats, but made Admiral?
There was a lot of independent people of high ideals in the South who overcame great hardships to even reach the US Army.
In contrast to the mass of more reluctant southerners conscripted into the Confederate army, these dedicated men did not desert in large numbers when the going got tough.
Nothing in that indicates to me he was incompetent and it does not appear that Lincoln made him an Admiral or was even aware that the guy existed. He didn't reach flag rank until many years after the war.
You need to look into the demographics of all those blue areas. You are proving our point, but you don’t know enough about the South to understand it.
Most Union support in the South came from higher ground. Those areas provided most of what Republican votes there were during the era of the Solid South.
You forgot the hoe cake.
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