What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":

The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

[Rebeleye]

...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

[catfish1957]

Good point, Sherman deserves every ounce of disdain of the past 140 years. I hope Satan is giving him a hot coal enema right now.

[Non-Sequitur]

The Constitution?

What section? Article I, Section 8 says that only Congress exercises control over federal property like forts and therefore only Congress could agree to part with it. What part of the Constitution overrode that?

[Non-Sequitur]

The southern states were trying to secede from the constitution en masse, not resist the established government. Your definition of rebellion works better with a street riot. Another liberal, Wlat, had a bad habit of trying to shoehorn his own definitions into the debate as well.

Since their acts of unilateral secession were illegal then their conduct bore a resemblence to a street riot.

[Non-Sequitur]

Of course South Carolina had claim to Ft. Sumter

No, they did not. The operative legislation read as follows:

COMMITTEE ON FEDERAL RELATIONS
In the House of Representatives, December 31st, 1836

The Committee on Federal relations, to which was referred the Governor’s message, relating to the site of Fort Sumter, in the harbour of Charleston, and the report of the Committee on Federal Relations from the Senate on the same subject, beg leave to Report by Resolution:

Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory, Provided, That all processes, civil and criminal issued under the authority of this State, or any officer thereof, shall and may be served and executed upon the same, and any person there being who may be implicated by law; and that the said land, site and structures enumerated, shall be forever exempt from liability to pay any tax to this state.

Also resolved: That the State shall extinguish the claim, if any valid claim there be, of any individuals under the authority of this State, to the land hereby ceded.

Also resolved: That the Attorney-General be instructed to investigate the claims of Wm. Laval and others to the site of Fort Sumter, and adjacent land contiguous thereto; and if he shall be of the opinion that these parties have a legal title to the said land, that Generals Hamilton and Hayne and James L. Pringle, Thomas Bennett and Ker. Boyce, Esquires, be appointed Commissioners on behalf of the State, to appraise the value thereof. If the Attorney-General should be of the opinion that the said title is not legal and valid, that he proceed by seire facius of other proper legal proceedings to have the same avoided; and that the Attorney-General and the said Commissioners report to the Legislature at its next session.

Resolved, That this House to agree. Ordered that it be sent to the Senate for concurrence. By order of the House:
T. W. GLOVER, C. H. R.

IN SENATE, December 21st, 1836
Resolved, that the Senate do concur. Ordered that it be returned to the House of Representatives, By order:
JACOB WARLY, C. S.

You didn't give a date for the South Carolina legislation you quoted, but if you look it up I believe you will find that the three year period you spoke of expired before the construction of Sumter was ever proposed.

[catfish1957]

If we are throwing "what if's"

Think how much the western theatre would have changed if Johnston would not have been killed at Shiloh. Most battle experts believe without that event the results would not have been a stalemate. i.e. dominoeing to Vicksburg, etc. etc.

[Non-Sequitur]

“There appear to be more haters of the South these days. I was young during the centennial of the Civil War (or War of Northern Aggression) and there wasn’t the ill will that you see today.”

So you complain about South haters and use that tired old term "War of Northern Aggression"? Don't you just love the irony in that?

[Non-Sequitur]

Impressive, if you like that sort of thing.

That's the second one. Am I the only one that finds it odd that someone wouldn't be interested in museums, theaters, concerts, or restaurants? Nobody's telling you to live there. Hell, I wouldn't want to live there either. But to consider all that New York has to offer to be totally worthless and not worth visiting just baffles me. By my way of thinking New York is second only to my own home town of Chicago in interesting things to do.

Maybe what they say is true? The difference between yogurt and the South is that yogurt has a living culture.

[Shimmer128]

Thanks Jasper! That IS how we do it in Dixie isn't it.

I tell you what, a good ole boy with a drawl and boots and a cowboy hat and a pickup just turns me on like a light. whooeee!

[Ditto]

Nevertheless, they did proceed to secede.

No, they Rebelled! If Davis was a traitor, why was he never charged?

He was charged. With the passage of the The 14th Amendment punishing all confederate leaders, the charges against him were dropped because of double jeopardy.

[MamaTexan]

The South Shall Rise Again. --- Is property rights in form of other humans that what you look for in that rising?

You really don't realize how totally foolish you look posting such tripe, do you?

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Thank God you are just a damn nut case and not representative of the South.

ROFLMAO!

I've noticed when someone cannot logically refute an argument, they resort to adhomenm attacks.

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Journal of the Senate of the United States of America, 1789-1873
SATURDAY, March 2, 1861.
Page 379

• Article 6. No future amendment of the Constitution shall affect the five preceding articles, nor the third paragraph of the second section of the first article of the Constitution, nor the third paragraph of the second section of the fourth article of said Constitution, and no amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress any power to abolish or interfere with slavery in any of the States by whose laws it is or may be allowed or permitted.

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It's a pity you can't overcome your emoting, liberal mindset as well as your your public education indoctrination and get past the 'slavery is eeeevil' issue long enough to realize that the Civil War was the first step to stripping the States of their legitimate authority and to consolidate power in the federal government.

As the rights of the States went, so did the rights of the People, and the federal government, lacking both the legitimate authority as well as the legal ability to free the slaves, merely enslaved us all.

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U.S. v. Rhodes, 27 Federal Cases 785, 794:
"The amendment [fourteenth] reversed and annulled the original policy of the constitution"

[Non-Sequitur]

Should Davis be found not guilty by reason that secession was not unconstitutional, could you imagine the outcome?

Considering one of the judges who would have tried the case, John Underwood, was a die-hard Union supporter and the other judge who would have tried the case, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, would later write the majority opinion in the Texas v. White decision ruling the Southern acts of unilateral secession unconstitutional, I believe the chances of a Davis trial being dismissed on the those grounds hovered between zilch point squat and none. Also, the Davis trial would have been a criminal trial. Criminal trials do not decide what is Constituional and what is not. Only the Supreme Court can do that.

Since the trial would have been held in Virginia there was a very real fear that some people on the jury would not have voted guilty under any circumstances. But I believe that a jury could have been found who would have convicted. Jury packing is not a 21st Century discovery.

[Non-Sequitur]

I watched a documentary on a northern prison camp from the civil war. What they did to the southern troops was dispicible.

I've seen documentaries of Southern POW camps. It wasn't any better. Neither side can claim any honor in the way they treated their prisoners. Both sides ran death camps.

[mad_as_he$$]

Well I would be surprised to see two "Confederate Flags" flying on trucks any where. Haven't actually seen one in years. Now if the author and you are talking about "Confederate BATTLE Flag", I am looking at one in my office as I type. It is next to the Federal Flag of the United States of America, the Union Jack, the Don't Tread on Me Flag, the Nevada Battle Born flag and POW-MIA flag. I honor the CBF for the brave men who fought under it for a principle they believed in - which by the way was NOT slavery - it was states rights.

This has been chewed on endlessly on FR but I am always obliged to post once on such foolish threads in the hope someone will actually do some research and change their mind.

The South will rise again, in principle, it is my hope that it is not too late.

[meyer]

Well ain't that special - a lawyer wanting to limit the first amendment rights of those with whom he disagrees.

Unfortunately, given our government's mindset concerning illegal immigrants, the phrase "the South shall rise again" takes on a whole new meaning.

[no dems]

Bwwwaaaaahhhhh!!!! The Confederate flag has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with heritage. When I was in high school, our fight song was “Dixie” and there was nothing racist about us.

Some people just need to get a life.

[HEY4QDEMS]

This is why I think you have trouble with American English.

I suppose that would be true if you are talking about backwoods racist redneck inbred uneducated American English suitable for banjo lyrics.

[Polybius]

Re 39 - who is in the picture and when was it taken?

The particular veterans are unidentified to me.

The time was July, 1913 and the place was the town of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania at the 50th Anniversary Gettysburg Reunion when 54,000 Union and Confederate veterans reunited.

The Great Camp, 1913, covering 280 acres.

Philadelphia Brigade Association and Pickett's Division Association, reuniting at the stone wall of the Angle.

Field of Pickett's Charge

The tone that characterizes Free Republic Civil War threads is much more akin to the 1861 tone of the fire-eating politicians that started the war than to the 1913 tone of the Civil War veterans that actually fought the war.

[Non-Sequitur]

I don’t even remember who it was but he said in his story that the southern army was so lacking food that they couldn’t even feed their own troops and they did the best they could to feed their POW’s .

Nonsense. The confederate mistreatment of federal POWs was as deliberate and as criminal as the federal treatment of rebel POWs was. Andersonville was deep in Georgia, an area untouched by the war when it was built. It was a rich and fertile area, providing food for much of the South. The confederates had sufficient transportation to get the POWs to Andersonville so they had transportation to get food there, too. If they had wanted to. They didn't, and tens of thousands died.

[Tokra]

You are proving our point, but you don’t know enough about the South to understand it.

And likewise - you don't know enough about me to know where I'm coming from. Like the fact that my grandparents were from the South and I lived in the South for many years.

Maybe you don't know enough about the North to understand it - like the fact that the North is NOT just the large metropolitan areas. We have more farms in Michigan than any of the Southern States.

Take a close look at the election results from the so-called "liberal" states and just see how close many of those elections were. More Michigan residents voted for George Bush than residents of Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, or Virginia. Florida & Texas were the only Southern states to cast more votes for Bush than Michigan did.

Just as all Southerners are not gap-toothed, cousin-marrying rednecks - all Northerners are not gun-grabbing, tree-hugging liberals.

[WhiteSox1837]

I would like to drop you and your flag off in front of the Henry Horner Homes Housing Project on the cities west side and let them decide if your flag is a symbol of racism, hatred, and opression...